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[miltiades]

After almost 3 years and over 7000 posts on the CF , I cant help but feel despondent that there are so many Cypriots that are so hopelessly irresponsible in approaching the Cyprus problem in political terms.
Our goal , that of the G/Cs , T/Cs and others must surely be the unification of our island , the permanent removal of conflict , mistrust and damaging doctrines , and of course the removal of foreign troops from our shores and the introduction of a durable " constitution" where all citizens feel part of the national heart of Cyprus.
I have in the past referred to the adverse and damaging affects of the two protagonist foreign nations , Greece and Turkey , firmly convinced in my beliefs that until our motherland becomes Cyprus , our supreme nation , then regretfully spores of conflict will continue to grow , untreated and nourished by the politically irresponsible elements within our society .

What are the primary concerns facing the majority of Cypriots ?
Security must rank high , removal of foreign troops even higher but also trust and confidence that a Cypriot government will be for the benefit of each and every single Cypriot citizen , a government that will address the concerns of its citizens , a government that will embark on a sustained and a lengthy drive to unite our people socially as well as politically .

There are amongst us Cypriots who spread the seeds of disunity , who continually declare their unwillingness to be a part of this nation , yet they demand a say in our nations affairs !!

Im despondent and angry that intelligent , well educated individuals are totally oblivious of the damage they may be causing to the Cyprus cause by their display of hatred towards nations that have so much influence on the desired outcome of our struggle to be totally independent and free of foreign unwelcome interference . The interests of our nation in its hour of need are of extreme paramount importance. Our focus has to be towards the interests of our nation , first and foremost.
What is of interest to Cyprus we must zealously pursue , we are far too small and insignificant in the International world political spectrum and affiliating ourselves with other politically ineffective nations is detrimental to the interests of our nation.

The T/Cs are an integral part of this island . Cyprus is as much theirs as ours . Accepting this profound factuality and implementing social changes to embrace realities can only be substantially beneficial to the well being of all Cypriots and more importantly to our new Cypriot generations.

May I finish by adding an "arbitrary " comment on those who constantly refer to the conflicts of the 60s and 74. Let go , repedition constantly does not change one iota of events that are now well behind us.
We are a European nation an EU member , lets encourage our T/C brothers and sisters to join us as free and equal citizens of the nation of Cyprus.

[YFred]

Well said.
You left out those who keep going back to 1570. What you have said had to be said.

However I do firmly believe that the people you describe are in the minority on both sides of the island and the next vote will confirm that. It seems they have a very high representation on the Cyprus Forum, but I do feel that that is the empty bottle syndrome; it tends to make a lot more noise etc.

[Oracle]

My only concern is that there are Cypriots like Miltiades who equate Greece with Turkey, as being foreign.

I notice also that removal of the Turkish troops was about fifth in your list of things we have to solve, when it should be prime.

Shame ...

[Medman]

For once Militades I agree with your comments. Cyprus is becoming more corrupt everyday I'm afraid and the longer the status quo goes on and the blame game continues the people that have benefitted from the conflict will continue to line their pockets. I still believe environmental issues such as water is what will reunite the island.

[YFred]

Water certainly will be the cement of our relationship. Hurry up and order this bloomin pipeline from Turkey. You will find that Trade is the foundation of all peacfull nations and lack of it is the cause of all wars.

[miltiades]

My only concern is that there are Cypriots like Miltiades who equate Greece with Turkey, as being foreign.

I notice also that removal of the Turkish troops was about fifth in your list of things we have to solve, when it should be prime.

Shame ...

Now madam , read again what I said about removal of foreign troops !!

"""What are the primary concerns facing the majority of Cypriots ?
Security must rank high , removal of foreign troops even higher ...."

As far as Equating Greece with Turkey as being foreign nations , it is the ONLY WAY, if we are genuine about wanting to live side by side with our T/C compatriots, and they with us , as one people , one identity one common motherland then the two related nations must take secondary position.
I have never advocated the abandonment of the word Greek or Turkish when describing a Cypriot , or Armenian for that matter .I have always referred to myself as a Greek Cypriot with the proviso that Cypriot is the ultimate expression of my nationality as shown by my ID card.
As far you is concerned , I have told you a myriad times , your contribution to a peaceful resolution to the Cyprus problem is as beneficial as pouring petrol onto a fire.
Have you gained any trust from any T/C on this forum , have you instilled in any T/C one iota of hope that if united their safety will be equally revered as that of the safety of any other Cypriot ?
I have !

[YFred]

Can't help but notice that since the second world war, the two countries with the strongest most stable economy are Germany and Japan. We must have a lesson to learn from them. The West did them the best favour when they were not allowed to build an army.
Same should be for Cyprus. We do not need an Army especially when we are in the EU.

[Jerry]

I agree with your views Milti, the poison spouted on this site does nothing to improve relations between the two sides, it's completely counterproductive. Both sides have been wronged but there is a difference between Greece and Turkey. Greece has almost let go of the Cyprus Problem and is willing for Cypriots to determine their own future whilst Turkey appears to be determined to maintain some sort of hold on the island. The sins of Greece were in the past whilst Turkey's are still remain. If Turkey stood back a little from the Cyprus Problem, as Greece has done, a solution would soon be found.

[Oracle]

My only concern is that there are Cypriots like Miltiades who equate Greece with Turkey, as being foreign.

I notice also that removal of the Turkish troops was about fifth in your list of things we have to solve, when it should be prime.

Shame ...

Now madam , read again what I said about removal of foreign troops !!

"""What are the primary concerns facing the majority of Cypriots ?
Security must rank high , removal of foreign troops even higher ...."

As far as Equating Greece with Turkey as being foreign nations , it is the ONLY WAY, if we are genuine about wanting to live side by side with our T/C compatriots, and they with us , as one people , one identity one common motherland then the two related nations must take secondary position.
I have never advocated the abandonment of the word Greek or Turkish when describing a Cypriot , or Armenian for that matter .I have always referred to myself as a Greek Cypriot with the proviso that Cypriot is the ultimate expression of my nationality as shown by my ID card.
As far you is concerned , I have told you a myriad times , your contribution to a peaceful resolution to the Cyprus problem is as beneficial as pouring petrol onto a fire.
Have you gained any trust from any T/C on this forum , have you instilled in any T/C one iota of hope that if united their safety will be equally revered as that of the safety of any other Cypriot ?
I have !

No dear. In your FIRST "paragraph". You said ...

Our goal , that of the G/Cs , T/Cs and others must surely be the unification of our island , the permanent removal of conflict , mistrust and damaging doctrines , and of course the removal of foreign troops from our shores and the introduction of a durable "

And no, you are quite wrong about calling Greece "foreign" as a way to solve the Cyprus Problem.

But I am vindicated in that you have finally admitted, that it is a reaction to the Turks, and a consequence of appeasing Turks, that you so cowardly betray your ancestors!

[YFred]

Considering the last vote, where TC voted for unification and GCs voted agains it, Your argument does not hold water.
Even accepting that the Annan plan was not perfect; you must wander the role of Papadobullos and whether he actually wanted unification.
I can quote to you just one of many reasons for the above comment. He could have asked for the whole of Karpaz back, and he would have got it. He never even asked.
You are kidding yourself regarding the GC negotiators intentions.

I just hope that Christofias is not another Papadobullos, for all our sakes.