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[Oracle]

Thank you growuptcs ... onwards ....


Sound Comparisons
between
Turkish and Mongolian


by
Hugjiltu
Inner Mongolia University


Concerning the sounds, grammars and lexica of Turkish and Mongolian,
there are quite a number of relations, typological similarities and af-
finities. Though the Turkish language has been considerably influenced
by Arabian, Persian and other Indo-European languages, it still keeps
the basic characteristics which the Turkic languages originally had. Un-
til now, scholars like G. J. Ramstedt, B. Y. Vladimirtsov, N. Poppe, Sir
G. Clauson, L. Ligeti, W. Kotwicz e.a. have done descriptive and com-
parative studies on the various relations existing among the Turkic and
Mongolian languages, but it has not been determined if these relations
prove the same genealogy or should just to be considered as typological
similarities. This problem can only be solved by further studying the
common properties of these languages in order to find out which are
results of mutual borrowing and which are results of mutual influence.

For the comparative study of Turkish and Mongolian we can reference the
monographs by G. J. Ramstedt, N. Poppe, P. Pelliot, G. Nemeth, Sir G.
Clauson, E. Hovdhaugen. G. Doerfer, L. V. Clark e.a. In Turkey, the com-
parative study between Turkish and Mongolian is done by native scholars
such as Prof. Ahmet Temir, Talat Tekin, Tuncer G￾lensoy, O. N. Tuna e.a.

Among the Turkic languages, Turkish is in the most western place and far
away from the Mongol Highland. Concerning its objective condition, the
opportunities for cantact with the Mongolian language are rare. During
my learning and studying of Turkish, I have unexpectedly found a great
amount of words common to both Turkish and Mongolian. Furthermore, there
are also many corresponding relations and similarities concerning sound
and grammar.

In order to explore the laws of phonetic correspondences between Turkish
and Mongolian, a lexicon gathered from a few Turkish dictionaries served
as the basis for a tentative comparison between the sounds of the
Turkish language and written Mongolian.

http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~corff/im/ ... ugjilt.unx

[runaway]

Thank you growuptcs ... onwards ....


Sound Comparisons
between
Turkish and Mongolian


by
Hugjiltu
Inner Mongolia University


Concerning the sounds, grammars and lexica of Turkish and Mongolian,
there are quite a number of relations, typological similarities and af-
finities. Though the Turkish language has been considerably influenced
by Arabian, Persian and other Indo-European languages, it still keeps
the basic characteristics which the Turkic languages originally had. Un-
til now, scholars like G. J. Ramstedt, B. Y. Vladimirtsov, N. Poppe, Sir
G. Clauson, L. Ligeti, W. Kotwicz e.a. have done descriptive and com-
parative studies on the various relations existing among the Turkic and
Mongolian languages, but it has not been determined if these relations
prove the same genealogy or should just to be considered as typological
similarities. This problem can only be solved by further studying the
common properties of these languages in order to find out which are
results of mutual borrowing and which are results of mutual influence.

For the comparative study of Turkish and Mongolian we can reference the
monographs by G. J. Ramstedt, N. Poppe, P. Pelliot, G. Nemeth, Sir G.
Clauson, E. Hovdhaugen. G. Doerfer, L. V. Clark e.a. In Turkey, the com-
parative study between Turkish and Mongolian is done by native scholars
such as Prof. Ahmet Temir, Talat Tekin, Tuncer G￾lensoy, O. N. Tuna e.a.

Among the Turkic languages, Turkish is in the most western place and far
away from the Mongol Highland. Concerning its objective condition, the
opportunities for cantact with the Mongolian language are rare. During
my learning and studying of Turkish, I have unexpectedly found a great
amount of words common to both Turkish and Mongolian. Furthermore, there
are also many corresponding relations and similarities concerning sound
and grammar.

In order to explore the laws of phonetic correspondences between Turkish
and Mongolian, a lexicon gathered from a few Turkish dictionaries served
as the basis for a tentative comparison between the sounds of the
Turkish language and written Mongolian.

http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~corff/im/ ... ugjilt.unx

Ural-Altay language family: Hungarian,Turkish,Finnish,Estonian, Korean,Japanese,Mongolian etc........... Now you have a reason to hate Fins and Hungarians as well. Fill yourself with more hatred before you go to sleep and blow yourself up.

[Oracle]

You are wrong about links between some of those languages ...

All areas of study point to the present day Turks as being invaders from the Far East!

bye bye .........................

[YFred]

Thank you growuptcs ... onwards ....


Sound Comparisons
between
Turkish and Mongolian


by
Hugjiltu
Inner Mongolia University


Concerning the sounds, grammars and lexica of Turkish and Mongolian,
there are quite a number of relations, typological similarities and af-
finities. Though the Turkish language has been considerably influenced
by Arabian, Persian and other Indo-European languages, it still keeps
the basic characteristics which the Turkic languages originally had. Un-
til now, scholars like G. J. Ramstedt, B. Y. Vladimirtsov, N. Poppe, Sir
G. Clauson, L. Ligeti, W. Kotwicz e.a. have done descriptive and com-
parative studies on the various relations existing among the Turkic and
Mongolian languages, but it has not been determined if these relations
prove the same genealogy or should just to be considered as typological
similarities. This problem can only be solved by further studying the
common properties of these languages in order to find out which are
results of mutual borrowing and which are results of mutual influence.

For the comparative study of Turkish and Mongolian we can reference the
monographs by G. J. Ramstedt, N. Poppe, P. Pelliot, G. Nemeth, Sir G.
Clauson, E. Hovdhaugen. G. Doerfer, L. V. Clark e.a. In Turkey, the com-
parative study between Turkish and Mongolian is done by native scholars
such as Prof. Ahmet Temir, Talat Tekin, Tuncer G￾lensoy, O. N. Tuna e.a.

Among the Turkic languages, Turkish is in the most western place and far
away from the Mongol Highland. Concerning its objective condition, the
opportunities for cantact with the Mongolian language are rare. During
my learning and studying of Turkish, I have unexpectedly found a great
amount of words common to both Turkish and Mongolian. Furthermore, there
are also many corresponding relations and similarities concerning sound
and grammar.

In order to explore the laws of phonetic correspondences between Turkish
and Mongolian, a lexicon gathered from a few Turkish dictionaries served
as the basis for a tentative comparison between the sounds of the
Turkish language and written Mongolian.

http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~corff/im/ ... ugjilt.unx

Ural-Altay language family: Hungarian,Turkish,Finnish,Estonian, Korean,Japanese,Mongolian etc........... Now you have a reason to hate Fins and Hungarians as well. Fill yourself with more hatred before you go to sleep and blow yourself up.

Are you aware of the connection with the Native American Indians with the Turks.

[insan]

Oracle, Turks are not Mongolian, they were tribes man from that area but never actually Mongolian.

The Mongolian Empire is totally different.

It is only the ignorant Greeks who use the identity of one nation to insult another nation without knowing anything about the matter, you are one of them.

Of course it is hard for you to read any real history while you spend all your time trying to humiliate us in some silly way.

Plus who is "ransacking" Bagdat right now?

Western Mongols?

Shah, do you expect her to praise Turks while the Turks hold her heritage hostage? It's really funny how you shift Oracle's racism to suit only your needs of holding on to what Turkey stole. The energy you have to keep writing here shows why you do. Its amazing how you don't see that, and keep going on like a chicken without a head.

Turks were ready to give/exchange what they were forced to "steal" by Enosists, right after the events of 1974. Nevertheless, u have never considered us as 1 of the politically equal community of Cyprus. The day u accept TC community as a politically equal state partner Turks will restitute/exchange and compensate u. Don't worry. We r sure of that u will never accept us as a politically equal state partner so better prepare yourself to discuss partition.

[Piratis]

Don't talk rubbish oracle, most fools know that evolution has no end purpose. Evolution did not "mean" to create man, this is elementary staff. I said that evolution happens despite natural selection which may favour certain fascist elements to appear temporarily and, my apologies, this despite our forum (ideological) differences.

So are you suggesting that fascists like you have a different kind of dna? Is Hitler your relative by any chance? You both support imperialism and invasions of foreign countries. Hitler also thought it was a good excuse to invade Czechoslovakia in order to "protect" the German minority there, and you seem to have the same views in the case of the Turkish invasion against Cyprus. And of course lets not forget that just like Hitler you also think that freedom, democracy and human rights can be compromised.

What kind of stupid remark is that?
Were the Czech Germans in any danger when Hitler invaded?
Which planet are you from?

The Nazis said that their minority was in danger. Like the Turks said that their minority was in danger.

The fact is that none was in danger, and that these minorities were simply used as an excuse for an invasion that was planned long time before.

The facts clearly show that in 1974 no TC was harmed during the coup, and those that were killed in 1974 were killed only after Turkey and TCs attacked us on July 20th.

I am not aware of any strife between the Germans and the Czechs, but can you really say the same between the coupists and the TCs in 1974 with a straight face.
Do you really believe that if Turkey did not invade, not one TC was going to be harmed?
If that is the case Why have the coup then?
Will You answer it this time? What was their vision and intentions after they killed the opposing GCs.
What were they going to do?

Sorry YFred, but you don't know the history if you say that there was no strife between the Germans and the Czechs. Also it is a fact that during the coup no TC was killed. Any TCs that were killed in 1974 were killed during the war that TCs and Turks started on the 20th of July by invading Cyprus. In that war 1000s of GCs were killed and only a few 100s of TCs.

The coup had as a first aim to remove/kill Makarios who was considered by the Americans (who were behind the Athens Junta) as being the "Red Monk" of the "Cuba of the Mediterranean". At most union with Cyprus and Greece would be declared.

Nothing would happen to TCs. The Junta was ruling Greece for years, and the Turkish minority there was not "exterminated".

[Piratis]

Don't talk rubbish oracle, most fools know that evolution has no end purpose. Evolution did not "mean" to create man, this is elementary staff. I said that evolution happens despite natural selection which may favour certain fascist elements to appear temporarily and, my apologies, this despite our forum (ideological) differences.

So are you suggesting that fascists like you have a different kind of dna? Is Hitler your relative by any chance? You both support imperialism and invasions of foreign countries. Hitler also thought it was a good excuse to invade Czechoslovakia in order to "protect" the German minority there, and you seem to have the same views in the case of the Turkish invasion against Cyprus. And of course lets not forget that just like Hitler you also think that freedom, democracy and human rights can be compromised.

What kind of stupid remark is that?
Were the Czech Germans in any danger when Hitler invaded?
Which planet are you from?

The Nazis said that their minority was in danger. Like the Turks said that their minority was in danger.

The fact is that none was in danger, and that these minorities were simply used as an excuse for an invasion that was planned long time before.

The facts clearly show that in 1974 no TC was harmed during the coup, and those that were killed in 1974 were killed only after Turkey and TCs attacked us on July 20th.

That's bullshit.

History does show that we were living under oppression of various sorts for almost 20 years and KILLINGS were a part of it.

Don't go around twisting stories.

They had got all the permissions to come in because YOU had already given them plenty of reasons to do so!

The coup was even murdering your own people, who the hell can suggest that we were "actually safe", what an idiot!

The conflict that was going on for about 20 years was the one you started in 1958. And in fact by 1968 the conflict was over. The only problem after that was that you continued to demand Ottoman Style privileges on our expense and refused to participate in ruling this country as equal citizens.

The Turks got no "permission" to invade, and had absolutely no right to do so. In fact there was a UN resolution imminently after the Turkish invasion started which demanded the respect of the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus. Instead of obeying the Resolution you continued with the 2nd phase of the invasion.

[Piratis]

YFred wrote:

Crap is something you are very good at. Of all people you should be able to recognise it from miles away.
You can re-write the Cyprus History, but not European. Whatever their problems, there was no problems like in Cyprus of 1963 up to 74. People killed and dumped into wells.

Stop talking out of your arse and face reality, before its too late.

yfred

google Sudetenland and you will see all you need re the reasons?? (excuses) the Nazis needed for invasion .The similarities between this and the turkish Invasion of Cyprus are very similar in many ways

The sudeten germans were not about to be wiped out. There is no comparison.
As to discrimination in the hands of the Majority, you had to live in Cyprus to see it.
The TC's suffered the same Discrimination in the hands of the RoC. Racism and discrimination was institutional in the hands of those who were in power.

It is a matter of conjecture whether the TCs were going to be wiped out. The similarity is the Turkish Govt (military )used this peceived?threat as a pretext for an invasion as did the Nazis

The similarities dont end there The minority sudeten Germans were demanding a free state (taksim?) and the help they got was from Big Brother Nazi Germany

Some one has also commented (it may have been yourself,apologies if not), that the Nazi invasion was pure expansionism It seems to me that with the now numbers of settlers now established in the north that this was also Turkeys aim .

I appreciate your comment that 'you had to be there to see it' but I like many others have been told stories by family and friends of these events (I dare say like the greater percentage of those on forum ) I have read and researched and come up with my own opinions on the subject

That is right Richard. But there is one significant difference. In the case of Czechoslovakia there was a region, Sudetenland, which was historically inhabited by a majority of Germans.

On the other hand, in Cyprus there was never such thing as "Turkmenland" or anything of that sort. The TC minority was spread around the island.

So the Turks not only invaded a sovereign country, like the Nazis did, but they also committed ethnic cleansing and atrocities worst than those committed by the Germans during their invasion of Czechoslovakia, in order to exterminate the majority of the population from the north part of Cyprus, replace them with Turkish Settlers, and in this way artificially create their "Turkmenland" in Cyprus.

So the excuse that the Turks used was even more lame than the one that the Nazis used, and in this case the Turks have been much worsts than the Nazis.

It is also interesting how the other powers reacted to the Nazi aggression:

Encouraged, Hitler began pressing German claims on the Sudetenland, an area of Czechoslovakia with a predominantly ethnic German population; France and Britain conceded this territory to him, against the wishes of the Czechoslovak government, in exchange for a promise of no further territorial demands. However, soon after that, Germany and Italy forced Czechoslovakia to cede additional territory to Hungary and Poland. In March 1939 Germany invaded the rump of Czechoslovakia and subsequently split it into the German Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia and the pro-German Slovak Republic.

The (soon to be) allies declared war on Germany only after the invasion of Poland and only when it became obvious that Nazis would eventually come after them. If the Nazis had only occupied Czechoslovakia it appears that the rest of the powers would have tolerated this.

[shahmaran]

Don't talk rubbish oracle, most fools know that evolution has no end purpose. Evolution did not "mean" to create man, this is elementary staff. I said that evolution happens despite natural selection which may favour certain fascist elements to appear temporarily and, my apologies, this despite our forum (ideological) differences.

So are you suggesting that fascists like you have a different kind of dna? Is Hitler your relative by any chance? You both support imperialism and invasions of foreign countries. Hitler also thought it was a good excuse to invade Czechoslovakia in order to "protect" the German minority there, and you seem to have the same views in the case of the Turkish invasion against Cyprus. And of course lets not forget that just like Hitler you also think that freedom, democracy and human rights can be compromised.

What kind of stupid remark is that?
Were the Czech Germans in any danger when Hitler invaded?
Which planet are you from?

The Nazis said that their minority was in danger. Like the Turks said that their minority was in danger.

The fact is that none was in danger, and that these minorities were simply used as an excuse for an invasion that was planned long time before.

The facts clearly show that in 1974 no TC was harmed during the coup, and those that were killed in 1974 were killed only after Turkey and TCs attacked us on July 20th.

I am not aware of any strife between the Germans and the Czechs, but can you really say the same between the coupists and the TCs in 1974 with a straight face.
Do you really believe that if Turkey did not invade, not one TC was going to be harmed?
If that is the case Why have the coup then?
Will You answer it this time? What was their vision and intentions after they killed the opposing GCs.
What were they going to do?

Sorry YFred, but you don't know the history if you say that there was no strife between the Germans and the Czechs. Also it is a fact that during the coup no TC was killed. Any TCs that were killed in 1974 were killed during the war that TCs and Turks started on the 20th of July by invading Cyprus. In that war 1000s of GCs were killed and only a few 100s of TCs.

The coup had as a first aim to remove/kill Makarios who was considered by the Americans (who were behind the Athens Junta) as being the "Red Monk" of the "Cuba of the Mediterranean". At most union with Cyprus and Greece would be declared.

Nothing would happen to TCs. The Junta was ruling Greece for years, and the Turkish minority there was not "exterminated".

TC's never invaded this island, yet you were happy to massacre civilians while fighting the Turks, but somehow that seems to be OK in your books since, well you are fighting the Turks anyways so why not kill them all while at it?!!?!

Face it, if Turkey had not succeeded there wouldn't be 1 TC alive to tell the story.

You always pretend this little comment never existed:

"Had Turkey not intervened I would not only have proclaimed Enosis but I would have annihilated the Turks in Cyprus."

The rest is usual Piratis crap...

[Tim Drayton]

How about Cyprus? Is it fair on our children not to know evolution? What can we do about it?

Can somebody confirm whether Evolution is tought in TC schools or not.

I would also be interested to know this.