Omer Seyhan wrote:insan wrote:Omer Seyhan wrote:insan wrote:Omer Seyhan wrote:It makes no difference if its Eroglu, Cakici or Soyer or Denktash junior.... Ankara will dictate to its subordinate regime what solution it wants, when and how.
Its actually a good thing UBP being in power. Why? Because it will be easier to secure a YES vote in the referenda if the govt (which will be UBP) is backing it.
Omer; regarding the Cyprus problem, what divergence of opinion has been between TC and Turkish governments since mid 50s? Do u think TCs don't need political support of Turkish governments for a solution based on TC thesis? GC leadership ask political support of not only Greece but Russia, China, Serbia etc.; what's wrong with TC leadership askin Turkey's political support under the circumstances of last 50 years? Why do u call TC-Turkey relations as dictation of Turkey upon TCs? Weird indeed.
Gardash, they dont ask, they are directed by Ankara. If a T/C party came to power tomorrow with a different agenda to Ankara, then within 1 month, they'd U-turn on every policy. I guarantee you. This is what happened with CTP when it first came to power. Later CTP became a good Yalaka party.
Its power politics Insan, thats all. We have a saying in Turkish do we not: Parayı veren düdüğü çalar (who ever gives the money plays the tune...)
Gardash, when there's no divergence of opinion between TC leadership and Turkish governments, would there anything to be dictate? Whoever gives the money plays the tune is something valid for the relations between individuals not between Turkey and TCs.
The matter here is, we TCs asked the support of Turkey for our own interests in Cyprus. TCs had/have no any other alternatives to expect support. TCs have interests on Turkey. Turkey too has interests on Cyprus just like Greece, EU, US and Russia have. Turkey has interests on Russia too; and Russia has interests on Turkey too. Actually, GC should have interests on Turkey too but the historical animosity and Turcophobia; plus some internal developments in Turkey don't let them accept Turkey as a friendly country in the region and collaborate with her in various fields.
Do u reckon that have TCs not got financial support of Turkey, they would have accepted minority status and GC rule in Cyprus?
T/Cs did not want minority status in the RoC, yes - however it was not all the fault of the G/Cs, was it? Did TMT and Turkey not have a role? Did they not use threats, murder to force T/Cs to stop mixing with the "Gavurs"? (offensive term for Greeks)
Turkey arrived in 1974, but what it did was not a peace operation, and after it treated the T/Cs worse than its own minority. Turkey shipped in voters to make sure T/Cs never ever had a chance to elect their own party, they created the TRNC even though T/Cs did not want it or ask for it, they shipped in settlers that are now more than T/Cs and T/Cs face cultural assimilation; we have lost our vernacular. Turkey indeed gives money but it gives so many conditions too.
You were not saved by Turkey; you became her bitch.
It is true that under the circumstances of cold-war era and with a racist hatred TMT leadership and some fascist minded TMT members committed such crimes. However it is completely related with the dominant ideologly of TMT leadership that was far-right and right-wing dominated and the circumstances. It was also related with eductaional levels of TMT members and should not be confused with right-wing, left-wing clashes of the cold war era. Even had there been 2 seperate states on Cyprus, left-wing/right-wing clashes would still have occured on both sides of the island just like it had been taking place almost all around the world. What's the difference of a TMT man calling a TC leftist as "leftist dog" with calling a GC as "Greek dog" or "gavur"? Not much, eh? Even almost same.
What Turkey did in 1974 was a peace operation. Here again, u should not confuse what Turkey did with what some influential, strong political right wing groups of Turkey did with cooperation of TC right wing.
Ömer, I recommend to u to do a very comprehensive research regarding the gradual arrival of settlers. I'm sure that u will catch the perfect corrolation between the arrival of settlers and the circumstances of North. We, TCs needed them.
Had there been no settlers in North, not even 10.000 TCs would have remained in North.
Omer, 2+2=4. Under economic embargoes and TC bearing the frustration and heavy disappointment of the past 20-30 years on their shoulders, needed a helping hand of Turkish farmers both as a labour force in agricultural fields and a consuming population. Exploitation of their political will is a completely different issue and it happens in every less developed country or society. It's completely realted with the literacy of people.
I have no problems with Hellenic values of ancient Greeks either.
