Piratis wrote:lovernomore wrote:Piratis wrote:lovernomore wrote:Piratis wrote:Bananiot wrote:Yes Piratis and the Turkish Cypriots would democratically be citizens of another nation today, for one man one vote for you has been reduced to a tool of subversion of the minority to the majority. You have absolutely no idea how this world is run and your infant rantlings that we were dealt a bad hand by the world's powers because they did not giving us the choice to decide on our future shows clearly that you hardly understand the mechanics of world politics. Your naive idea that the world turns around on the axis of the global values of virtue, morality and principles is made worst by our ground record which shows that the majority which we were for 3 years between 1960-1963, saw us taking sick people from hospital beds and execute them. Of course you will tell me that we murdered 100's rather than the 1000's of us murdered by the Turks, Ottomans etc, but this is your predicament.
Perhaps you can now put some names on the murderers, since by now you have come to admit that we soiled our hands with innocent blood. Can you do this for us? Who did the killings and for what reason?
The reason was that in Cyprus a true democracy, and many other freedoms were not allowed and what we had was an anomalous situation, not a normal democratic country. If something similar or even worst is forced again, then the result will be again the same: more bloodshed and problems.
If what you are trying to say is that we are no angels, of course we are not. We are normal people. Turks killed 1000s of us, and we killed some 100s of them. If it was the case that only them were killing us, and we never retaliated, it would mean that we are Angels - each one of us a Jesus Christ - sorry to disappoint you, but we are not.
We know from our history and from the history of other countries what is right and what is wrong, and what works and what doesn't. Many countries passed from civil wars, slavery, segregation and things far worst than what we had in Cyprus, and how they all solved most of their problems (those that solved them) was always in the same way: Democracy, equality of citizens and human rights. This is what works.
People are all the same. Only a racist would claim otherwise. What changes is the situation. Put people in an anomalous, undemocratic, Apartheid kind of situation and big problems and conflicts will arise. Put the people in a democratic environment were human rights are protected, and any problems (which will always exist) will be minimized.
It is peole like you and GR, Kurupetos and Kifeas who are traitors. You are doin everything in you power to not bring a peaceful soution to the island. All you say is "balanse of power" and blah blah blah. This is not in the best interst of Cyprus or Cypriots. For me that make youa traiotor.
lovernomore, I hope you noticed that I usually ignore your nonsense. What you wrote is not even remotely related with anything that I said above.
In any case, what I will tell you is that peace is not the most important thing. If that was the case then nobody would fight against the Nazis, the fascists, against slavery and against foreign invaders. There are many things that worth fighting for, and this is what we do.
We don't want just a "peaceful solution", we want a just solution that will bring to Cyprus democracy and human rights and equality among people, and these are the things which will also bring a long lasting peace, as opposed to some fragile peace deal that will be based on ethnic cleansing and human rights violations, and which will sooner than later collapse.
Piratis, I ignore your posts also because you see one you see all. Same shit different day.
Anyway, how old are you? You talk Cyprus democracy, human rights add equality, can I please ask you if you are old enougf do you remeber if these was practiced on the TC comminity back in 1960?
I was born long after 1960, but all we have to do is to read the 1960 constitution to realize that a true democracy, one person one vote, was not allowed in Cyprus. Not even that, but the people were divided based on their ethnic background. GCs voted for president, TCs for vice president. This way the president was the leader of GCs and the vice president the leader of TCs, and we didn't have any leaders of Cypriots as a whole.
In fact even the "independence" given to Cyprus was crippled, and every serious analyst that refers to what was given to Cyprus back then calls it as "partial" or "semi" independence.
As I said earlier, in 1960 we were given something which was anomalous, undemocratic, and abnormal, and the problems that came out of that were inevitable.
What Cyprus needed then, and what needs now, since we all agreed that Cyprus will be an independent country, is a true independence and a true democracy, just like in every other normal democratic country.
Thank you for takin time to explain to me nicely Piratis. I apreciate and understan your consurns. Tjhis style of posting much beter and I dont feel I want to call you Robot. I wish you write like this always.
