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[miltiades]

Guantanamo Bay must rank us one of our more darkest moments of madness.

How did a man like Bush, openly evil, live amongst us for these 8 years and be allowed to exercise such devilish power over us all, that we failed to reverse his misdeeds? .... until his term was simply over!

We failed ....

Absolute balderdash as expected !
What is it with "we" , he was the legally elected President of the greatest nation on earth. He responded according to his advisers and Guantanamo bay was used to house mostly Jihadis , the few innocents that were incarcerated was a mistake but the majority were Jihadis out to cause mayhem to innocent men women and children. They supported , as you no doubt do , the indiscriminate , premeditated murder of civilians from Bali to New York , Madrid to London anywhere that these savages could cause massive amount of death and destruction. Guantanamo Bay should never have existed , these suspects should have been brought to Justice in the USA and if guilty executed.

So you agree they should have been tried by the usual channels instead of this macabre, archaic concentration camp set up. Good!

And you also agree that it was premeditated if not by Bush, then by his advisers ... therefore as good as!

So what part of my statement is now "Absolute balderdash?

Well ... all of it ie """Guantanamo Bay must rank us one of our more darkest moments of madness ""
This in itself is nonsense. Following 9/11 and the invasion of Afghanistan , a well known breeding ground for Jihadis whose only goal was and still is the destruction of the West and the imposition by force of their sick and perverted ideology , action had to be taken to protect the free world , it most ceratinly was not what you describe .

As for this "How did a man like Bush, openly evil, live amongst us for these 8 years and be allowed to exercise such devilish power over us all, that we failed to reverse his misdeeds? .... until his term was simply over!"""
Openly evil according to you and of course GR but not according to the people who voted for him in two freely contacted democratic elections, so did they all vote for the devil ?
You have joined the bandwagon of America haters and have subdued to pressure to join in . You are hopelessly wrong here just as your wrong on issues far more closer to home ie the Cyprob .
....RESPECTFULLY YOURS
GEORGE W BUSH

[Paphitis]

Miltiades wrote:

Well ... all of it ie """Guantanamo Bay must rank us one of our more darkest moments of madness ""
This in itself is nonsense. Following 9/11 and the invasion of Afghanistan , a well known breeding ground for Jihadis whose only goal was and still is the destruction of the West and the imposition by force of their sick and perverted ideology , action had to be taken to protect the free world , it most ceratinly was not what you describe .

But you agreed with one of my earlier posts that insinuated America's violation of human rights by incarcerating suspected terrorists for years without proper trial.

This is what Oracle said and later you contradicted yourself by agreeing to my posts which was effectively expressing the same opinion as Oracle.

You seem to be all over the place and not making much sense.

[miltiades]

Miltiades wrote:

Well ... all of it ie """Guantanamo Bay must rank us one of our more darkest moments of madness ""
This in itself is nonsense. Following 9/11 and the invasion of Afghanistan , a well known breeding ground for Jihadis whose only goal was and still is the destruction of the West and the imposition by force of their sick and perverted ideology , action had to be taken to protect the free world , it most certainly was not what you describe .

But you agreed with one of my earlier posts that insinuated America's violation of human rights by incarcerating suspected terrorists for years without proper trial.

This is what Oracle said and later you contradicted yourself by agreeing to my posts which was effectively expressing the same opinion as Oracle.

You seem to be all over the place and not making much sense.

You are back to your old self mate. I agreed with you that the detainees should have been taken to the USA and dealt with by the law , if found guilty they should be executed.
Where exactly do you see me all over the place ?
This is what you said "But you agreed with one of my earlier posts that insinuated America's violation of human rights by incarcerating suspected terrorists for years without proper trial.""
Did you insinuate that these detainees if found guilty should be executed ?
Did you insinuate that America had violated the detainees human rights and that I agreed with you ? Where mate , point me to where exactly , or are your "insinuations" just that insinuations like most of the other crap you posted about me.

[bill cobbett]

Detention without trial, degrading conditions, psychological torture and secret renditions, all absolutely intolerable by any standards of decent behaviour.

The whole appalling affair was also self-defeating in that it fueled the fires of reaction and radicalism amongst the impressionable and you didn't need to be terribly impressionable to have reacted to this human rights denying torture camp.

[Oracle]

.. You seem to be all over the place and not making much sense.

That pretty much sums up Miltiades!

[miltiades]

Lets see who this released prisorer is.
Benyam Mohammed
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Binyam Ahmed Mohamed

Born: July 24, 1978(1978-07-24)
Ethiopia
Detained at: Guantanamo (-2009)
Alias(s): Benjamin Mohammed,
Benyam (Ahmed) Mohammed,
Benyam Mohammed al-Habashi
Status Charged before a Guantanamo military commission; although the charges were later dropped, his detention continued
Binyam Ahmed Mohamed (Arabic: بنيام محمد‎) (also described as Benjamin Mohammed, Benyam (Ahmed) Mohammed and Benyam Mohammed al-Habashi) (born 24 July 1978) is an Ethiopian national who by his own admission trained in the Al-Qaeda terrorist training camp Al Farouq, and was subsequently detained in Guantanamo Bay prison. He was captured and transported under the US extraordinary rendition program. After charges against him were dropped, he was eventually released and arrived back in the UK on 23rd February 2009. Mohamed has maintained that the only evidence against him was obtained using torture.[1]

He was a Christian who became a muslim and by all accounts a radical one . Let us read further :

In 1994, Mohamed sought asylum in the UK.

In June 2001, Mohamed travelled to Afghanistan. The reasons for the trip are in dispute. UK and U.S. authorities contend, and Mohamed admitted, to receiving paramilitary training in the al Farouq training camp.[3] Mohamed's supporters contend that he had gone to conquer his drug problems and to see Muslim countries "with his own eyes".[4] After 9/11, he went to Pakistan.

On April 10, 2002, Mohamed was arrested at the Karachi airport - while attempting to fly to the UK - by Pakistani authorities as a suspected terrorist. Mohamed contends that he was a subject of the United States extraordinary rendition policy, and entered a "ghost prison system" run by US and UK intelligence agents.[5]

[CopperLine]

Militiades,
Your last post was laughable. In trying to find out something about Binyamin Mohamed you turn to wikipedia when you could have turned to the court papers, the military court papers, the UK govt papers, the US auithorities papers, let alone the papers issued by his lawyers, defence counsel etc.

Virtually no-one thinks now that his detention was (a) legitimate or (b) useful .... except, it seems, Militiades.

[Oracle]

Hmmm in an effort to focus ... Miltiades resorts to Trial by Wikipedia!

[miltiades]

Militiades,
Your last post was laughable. In trying to find out something about Binyamin Mohamed you turn to wikipedia when you could have turned to the court papers, the military court papers, the UK govt papers, the US auithorities papers, let alone the papers issued by his lawyers, defence counsel etc.

Virtually no-one thinks now that his detention was (a) legitimate or (b) useful .... except, it seems, Militiades.

I never presumed that his detention was either legal or illegal. I'm merely pointing out that this young man arrived in the UK seeking asylum , he converted to Islam and proceeded to take part in training camps , on his own admission , run by Al Qaeda. The Pakistani authorities suspected an involvement and arrested him. I'm merely pointing out some facts .
As far as his lawyers are concerned what on earth do you expect them to state.
Laughable in which sense , that the guy became radicalized whilst in Britain and travelled to Pakistan in order to receive training ?
You can fool the entire world Copperline into believing that a totaly innocent guy found himself under arrest but you cant fool me.
ps. Can any one explain why a convert to Islam participates in warfare training provided by sworn enemies of the West dedicated to the destruction of Western world culture.
Yes the guy was never proven guilty , charges were dropped but I cant help thinking what on earth prompted this guy to seek military training provided by a terrorist organization, perhaps you can answer this mate.

[miltiades]

Hmmm in an effort to focus ... Miltiades resorts to Trial by Wikipedia!

I refer you to the answer I gave Copperline .