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[YFred]

Just for the record, section IX. II of the final year high school biology curriculum in Turkey covers the following:

II. Views concerning the evolution of living beings
A.Lamarck's views on evolution
B.Darwin's views on evolution

I can perhaps excuse the Turks on account that their far more religious than the TCs and the teachers who opposed the view would be in fear of their lives.
Do you know if this is true of the TC education too?

[Tim Drayton]

Just for the record, section IX. II of the final year high school biology curriculum in Turkey covers the following:

II. Views concerning the evolution of living beings
A.Lamarck's views on evolution
B.Darwin's views on evolution

I wonder how they are actually taught!

Is Dawkins still banned?

Good question. It is a highly controversial topic in Turkey and I am sure a great many teachers try to gloss over it as quickly as they can. I once knew a very devout Muslim biology teacher in Turkey who complained about the way evolution was being downgraded on the curriculum. He strongly advocated teaching evolution because he considered it to be correct science, in spite of his religious convictions.

[shahmaran]

Ottoman-Turks have never sought permission for what they do. They set their sights on land acquisition, take, and then make up the excuses later. They know their people will never fail them, by questioning their methods and doubting their "justification" ... ask Bananiot, he knows Turks should be spoon-fed all they want!.

I dont remember you taking permissions to murder me in my own lands.

Turkey on the other hand did and got it

Well since you never were murdered (in any lands), we can safely assume that it was not on the agenda! A case of an over-ripe, misinformed imagination ....

As for your lesson to us, about Turkish "smash and grab" ... we're well seasoned with how Turkey has expanded her Empire (still does, look out EU!).

Sure, the disappearance of our relatives and neighbours is just our imagination.

Way to go Oracle, you did used to make sense at some point...

Not long ago civilised Greece was out for some "smash-grab" in Turkey and even recently were the GC's over here.

Its a pretty popular game around this part of the globe, shame you are suckers at it

[Bananiot]

How about Cyprus? Is it fair on our children not to know evolution? What can we do about it?

[Viewpoint]

How about Cyprus? Is it fair on our children not to know evolution? What can we do about it?

They view children from the other side as foreigners. The majority in the TRNC do not believe in a solution as they see and read what goes on reaffirming there is no light at the end of tunnel.

[YFred]

How about Cyprus? Is it fair on our children not to know evolution? What can we do about it?

Can somebody confirm whether Evolution is tought in TC schools or not.

[Oracle]

Female Muslim medics 'disobey hygiene rules'

By Julie Henry and Laura Donnelly:Telegraph
Last Updated: 1:26AM GMT 04 Feb 2008

Muslim medical students are refusing to obey hygiene rules brought in to stop the spread of deadly superbugs, because they say it is against their religion.

Women training in several hospitals in England have raised objections to removing their arm coverings in theatre and to rolling up their sleeves when washing their hands, because it is regarded as immodest in Islam.

Universities and NHS trusts fear many more will refuse to co-operate with new Department of Health guidance, introduced this month, which stipulates that all doctors must be "bare below the elbow".

The measure is deemed necessary to stop the spread of infections such as MRSA and Clostridium difficile, which have killed hundreds.

Minutes of a clinical academics' meeting at Liverpool University revealed that female Muslim students at Alder Hey children's hospital had objected to rolling up their sleeves to wear gowns.

Similar concerns have been raised at Leicester University. Minutes from a medical school committee said that "a number of Muslim females had difficulty in complying with the procedures to roll up sleeves to the elbow for appropriate handwashing".

Sheffield University also reported a case of a Muslim medic who refused to "scrub" as this left her forearms exposed.

Documents from Birmingham University reveal that some students would prefer to quit the course rather than expose their arms, and warn that it could leave trusts open to legal action.

Hygiene experts said last night that no exceptions should be made on religious grounds.

Dr Mark Enright, professor of microbiology at Imperial College London, said: "To wash your hands properly, and reduce the risks of MRSA and C.difficile, you have to be able to wash the whole area around the wrist.

"I don't think it would be right to make an exemption for people on any grounds. The policy of bare below the elbows has to be applied universally."

Dr Charles Tannock, a Conservative MEP and former hospital consultant, said: "These students are being trained using taxpayers' money and they have a duty of care to their patients not to put their health at risk.

"Perhaps these women should not be choosing medicine as a career if they feel unable to abide by the guidelines that everyone else has to follow."

But the Islamic Medical Association insisted that covering all the body in public, except the face and hands, was a basic tenet of Islam.

"No practising Muslim woman - doctor, medical student, nurse or patient - should be forced to bare her arms below the elbow," it said.

Dr Majid Katme, the association spokesman, said: "Exposed arms can pick up germs and there is a lot of evidence to suggest skin is safer to the patient if covered. One idea might be to produce long, sterile, disposable gloves which go up to the elbows."

[shahmaran]

Yup and they blame Turkey for wanting to abolish the head scarf, the EU is only just catching up with the problems radical Islam brings

[Oracle]

I thought the last vote was to keep the headscarf

.... soon it will be obligatory again! (unfortunately!)

[shahmaran]

That will never happen, unless over the dead body of the army.

And the supreme court blocked their attempt to make it legal anyways.

People can wear it, just not in government offices or in schools, so no head scarfed doctors...