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[Omer Seyhan]

It makes no difference if its Eroglu, Cakici or Soyer or Denktash junior.... Ankara will dictate to its subordinate regime what solution it wants, when and how.

Its actually a good thing UBP being in power. Why? Because it will be easier to secure a YES vote in the referenda if the govt (which will be UBP) is backing it.

Omer; regarding the Cyprus problem, what divergence of opinion has been between TC and Turkish governments since mid 50s? Do u think TCs don't need political support of Turkish governments for a solution based on TC thesis? GC leadership ask political support of not only Greece but Russia, China, Serbia etc.; what's wrong with TC leadership askin Turkey's political support under the circumstances of last 50 years? Why do u call TC-Turkey relations as dictation of Turkey upon TCs? Weird indeed.

Insan, wake up!!! You do not ask for political support from Turkey! Turkey is your government! You have no saying in anything! Turkey decides for you! You are hopeless!

I agree with Kifeas. Bravosou Kifeas. I wish more T/Cs understood this. Perhaps then we as Cypriots could play this game better.

Turkey has control in every single area of north Cyprus life at EVERY SINGLE LEVEL.

Do not under estimate Turkey.

Ankara has so many opinion polls and surveys carried out every day by its people. The Turkish Embassy in Nicosia has a file on every single TRNC citizenship. They are like the East German Stasi Secret Police; they knew everything and especially who would win three months ago and so they plan accordingly. A large number of secret police and informants guard Turkey's occupied area.

However, lets not be negative, in this Stat German style set up, it could be or it looks like Turkey wants a YES vote. Therefore an UBP victory (supported by Turkey) might not be a bad thing.
It might be planned by Turkey who now wants a solution so it can influence the talks more to get itself a good deal for itself. And so there is no Cyprus obstacle for Turkey in December so it can get closer to joining the EU.

One thing I am certain of Insan is that this election has nothing to do with the representation and well-being of the T/Cs alone. The TRNC authorities at any one time are a cohabitation of interests; Turkey's interests primarily and those T/C interests that happen to be aligned with Turkey; the rest forget it.

[Omer Seyhan]

It makes no difference if its Eroglu, Cakici or Soyer or Denktash junior.... Ankara will dictate to its subordinate regime what solution it wants, when and how.

Its actually a good thing UBP being in power. Why? Because it will be easier to secure a YES vote in the referenda if the govt (which will be UBP) is backing it.

Omer, do you seriously believe that the GCs will ever accept the Ergenekon gangsters and the Turkish deep state (any Turkey) to become our government? This will never happen my friend! The status quo will unfortunately continue indefinitely, and turkey's EU accession will be frozen too, no matter how the Americans will be screaming and kicking off!

The world is full of gangsters, including Cyprus on both sides of the Green Line.

[insan]

It makes no difference if its Eroglu, Cakici or Soyer or Denktash junior.... Ankara will dictate to its subordinate regime what solution it wants, when and how.

Its actually a good thing UBP being in power. Why? Because it will be easier to secure a YES vote in the referenda if the govt (which will be UBP) is backing it.

Omer; regarding the Cyprus problem, what divergence of opinion has been between TC and Turkish governments since mid 50s? Do u think TCs don't need political support of Turkish governments for a solution based on TC thesis? GC leadership ask political support of not only Greece but Russia, China, Serbia etc.; what's wrong with TC leadership askin Turkey's political support under the circumstances of last 50 years? Why do u call TC-Turkey relations as dictation of Turkey upon TCs? Weird indeed.

Gardash, they dont ask, they are directed by Ankara. If a T/C party came to power tomorrow with a different agenda to Ankara, then within 1 month, they'd U-turn on every policy. I guarantee you. This is what happened with CTP when it first came to power. Later CTP became a good Yalaka party.

Its power politics Insan, thats all. We have a saying in Turkish do we not: Parayı veren düdüğü çalar (who ever gives the money plays the tune...)

Gardash, when there's no divergence of opinion between TC leadership and Turkish governments, would there anything to be dictate? Whoever gives the money plays the tune is something valid for the relations between individuals not between Turkey and TCs.

The matter here is, we TCs asked the support of Turkey for our own interests in Cyprus. TCs had/have no any other alternatives to expect support. TCs have interests on Turkey. Turkey too has interests on Cyprus just like Greece, EU, US and Russia have. Turkey has interests on Russia too; and Russia has interests on Turkey too. Actually, GC should have interests on Turkey too but the historical animosity and Turcophobia; plus some internal developments in Turkey don't let them accept Turkey as a friendly country in the region and collaborate with her in various fields.

Do u reckon that have TCs not got financial support of Turkey, they would have accepted minority status and GC rule in Cyprus?

[Omer Seyhan]

It makes no difference if its Eroglu, Cakici or Soyer or Denktash junior.... Ankara will dictate to its subordinate regime what solution it wants, when and how.

Its actually a good thing UBP being in power. Why? Because it will be easier to secure a YES vote in the referenda if the govt (which will be UBP) is backing it.

Omer; regarding the Cyprus problem, what divergence of opinion has been between TC and Turkish governments since mid 50s? Do u think TCs don't need political support of Turkish governments for a solution based on TC thesis? GC leadership ask political support of not only Greece but Russia, China, Serbia etc.; what's wrong with TC leadership askin Turkey's political support under the circumstances of last 50 years? Why do u call TC-Turkey relations as dictation of Turkey upon TCs? Weird indeed.

Insan, wake up!!! You do not ask for political support from Turkey! Turkey is your government! You have no saying in anything! Turkey decides for you! You are hopeless!

Whatever u assume from a distance; GCs and Greeks like u, can't know it better than me. Turkish governments and TC ruling class have always been in full cooperation in order to reach a solution based on TC solution thesis.

The T/C 'ruling class' or as I prefer to call them Yalaka was created by Turkey. When Denktash thought independently of Ankara, they toppled their own man and replaced him with CTP (the left). Then they replaced CTP with UBP. They paid money to Turgay Avci to set up ORP then they ditched him too. There is no T/C ruling class Insan. We are pawns in this game of power politics.

T/Cs dont have a lot of room to move... They can only support the process and hope to represent themselves once Cyprus is a federal Republic. But they can never be allowed to represent themselves under Turkey. Its too risky for Turkey to allow "Rum/Ingiliz Piciler" (Greek / English B**#$) like us to decide on a solution that might jeopardise Ankara's national interests.

[Oracle]

.... TC ruling class ....

U went berserk one more time when faced realities? It opposes with ur little dream world and assumptions?

"Ruling class", insan!

Man (?), you are such an old fashioned, Imperialist fascist I can't help laughing at your stone-age politics

[Omer Seyhan]

It makes no difference if its Eroglu, Cakici or Soyer or Denktash junior.... Ankara will dictate to its subordinate regime what solution it wants, when and how.

Its actually a good thing UBP being in power. Why? Because it will be easier to secure a YES vote in the referenda if the govt (which will be UBP) is backing it.

Omer; regarding the Cyprus problem, what divergence of opinion has been between TC and Turkish governments since mid 50s? Do u think TCs don't need political support of Turkish governments for a solution based on TC thesis? GC leadership ask political support of not only Greece but Russia, China, Serbia etc.; what's wrong with TC leadership askin Turkey's political support under the circumstances of last 50 years? Why do u call TC-Turkey relations as dictation of Turkey upon TCs? Weird indeed.

Gardash, they dont ask, they are directed by Ankara. If a T/C party came to power tomorrow with a different agenda to Ankara, then within 1 month, they'd U-turn on every policy. I guarantee you. This is what happened with CTP when it first came to power. Later CTP became a good Yalaka party.

Its power politics Insan, thats all. We have a saying in Turkish do we not: Parayı veren düdüğü çalar (who ever gives the money plays the tune...)

Gardash, when there's no divergence of opinion between TC leadership and Turkish governments, would there anything to be dictate? Whoever gives the money plays the tune is something valid for the relations between individuals not between Turkey and TCs.

The matter here is, we TCs asked the support of Turkey for our own interests in Cyprus. TCs had/have no any other alternatives to expect support. TCs have interests on Turkey. Turkey too has interests on Cyprus just like Greece, EU, US and Russia have. Turkey has interests on Russia too; and Russia has interests on Turkey too. Actually, GC should have interests on Turkey too but the historical animosity and Turcophobia; plus some internal developments in Turkey don't let them accept Turkey as a friendly country in the region and collaborate with her in various fields.

Do u reckon that have TCs not got financial support of Turkey, they would have accepted minority status and GC rule in Cyprus?

T/Cs did not want minority status in the RoC, yes - however it was not all the fault of the G/Cs, was it? Did TMT and Turkey not have a role? Did they not use threats, murder to force T/Cs to stop mixing with the "Gavurs"? (offensive term for Greeks)

Turkey arrived in 1974, but what it did was not a peace operation, and after it treated the T/Cs worse than its own minority. Turkey shipped in voters to make sure T/Cs never ever had a chance to elect their own party, they created the TRNC even though T/Cs did not want it or ask for it, they shipped in settlers that are now more than T/Cs and T/Cs face cultural assimilation; we have lost our vernacular. Turkey indeed gives money but it gives so many conditions too.

You were not saved by Turkey; you became her bitch.

[Kifeas]

It makes no difference if its Eroglu, Cakici or Soyer or Denktash junior.... Ankara will dictate to its subordinate regime what solution it wants, when and how.

Its actually a good thing UBP being in power. Why? Because it will be easier to secure a YES vote in the referenda if the govt (which will be UBP) is backing it.

Omer; regarding the Cyprus problem, what divergence of opinion has been between TC and Turkish governments since mid 50s? Do u think TCs don't need political support of Turkish governments for a solution based on TC thesis? GC leadership ask political support of not only Greece but Russia, China, Serbia etc.; what's wrong with TC leadership askin Turkey's political support under the circumstances of last 50 years? Why do u call TC-Turkey relations as dictation of Turkey upon TCs? Weird indeed.

Insan, wake up!!! You do not ask for political support from Turkey! Turkey is your government! You have no saying in anything! Turkey decides for you! You are hopeless!

Whatever u assume from a distance; GCs and Greeks like u, can't know it better than me. Turkish governments and TC ruling class have always been in full cooperation in order to reach a solution based on TC solution thesis.

The T/C 'ruling class' or as I prefer to call them Yalaka was created by Turkey. When Denktash thought independently of Ankara, they toppled their own man and replaced him with CTP (the left). Then they replaced CTP with UBP. They paid money to Turgay Avci to set up ORP then they ditched him too. There is no T/C ruling class Insan. We are pawns in this game of power politics.

T/Cs dont have a lot of room to move... They can only support the process and hope to represent themselves once Cyprus is a federal Republic. But they can never be allowed to represent themselves under Turkey. Its too risky for Turkey to allow "Rum/Ingiliz Piciler" (Greek / English B**#$) like us to decide on a solution that might jeopardise Ankara's national interests.

Omer, unless the settlers, who will always determine the will of the "TC" community, are repatriated, there cannot be a solution in Cyprus! The GCs will not put themselves under the occupation of Turkey though a power sharing solution in which the settlers will be deciding under Turkey’s guidance, likewise the TCs are now under Turkish occupation, both through the Turkish military and the votes of the settlers! This will never happen! We will not sacrifice our political and Cypriot national independence, in order to make Turkey our government through its colonizers /settlers in Cyprus! This is something every TC should burry deep in their head and mind, once they wake up from the deep sleep they are now! I am sure Eroglou, the Ergenekon boy, got 70%-80% of his votes from the settlers, and the rest from the nationalist TCs! Ergenekon will never become our government! Cyprus is an indepented, UN and EU member state. We cannot go back to the years of the Ottoman Empire and the Turkish rule and occupation!

[Omer Seyhan]

It makes no difference if its Eroglu, Cakici or Soyer or Denktash junior.... Ankara will dictate to its subordinate regime what solution it wants, when and how.

Its actually a good thing UBP being in power. Why? Because it will be easier to secure a YES vote in the referenda if the govt (which will be UBP) is backing it.

Omer; regarding the Cyprus problem, what divergence of opinion has been between TC and Turkish governments since mid 50s? Do u think TCs don't need political support of Turkish governments for a solution based on TC thesis? GC leadership ask political support of not only Greece but Russia, China, Serbia etc.; what's wrong with TC leadership askin Turkey's political support under the circumstances of last 50 years? Why do u call TC-Turkey relations as dictation of Turkey upon TCs? Weird indeed.

Insan, wake up!!! You do not ask for political support from Turkey! Turkey is your government! You have no saying in anything! Turkey decides for you! You are hopeless!

Whatever u assume from a distance; GCs and Greeks like u, can't know it better than me. Turkish governments and TC ruling class have always been in full cooperation in order to reach a solution based on TC solution thesis.

The T/C 'ruling class' or as I prefer to call them Yalaka was created by Turkey. When Denktash thought independently of Ankara, they toppled their own man and replaced him with CTP (the left). Then they replaced CTP with UBP. They paid money to Turgay Avci to set up ORP then they ditched him too. There is no T/C ruling class Insan. We are pawns in this game of power politics.

T/Cs dont have a lot of room to move... They can only support the process and hope to represent themselves once Cyprus is a federal Republic. But they can never be allowed to represent themselves under Turkey. Its too risky for Turkey to allow "Rum/Ingiliz Piciler" (Greek / English B**#$) like us to decide on a solution that might jeopardise Ankara's national interests.

Omer, unless the settlers, who will always determine the will of the "TC" community, are repatriated, there cannot be a solution in Cyprus! The GCs will not put themselves under the occupation of Turkey though a power sharing solution in which the settlers will be deciding under Turkey’s guidance, likewise the TCs are now under Turkish occupation, both through the Turkish military and the votes of the settlers! This will never happen! We will no sacrifice our political and Cypriot national independence, in order to make Turkey our government through its colonizers /settlers in Cyprus! This is something every TC should burry deep in their head and mind! Eroglou, the Ergenekon boy, got 70-80% of his votes from the settlers, and the rest from the nationalist TCs!

T/Cs in Cyprus always say Biz yerli insanlar" - We Natives... those settlers... It is becoming very common and some might argue it is racist but this reflects the gravity of the situation. T/Cs are fed up of never being able to elect their own parties. There is real tension there. This outside interference shows tremendous disrespect and is an insult to our community....

So much so that parties like YKP now boycott these elections...

However, as I said before, this is a mess, Ankara created this mess in the north and only they can get us out of it. If getting us out involves using settlers and manipulating voters and changing / swapping alliances and persuading UBP to change its entire manifesto (Left and Right politics means nothing in north Cyprus) to now suddenly support a settlement etc etc then let them get on with it.
We are just observers. As long as they continue towards a solution. After a solution, all the dirty business will be revealed.

[insan]

.... TC ruling class ....

U went berserk one more time when faced realities? It opposes with ur little dream world and assumptions?

"Ruling class", insan!

Man (?), you are such an old fashioned, Imperialist fascist I can't help laughing at your stone-age politics

TC ruling class stands for all TCs that have influence on governing TC people and make policies to satisfy TC people. Ur little brain is not even capable to comprehend such an easy expression because according to u TCs r nothing but little parasites in ur little dream world; an imaginery place that is full of hatred towards anything realted Turkish.

[Omer Seyhan]

.... TC ruling class ....

U went berserk one more time when faced realities? It opposes with ur little dream world and assumptions?

"Ruling class", insan!

Man (?), you are such an old fashioned, Imperialist fascist I can't help laughing at your stone-age politics

TC ruling class stands for all TCs that have influence on governing TC people and make policies to satisfy TC people. Ur little brain is not even capable to comprehend such an easy expression because according to u TCs r nothing but little parasites in ur little dream world; an imaginery place that is full of hatred towards anything realted Turkish.

Interesting... so you've moved away from a "ruling class that governs" to a ruling class that 'influences.' You get my point don't you? Go on admit it...

T/C politicians in the TRNC 'government' at the very best can only influence Turkish directives handed down to them; they have no real power as CTP found out and as UBP knows only too well.

We really do live in 10 Mersin Turkey! Believe it gardash!