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[Kikapu]

Kickapu you are being a little too dramatic. You should try writing a book or two. I am sure they will be part of the agreement, and either they will be able to by the land off the owner or sell the building to the owner. You are making a big issue of this when it is a very small part of the problem.

Really.!

If they are lucky, they will avoid jail time and walk away, but their money will be long gone. I only want projection for those TC's who were forced by Denktash to accept GC land as an "exchange" for theirs in the south, since these are the innocent TC's and not for those who indulged in Haram Money in dealing in stolen GC properties, because it is these people by and large who did not want peace for the last 30+ years, or even now, because they got used to that Haram Money.!

There are also those who refused to give up their land for GC land in the north and stuck it out until an agreement.
Let us not forget them.

Thanks for saying that, and you are absolutely right, which my mother is one of them. She could have very easily taken stolen GC land, but she did not. But I also respect other TC's who were forced to take stolen GC land as an "exchange" for theirs in the south they left behind, because Denktash in his one of many corrupted ways, convinced the TC's that the Cyprus Problem was over back in 1974, and that the north was now all TC land and that the north was also their new country. This was music to all the NeoPartitionist, the Fascist and all the GC haters ears. All they had to do was to wait couple of years for the north to become recognised, and the dream of the promise land would be finally realised.! Yes indeed, Denktash had his own movie script all written up, and the likes of VP, Zan and all the other NeoPartitionist on this forum would like to see the finished version of Denktash's warped dream.!

[YFred]

Kickapu you are being a little too dramatic. You should try writing a book or two. I am sure they will be part of the agreement, and either they will be able to by the land off the owner or sell the building to the owner. You are making a big issue of this when it is a very small part of the problem.

Really.!

If they are lucky, they will avoid jail time and walk away, but their money will be long gone. I only want projection for those TC's who were forced by Denktash to accept GC land as an "exchange" for theirs in the south, since these are the innocent TC's and not for those who indulged in Haram Money in dealing in stolen GC properties, because it is these people by and large who did not want peace for the last 30+ years, or even now, because they got used to that Haram Money.!

There are also those who refused to give up their land for GC land in the north and stuck it out until an agreement.
Let us not forget them.

Thanks for saying that, and you are absolutely right, which my mother is one of them. She could have very easily taken stolen GC land, but she did not. But I also respect other TC's who were forced to take stolen GC land as an "exchange" for theirs in the south they left behind, because Denktash in his one of many corrupted ways, convinced the TC's that the Cyprus Problem was over back in 1974, and that the north was now all TC land and that the north was also their new country. This was music to all the NeoPartitionist, the Fascist and all the GC haters ears. All they had to do was to wait couple of years for the north to become recognised, and the dream of the promise land would be finally realised.! Yes indeed, Denktash had his own movie script all written up, and the likes of VP, Zan and all the other NeoPartitionist on this forum would like to see the finished version of Denktash's warped dream.!

My Father was another. Welcome to the club.

[Viewpoint]

So on the whole it wont make much difference if they have no assets abroad, cant wait to see the first arrest hopefully it will be when they are travelling to south Cyprus. Can you imagine the media frenzy??

I think on this point VP you are right,

Re the 'first arrest' I guess this wont happen until (if) there is a solution.
Unless it can be proved they have assets in an EU country in which case the police would be perfectly entitled to 'arrest' the person(s) if a warrant has been issued by a judge in an EU country. Be this in the ROC or any other EU country.

I also would like to be there to see the arrest so I could laugh in their faces.

As for a media frenzy ...To be honest I doubt this would warrant more than a couple of lines on the inside pages (outside of Cy that is)

With the financially well backed English lobby group in the TRNC the first arrest will be flashed allover the international media, mark my words I have met some of these Brits and they mean business they will not go down without a good fight. Can you see a GC policeman arresting a Brit as Ledra St...how long do you think they will keep them in prision and not allow them to return back to the TRNC?? cant wait for the back lash.

Er... VP when you speak of lobby groups vis-a-vis GB and CY, it's as well to remember that 1/3rd of all Cys live within a few miles of where this is being typed, here in London, England, so when it comes to lobby group pressure a few tens of thousand of Brits of Cy association here mean that your dealers in stolen lands won't have a chance. VP forgets that there is a big, big world outside the Tnct, don't you VP?

As for VP's "backlash", think of it as publicity, very bad publicity for the land-grabbing Tnct. By and large people outside the Tnct take a very dim view of dealing in stolen land.

oooh..methinks it's time for another wealth warning.....

WEALTH WARNING

IF YOU HAVE BOUGHT OR ARE CONSIDERING BUYING STOLEN LAND IN OCCUPIED CYPRUS, BE WARNED, YOU WILL HAVE TO RETURN THE PROPERTY TO RIGHTFUL OWNERS AND HAVE TO PAY THEM COMPENSATION.

We will see how things unfold, the publicity of GCs placing Brits in prision wont go down to well in the old UK, especially when people have over the last fews years come to understand and sympathise the TC side of the story especially after the rejection of the AP by the GCs. Dont forget the majority of tourists visiting South Cyprus are Brits....You also seem to forget than around 10.000 brits own homes in the TRNC they make a very strong lobby when threatened, one arrest and lets see the fireworks can the "RoC" risk it?.

[paliometoxo]

lets make a plan called anana plan 2 ( greek ) in this plan we say the land re unites turkey fs off back to turkey tcs can stay but the island is to be united with greece and when tcs say no to this plan we will use it against tcs every chance and say that was the last chance for solution, ur idiots for saying no to such plan

[Viewpoint]

So on the whole it wont make much difference if they have no assets abroad, cant wait to see the first arrest hopefully it will be when they are travelling to south Cyprus. Can you imagine the media frenzy??

I think on this point VP you are right,

Re the 'first arrest' I guess this wont happen until (if) there is a solution.
Unless it can be proved they have assets in an EU country in which case the police would be perfectly entitled to 'arrest' the person(s) if a warrant has been issued by a judge in an EU country. Be this in the ROC or any other EU country.

I also would like to be there to see the arrest so I could laugh in their faces.

As for a media frenzy ...To be honest I doubt this would warrant more than a couple of lines on the inside pages (outside of Cy that is)

With the financially well backed English lobby group in the TRNC the first arrest will be flashed allover the international media, mark my words I have met some of these Brits and they mean business they will not go down without a good fight. Can you see a GC policeman arresting a Brit as Ledra St...how long do you think they will keep them in prision and not allow them to return back to the TRNC?? cant wait for the back lash.

I guess we'll have to agree to differ

My view is that nobody outside of Cyprus or who does not have any ties with the Island really won't care a iota about this. (ask any Brit in the UK if they have heard of the Orams case....errrr no) I'm not belittling any one but thats the way it is ..... Will Turkey want the bad press and the implications this may bring...I don't think so. And if a solution is found they will not have any choice but to accept the ruling of the court.

And if (and I'm making presumptions here) an EU judge has issued a warrant for the arrest then there won't be much a lobby group can do.

And as I'm sure you're aware the GCs have very strong lobby groups also with probably greater financial backing.

The scenarios is the big bad Gc policeman arresting the unsuspecting Brit with kids prefreably for full effect even with the story exploding on the BBC will be enough to send bad reaction from the UK towards the GC south Cyprus. Just humour me Richard as I can picture the whole scene now with British Comsulate getting involved to free them from GC prision, could be the stuff for another feature film dont you think?

Or... The Brit getting arrested for illegally obtaining a stolen property despite warnings from the British Govt. ....The British high commission unable to do anything as judgement has been passed by a judge of the EU.

The usual sob stories from the Brit that they didnt know and that they were told lies by the Big Bad TC developer and that they are innocent.

They will be released on bail on condition they are not allowed to leave the country so no prison

Thier assets will be sold to compensate the original owner and as I said outside of immediate family and friends no one will give a toss because its their own stupid fault innit

Not much of a blockbuster there and the original owner is happy

You are not really appreciating the possiblities, Brit arrested with 2 kids crossing at Ledra St by big hairy GC policemen, placed in prision awaiting trial in fear that they will not return from the TRNC to face charges. Press merge on the "RoC" prison for full story only to find the woman has been sentenced to 5 years by "RoC" courts. British consulate gets involved to free prisoner uniting her with her children who have been put in care fora few hours a time.

Cant wait for the first arrest, do you think it will be one of the Orams?

No one abroad cares about why she was areested only that one of their own has been shut in prison by bloody foreigners, we sed to get this all the time when ı lived in the UK, the fact that he was smuggling heroine didnt matter the Brits only home in on if they are Brits they muct be innocent and the people arresting them are in the wrong.

[Viewpoint]

I still cant see what will change if there is no solution, can someone enlighten us? The Brit has purchased disputed land and has been put through the legal mill but has no assets out of the TRNC. What difference will these rulings make? and what will be the international backlash if a Brit is arrested.

Until there is a solution and if the Brits have no assets in a EU country then I would say you are probably right viewpoint.

If the person has assets within the EU then these can be confiscated and used to compensate the aggrieved party.

It would also mean that if the person returned to an EU country then they would be liable to arrest.

So either way if there is a settlement they will lose if not they will be unable to return or have any assets within the EU

I know I certainly wouldn't want to live under those constraints

I suppose it could open up a whole can of worms also regarding benificaries of their estate should there be a death

So on the whole it wont make much difference if they have no assets abroad, cant wait to see the first arrest hopefully it will be when they are travelling to south Cyprus. Can you imagine the media frenzy??

Really.? Many bought stolen GC property as an investment, which means most of them are not living in the north, but rather, living in the UK. The one's that are mostly living in the north on stolen property, are the Brits and they are well known who they are to the GC authorities, same with the ones living in the UK by the thousands. I have forgot to tell you who are the ones that bought stolen GC properties who are living in the UK who all have houses, bank accounts, jobs, businesses etc, are no other than Turkish Cypriots. Yes, it is these TC's that have gotten most of the stolen GC land and it is these people who will be facing the music in the UK when the GC owners come after them, since they do not live in the "trnc" to be protected by the same corrupt leaders who allowed these stolen properties to be sold off in the first place.

As for the Brits, few thousand only who are living in the north on stolen GC properties, they will get theirs (lose money) when they will have to walk away from their stolen properties in the north without getting a penny for it, since they do not have a proof of ever buying anything as you said, but there will be plenty of circumstantial evidence to prosecute them when a settlement is reached or if they are found in any part of the EU, even if they do not hold any FAKE land deeds. The facts are, they will not be able to sell those properties to anyone else now, therefore, they have already lost their investments. This should be a lesson to be learnt by others. When you deal in stolen property, you are also dealing with corrupted people. That's what you have gotten in the north by those who deal in stolen GC properties, which also includes the leaderships in the north. It is a "package deal" and not just corrupted individuals.

What makes you think it will be a media frenzy to punish receivers and sellers of stolen property. Do you not prosecute any one who deals in stolen property in the north VP, and when you do, does it become a media circus or what.? Just what is your point by giving these criminals false sense of security anyway.? Are you afraid they will do a runner on you in the north.? If so, why do you care.? You have already gotten their Haram Money, so if they leave, then they leave.!

When do you think we will be seeing the first arrests???

Who cares.! Just like a condemn man sent to the gallows, the day of reckoning will one day come all awhile they lose sleep every night waiting to be taken away from their cell, and one early cold morning, they will get that call, knowing that the time of reckoning has finally arrived.!

What's your rush.!

Would like to see your comments after this issue backfires in the GCs faces.

[Viewpoint]

So on the whole it wont make much difference if they have no assets abroad, cant wait to see the first arrest hopefully it will be when they are travelling to south Cyprus. Can you imagine the media frenzy??

I think on this point VP you are right,

Re the 'first arrest' I guess this wont happen until (if) there is a solution.
Unless it can be proved they have assets in an EU country in which case the police would be perfectly entitled to 'arrest' the person(s) if a warrant has been issued by a judge in an EU country. Be this in the ROC or any other EU country.

I also would like to be there to see the arrest so I could laugh in their faces.

As for a media frenzy ...To be honest I doubt this would warrant more than a couple of lines on the inside pages (outside of Cy that is)

With the financially well backed English lobby group in the TRNC the first arrest will be flashed allover the international media, mark my words I have met some of these Brits and they mean business they will not go down without a good fight. Can you see a GC policeman arresting a Brit as Ledra St...how long do you think they will keep them in prision and not allow them to return back to the TRNC?? cant wait for the back lash.

What are they going to do, VP, other than cry for their mummies.? The EU countries do not harbour criminals as you do in the "trnc". The EU countries live by the Rule of Law. You give too much credit to these criminals.!

Then again, you are harbouring them, so I guess you do feel responsible for their well being.!

You should tell them the truth, that you cannot help them and that they are on their own.!

They are well aware of whats going on and they are in contact with UK officals all the time, you can rest assured they will not go down without a fight, how long did it take to get this decision through 4 or 5 years? lets how long it will take the next case to be rubber stamped and the first arrests made. I bet you nothing comes of it....when will you admit that it was all on a road leading to nowhere? 2 3 4 5 years times?

The wheels of Justice does turn slow, grant you that, but after 4-5 years of slow grind, the outcome of this case will become a landmark ruling for the EU. Here is this little nobody GC refugee who had his land stolen from him many time over, will get justice in the end. If you have stolen property VP, and you have told me before that some members of your family does, as some of my extended family also does, you and they all should worry. By you acting like a "cheer leader" for them in your support of their criminal activities, is a damn shameful act.!

Where have I supported their actions in this thread Im the one asking when the first arrests will occur. With regards to disputed land I do not have any my home is built on Pre 1974 deeds so Im not to concerned one way or the other but of course like everyone else I to have family who exchanged their land in south Cyprus for land in the TRNC, some of them are laughing as they know their land in the south is worth much more than what they have gotten in the TRNC and some will dispute the difference, if any have got more than they should have then they should pay the price or vacate the land, if there is ever a solution of course which is very unlikely...ho yes maybe a few TCs being arrested would also make interesting reading and impact on the international community.

[Nikitas]

Why do you keep talking about arrests VP?

The actions are civil actions between private individuals, there is no criminal process involved. The civil court awards damages and this judgement is enforcible in all EU member nations. If the defendant does not pay up they plaintiff attaches his property in any EU country.

It will be good for the people Miltiades calls cheapskates to realise that they cannot buy stolen land. And there are legal ways around it, which I am sure lawyers will figure out, but those will raise the cost to about even with RoC property.

So have no worries about any big hairy policeman arresting ladies with kids.

[Kikapu]

Why do you keep talking about arrests VP?

The actions are civil actions between private individuals, there is no criminal process involved. The civil court awards damages and this judgement is enforcible in all EU member nations. If the defendant does not pay up they plaintiff attaches his property in any EU country.

You are correct in what you say Nikitas, but the problem will be, is when these accused then start committing real crimes by giving false information under oath where they will perjure themselves in trying to hide their assets. A simple civil cases against them will become a criminal case, because these people have no scruples in breaking the law, is the reason why they bought stolen GC properties in the first place, therefore they will break more laws until they hang themselves criminally.!

[denizaksulu]

Kickapu you are being a little too dramatic. You should try writing a book or two. I am sure they will be part of the agreement, and either they will be able to by the land off the owner or sell the building to the owner. You are making a big issue of this when it is a very small part of the problem.

Really.!

If they are lucky, they will avoid jail time and walk away, but their money will be long gone. I only want projection for those TC's who were forced by Denktash to accept GC land as an "exchange" for theirs in the south, since these are the innocent TC's and not for those who indulged in Haram Money in dealing in stolen GC properties, because it is these people by and large who did not want peace for the last 30+ years, or even now, because they got used to that Haram Money.!

There are also those who refused to give up their land for GC land in the north and stuck it out until an agreement.
Let us not forget them.

Thanks for saying that, and you are absolutely right, which my mother is one of them. She could have very easily taken stolen GC land, but she did not. But I also respect other TC's who were forced to take stolen GC land as an "exchange" for theirs in the south they left behind, because Denktash in his one of many corrupted ways, convinced the TC's that the Cyprus Problem was over back in 1974, and that the north was now all TC land and that the north was also their new country. This was music to all the NeoPartitionist, the Fascist and all the GC haters ears. All they had to do was to wait couple of years for the north to become recognised, and the dream of the promise land would be finally realised.! Yes indeed, Denktash had his own movie script all written up, and the likes of VP, Zan and all the other NeoPartitionist on this forum would like to see the finished version of Denktash's warped dream.!

My Father was another. Welcome to the club.

Can I join too. It is one thing I am proud of. I am constantly offered GC land and have refused. This in spite of the hatred some GCs are capable of exhibiting.