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[RichardB]

I still cant see what will change if there is no solution, can someone enlighten us? The Brit has purchased disputed land and has been put through the legal mill but has no assets out of the TRNC. What difference will these rulings make? and what will be the international backlash if a Brit is arrested.

Until there is a solution and if the Brits have no assets in a EU country then I would say you are probably right viewpoint.

If the person has assets within the EU then these can be confiscated and used to compensate the aggrieved party.

It would also mean that if the person returned to an EU country then they would be liable to arrest.


So either way if there is a settlement they will lose if not they will be unable to return or have any assets within the EU

I know I certainly wouldn't want to live under those constraints

I suppose it could open up a whole can of worms also regarding benificaries of their estate should there be a death

GB law is quite clear. The estate of a deceased person in probate is liable to claims from third parties. The executors would have to settle these claims before passing on any remainder to beneficiaries.

I thought that was the case young William

So in effect if the owner was to pass away then any surviving relatives would have to pay out

It gets better and better don't it

[bill cobbett]

I still cant see what will change if there is no solution, can someone enlighten us? The Brit has purchased disputed land and has been put through the legal mill but has no assets out of the TRNC. What difference will these rulings make? and what will be the international backlash if a Brit is arrested.

Until there is a solution and if the Brits have no assets in a EU country then I would say you are probably right viewpoint.

If the person has assets within the EU then these can be confiscated and used to compensate the aggrieved party.

It would also mean that if the person returned to an EU country then they would be liable to arrest.


So either way if there is a settlement they will lose if not they will be unable to return or have any assets within the EU

I know I certainly wouldn't want to live under those constraints

I suppose it could open up a whole can of worms also regarding benificaries of their estate should there be a death

GB law is quite clear. The estate of a deceased person in probate is liable to claims from third parties. The executors would have to settle these claims before passing on any remainder to beneficiaries.

I thought that was the case young William

So in effect if the owner was to pass away then any surviving relatives would have to pay out

It gets better and better don't it

Absolutely brother and I further think ...

Given that the Court of Probate won't grant the probate until all claims are settled and that claimants are able to apply to the Court for a judgement in their favour which would also be enforceable in any EU nation, the estate would have to be kept outside EU jurisdiction.

It is also possible that the executors would in any event become personally liable to a claim, no matter where the estate has been concealed. (any of our legal experts please advice).

[Viewpoint]

I still cant see what will change if there is no solution, can someone enlighten us? The Brit has purchased disputed land and has been put through the legal mill but has no assets out of the TRNC. What difference will these rulings make? and what will be the international backlash if a Brit is arrested.

Until there is a solution and if the Brits have no assets in a EU country then I would say you are probably right viewpoint.

If the person has assets within the EU then these can be confiscated and used to compensate the aggrieved party.

It would also mean that if the person returned to an EU country then they would be liable to arrest.

So either way if there is a settlement they will lose if not they will be unable to return or have any assets within the EU

I know I certainly wouldn't want to live under those constraints

I suppose it could open up a whole can of worms also regarding benificaries of their estate should there be a death

So on the whole it wont make much difference if they have no assets abroad, cant wait to see the first arrest hopefully it will be when they are travelling to south Cyprus. Can you imagine the media frenzy??

[RichardB]

So on the whole it wont make much difference if they have no assets abroad, cant wait to see the first arrest hopefully it will be when they are travelling to south Cyprus. Can you imagine the media frenzy??

I think on this point VP you are right,

Re the 'first arrest' I guess this wont happen until (if) there is a solution.
Unless it can be proved they have assets in an EU country in which case the police would be perfectly entitled to 'arrest' the person(s) if a warrant has been issued by a judge in an EU country. Be this in the ROC or any other EU country.

I also would like to be there to see the arrest so I could laugh in their faces.

As for a media frenzy ...To be honest I doubt this would warrant more than a couple of lines on the inside pages (outside of Cy that is)

[Viewpoint]

So on the whole it wont make much difference if they have no assets abroad, cant wait to see the first arrest hopefully it will be when they are travelling to south Cyprus. Can you imagine the media frenzy??

I think on this point VP you are right,

Re the 'first arrest' I guess this wont happen until (if) there is a solution.
Unless it can be proved they have assets in an EU country in which case the police would be perfectly entitled to 'arrest' the person(s) if a warrant has been issued by a judge in an EU country. Be this in the ROC or any other EU country.

I also would like to be there to see the arrest so I could laugh in their faces.

As for a media frenzy ...To be honest I doubt this would warrant more than a couple of lines on the inside pages (outside of Cy that is)

With the financially well backed English lobby group in the TRNC the first arrest will be flashed allover the international media, mark my words I have met some of these Brits and they mean business they will not go down without a good fight. Can you see a GC policeman arresting a Brit as Ledra St...how long do you think they will keep them in prision and not allow them to return back to the TRNC?? cant wait for the back lash.

[RichardB]

So on the whole it wont make much difference if they have no assets abroad, cant wait to see the first arrest hopefully it will be when they are travelling to south Cyprus. Can you imagine the media frenzy??

I think on this point VP you are right,

Re the 'first arrest' I guess this wont happen until (if) there is a solution.
Unless it can be proved they have assets in an EU country in which case the police would be perfectly entitled to 'arrest' the person(s) if a warrant has been issued by a judge in an EU country. Be this in the ROC or any other EU country.

I also would like to be there to see the arrest so I could laugh in their faces.

As for a media frenzy ...To be honest I doubt this would warrant more than a couple of lines on the inside pages (outside of Cy that is)

With the financially well backed English lobby group in the TRNC the first arrest will be flashed allover the international media, mark my words I have met some of these Brits and they mean business they will not go down without a good fight. Can you see a GC policeman arresting a Brit as Ledra St...how long do you think they will keep them in prision and not allow them to return back to the TRNC?? cant wait for the back lash.

I guess we'll have to agree to differ

My view is that nobody outside of Cyprus or who does not have any ties with the Island really won't care a iota about this. (ask any Brit in the UK if they have heard of the Orams case....errrr no) I'm not belittling any one but thats the way it is ..... Will Turkey want the bad press and the implications this may bring...I don't think so. And if a solution is found they will not have any choice but to accept the ruling of the court.

And if (and I'm making presumptions here) an EU judge has issued a warrant for the arrest then there won't be much a lobby group can do.

And as I'm sure you're aware the GCs have very strong lobby groups also with probably greater financial backing.

[Kikapu]

I still cant see what will change if there is no solution, can someone enlighten us? The Brit has purchased disputed land and has been put through the legal mill but has no assets out of the TRNC. What difference will these rulings make? and what will be the international backlash if a Brit is arrested.

Until there is a solution and if the Brits have no assets in a EU country then I would say you are probably right viewpoint.

If the person has assets within the EU then these can be confiscated and used to compensate the aggrieved party.

It would also mean that if the person returned to an EU country then they would be liable to arrest.

So either way if there is a settlement they will lose if not they will be unable to return or have any assets within the EU

I know I certainly wouldn't want to live under those constraints

I suppose it could open up a whole can of worms also regarding benificaries of their estate should there be a death

So on the whole it wont make much difference if they have no assets abroad, cant wait to see the first arrest hopefully it will be when they are travelling to south Cyprus. Can you imagine the media frenzy??

Really.? Many bought stolen GC property as an investment, which means most of them are not living in the north, but rather, living in the UK. The one's that are mostly living in the north on stolen property, are the Brits and they are well known who they are to the GC authorities, same with the ones living in the UK by the thousands. I have forgot to tell you who are the ones that bought stolen GC properties who are living in the UK who all have houses, bank accounts, jobs, businesses etc, are no other than Turkish Cypriots. Yes, it is these TC's that have gotten most of the stolen GC land and it is these people who will be facing the music in the UK when the GC owners come after them, since they do not live in the "trnc" to be protected by the same corrupt leaders who allowed these stolen properties to be sold off in the first place.

As for the Brits, few thousand only who are living in the north on stolen GC properties, they will get theirs (lose money) when they will have to walk away from their stolen properties in the north without getting a penny for it, since they do not have a proof of ever buying anything as you said, but there will be plenty of circumstantial evidence to prosecute them when a settlement is reached or if they are found in any part of the EU, even if they do not hold any FAKE land deeds. The facts are, they will not be able to sell those properties to anyone else now, therefore, they have already lost their investments. This should be a lesson to be learnt by others. When you deal in stolen property, you are also dealing with corrupted people. That's what you have gotten in the north by those who deal in stolen GC properties, which also includes the leaderships in the north. It is a "package deal" and not just corrupted individuals.

What makes you think it will be a media frenzy to punish receivers and sellers of stolen property. Do you not prosecute any one who deals in stolen property in the north VP, and when you do, does it become a media circus or what.? Just what is your point by giving these criminals false sense of security anyway.? Are you afraid they will do a runner on you in the north.? If so, why do you care.? You have already gotten their Haram Money, so if they leave, then they leave.!

[Viewpoint]

So on the whole it wont make much difference if they have no assets abroad, cant wait to see the first arrest hopefully it will be when they are travelling to south Cyprus. Can you imagine the media frenzy??

I think on this point VP you are right,

Re the 'first arrest' I guess this wont happen until (if) there is a solution.
Unless it can be proved they have assets in an EU country in which case the police would be perfectly entitled to 'arrest' the person(s) if a warrant has been issued by a judge in an EU country. Be this in the ROC or any other EU country.

I also would like to be there to see the arrest so I could laugh in their faces.

As for a media frenzy ...To be honest I doubt this would warrant more than a couple of lines on the inside pages (outside of Cy that is)

With the financially well backed English lobby group in the TRNC the first arrest will be flashed allover the international media, mark my words I have met some of these Brits and they mean business they will not go down without a good fight. Can you see a GC policeman arresting a Brit as Ledra St...how long do you think they will keep them in prision and not allow them to return back to the TRNC?? cant wait for the back lash.

I guess we'll have to agree to differ

My view is that nobody outside of Cyprus or who does not have any ties with the Island really won't care a iota about this. (ask any Brit in the UK if they have heard of the Orams case....errrr no) I'm not belittling any one but thats the way it is ..... Will Turkey want the bad press and the implications this may bring...I don't think so. And if a solution is found they will not have any choice but to accept the ruling of the court.

And if (and I'm making presumptions here) an EU judge has issued a warrant for the arrest then there won't be much a lobby group can do.

And as I'm sure you're aware the GCs have very strong lobby groups also with probably greater financial backing.

The scenarios is the big bad Gc policeman arresting the unsuspecting Brit with kids prefreably for full effect even with the story exploding on the BBC will be enough to send bad reaction from the UK towards the GC south Cyprus. Just humour me Richard as I can picture the whole scene now with British Comsulate getting involved to free them from GC prision, could be the stuff for another feature film dont you think?

[Kikapu]

So on the whole it wont make much difference if they have no assets abroad, cant wait to see the first arrest hopefully it will be when they are travelling to south Cyprus. Can you imagine the media frenzy??

I think on this point VP you are right,

Re the 'first arrest' I guess this wont happen until (if) there is a solution.
Unless it can be proved they have assets in an EU country in which case the police would be perfectly entitled to 'arrest' the person(s) if a warrant has been issued by a judge in an EU country. Be this in the ROC or any other EU country.

I also would like to be there to see the arrest so I could laugh in their faces.

As for a media frenzy ...To be honest I doubt this would warrant more than a couple of lines on the inside pages (outside of Cy that is)

With the financially well backed English lobby group in the TRNC the first arrest will be flashed allover the international media, mark my words I have met some of these Brits and they mean business they will not go down without a good fight. Can you see a GC policeman arresting a Brit as Ledra St...how long do you think they will keep them in prision and not allow them to return back to the TRNC?? cant wait for the back lash.

What are they going to do, VP, other than cry for their mummies.? The EU countries do not harbour criminals as you do in the "trnc". The EU countries live by the Rule of Law. You give too much credit to these criminals.!

Then again, you are harbouring them, so I guess you do feel responsible for their well being.!

You should tell them the truth, that you cannot help them and that they are on their own.!

[Viewpoint]

I still cant see what will change if there is no solution, can someone enlighten us? The Brit has purchased disputed land and has been put through the legal mill but has no assets out of the TRNC. What difference will these rulings make? and what will be the international backlash if a Brit is arrested.

Until there is a solution and if the Brits have no assets in a EU country then I would say you are probably right viewpoint.

If the person has assets within the EU then these can be confiscated and used to compensate the aggrieved party.

It would also mean that if the person returned to an EU country then they would be liable to arrest.

So either way if there is a settlement they will lose if not they will be unable to return or have any assets within the EU

I know I certainly wouldn't want to live under those constraints

I suppose it could open up a whole can of worms also regarding benificaries of their estate should there be a death

So on the whole it wont make much difference if they have no assets abroad, cant wait to see the first arrest hopefully it will be when they are travelling to south Cyprus. Can you imagine the media frenzy??

Really.? Many bought stolen GC property as an investment, which means most of them are not living in the north, but rather, living in the UK. The one's that are mostly living in the north on stolen property, are the Brits and they are well known who they are to the GC authorities, same with the ones living in the UK by the thousands. I have forgot to tell you who are the ones that bought stolen GC properties who are living in the UK who all have houses, bank accounts, jobs, businesses etc, are no other than Turkish Cypriots. Yes, it is these TC's that have gotten most of the stolen GC land and it is these people who will be facing the music in the UK when the GC owners come after them, since they do not live in the "trnc" to be protected by the same corrupt leaders who allowed these stolen properties to be sold off in the first place.

As for the Brits, few thousand only who are living in the north on stolen GC properties, they will get theirs (lose money) when they will have to walk away from their stolen properties in the north without getting a penny for it, since they do not have a proof of ever buying anything as you said, but there will be plenty of circumstantial evidence to prosecute them when a settlement is reached or if they are found in any part of the EU, even if they do not hold any FAKE land deeds. The facts are, they will not be able to sell those properties to anyone else now, therefore, they have already lost their investments. This should be a lesson to be learnt by others. When you deal in stolen property, you are also dealing with corrupted people. That's what you have gotten in the north by those who deal in stolen GC properties, which also includes the leaderships in the north. It is a "package deal" and not just corrupted individuals.

What makes you think it will be a media frenzy to punish receivers and sellers of stolen property. Do you not prosecute any one who deals in stolen property in the north VP, and when you do, does it become a media circus or what.? Just what is your point by giving these criminals false sense of security anyway.? Are you afraid they will do a runner on you in the north.? If so, why do you care.? You have already gotten their Haram Money, so if they leave, then they leave.!

When do you think we will be seeing the first arrests???