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[Viewpoint]

I personally believe that a lot of the Turk and Turkish Cypriot haters on this forum DON'T want any solution and want to retain the status quo. Judging from their statements, they need something to hate in order to survive. Remove the Turkish occupation, have the island reunited, and have the island populace living in an indepenent and peaceful Cyprus, and the end result is that their lives will figurtively cease to exist as there will be no hate to give rheir lives meaning. Their purpose in life is simply to hate Turks...

Yes utu, remove the Turkish occupation, have the island reunited, and have the island populace living in an independent and peaceful Cyprus, and the end result is that Turk haters will cease to exist.

The Turkish occupation, the human rights violations and the stealing of our lands is what creates the hate. Remove the cause of the hate, and the hate will disappear.

You hated TCs and Turks well before 1974.

[YFred]

Your hatred towards the Ottomans might be accepted, but to extend that hatred ot the Turkish/Moslem Cypriots is non-sensicle.

Turkish Cypriot attempts to disassociate themselves from the Ottomans are both silly and futile.

I’d ask you to read your history but I’m sure you have, so now I’ll ask that you believe it!

You need to see a Psychiatrist GR.

I told him and O that when I started my Lurucina thread. I still maintain that obsessive behaviour is the first sign of madness.
So Psychiatrist it has to be.
Otherwise a good dose of Suggs with Baggy Trousers or One step beyond.

[utu]

People who want to retain the status quo simply to perpetuate their prejuduces and hatreds exist on both sides of the Green Line. Turkey's raison 'd for retaining her troops in the north is the hostility towards them by Greece and Cyprus. Remove that hostility, and they lose their chief justification. Bringing in Anatolian migrants also perpetuates things as these folk now have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. I criticized nationalist Greek Cypriots earlier for wanting to continue the status quo in order to maintain their belligerent attitude, but nationalist Turkish Cypriots are just as culpable in this regard.

When you think about it, the only thing one can do is completely clear house and start all over again. New state, new constitution, and a removal of all direct foreign influences.

[denizaksulu]

Your hatred towards the Ottomans might be accepted, but to extend that hatred ot the Turkish/Moslem Cypriots is non-sensicle.

Turkish Cypriot attempts to disassociate themselves from the Ottomans are both silly and futile.

I’d ask you to read your history but I’m sure you have, so now I’ll ask that you believe it!

You need to see a Psychiatrist GR.

Why... to convince me that Turkish Cypriots are not associated with the Ottomans? It must be the shrink you've been seeing!

You and Piratis live too much in the past. Not ver healthy, that. About time you got a reality check.

The Greek Cypriots have inherited 10,000+ years of history, so wondering back and forth 400 years is no sweat for us. Our history is a SEQUENCE of events of equal importance and directly relevant to the present.

GR, I have no qualms about our Cypriot ancestors metamorphosing into Hellenic GreekCypriots and a few Turkish Cypriots, but they can have no bearing on the future of us Cypriots as a whole. Only something to be proud of, if that be te case.

[miltiades]

The future of this island belongs to the new generation of Cypriots , the young boys and girls that recently held a unity demonstration in Nicosia, the innocent little Cypriots who are neither Greeks nor Turks as yet , until the elders start feeling their little heads with the seeds of disunity , they are little Cypriots some that speak Greek , Turkish and some like my two both Greek and English.
Let the new buds develop into full grown adults that recognise their homeland and motherland as the island of Cyprus .

[Oracle]

I wish my son had never seen that monstrous Turkish flag, tattooed upon Cypriot soil, during our shopping trip to Nicosia

[YFred]

The future of this island belongs to the new generation of Cypriots , the young boys and girls that recently held a unity demonstration in Nicosia, the innocent little Cypriots who are neither Greeks nor Turks as yet , until the elders start feeling their little heads with the seeds of disunity , they are little Cypriots some that speak Greek , Turkish and some like my two both Greek and English.
Let the new buds develop into full grown adults that recognise their homeland and motherland as the island of Cyprus .

Only if we educate them to respect each other and live together like neighbours should. In the north there is plenty of activity to teach the children their Cypriotness. When I see children dancing the Orak wearing a vraga it fills me with joy. Not the crap I was forced to dance at school as a kid. Plenty of adults taking part in Pan-Cypriot activities with GCs. Long may it continue. The trouble is we can't leave it to the education system alone. We as parents have to explain the truth about Cyprus and not the biased views of some of the forumers.
But I have faith in the natural selection of humanity in most of us.

[shahmaran]

I wish my son had never seen that monstrous Turkish flag, tattooed upon Cypriot soil, during our shopping trip to Nicosia

I don't think some flag on a mountain could do him any further damage if the kid is being brought up with the sort of mentality you portray over here

Nice attempt of an emotional black mail though, it might have meant something if you had not posted 10,000 racist posts prior to it

[Viewpoint]

The future of this island belongs to the new generation of Cypriots , the young boys and girls that recently held a unity demonstration in Nicosia, the innocent little Cypriots who are neither Greeks nor Turks as yet , until the elders start feeling their little heads with the seeds of disunity , they are little Cypriots some that speak Greek , Turkish and some like my two both Greek and English.
Let the new buds develop into full grown adults that recognise their homeland and motherland as the island of Cyprus .

Only if we educate them to respect each other and live together like neighbours should. In the north there is plenty of activity to teach the children their Cypriotness. When I see children dancing the Orak wearing a vraga it fills me with joy. Not the crap I was forced to dance at school as a kid. Plenty of adults taking part in Pan-Cypriot activities with GCs. Long may it continue. The trouble is we can't leave it to the education system alone. We as parents have to explain the truth about Cyprus and not the biased views of some of the forumers.
But I have faith in the natural selection of humanity in most of us.

Do yuu see TC children commenting on GCs children being their brothers? they view them just as the view all other foreign visitors to the TRNC. The intercommunal events do not attract a very good turn out what happened at the last event organised by the 2 leaders wives? the turnout was terrible, everyone has lost interest and there is just no momentum becuase nobode truely believe a solution is possible.

[Piratis]

The fact of the matter is that we have the right to unite with whomever we want.

How could it be fine if Cyprus was part of the Ottoman or British empires, against the will of the native Cypriots, but not fine for Cyprus to be part of the Greek Republic, if this is what the vast majority of Cypriots themselves wanted?

You attacked and you continue to attack us in order to prevent Cyprus from being free. This is the Cyprus problem.

If it wasn't for the Turkish aggression and expansionism there wouldn't even be Turks in Cyprus to begin with.

See this is exactly where you go wrong being the majority does not mean you can do what you want to the detrement of others, if you all voted to behead female adultesses would that be right? There are somethings where you cannto disregard the opinion of a large percentage of your population escpecially when you ask them to sign their own death warrant.

But I never said that the majority can do whatever it wants on the detriment of others. This is only what you say.

Beheading female adulteresses is a human right violation. We never asked for the human rights of anybody to be violated. (this is what you are asking for, and you seek derogations from the EU aquis)

What we asked is what we had every right for. Our self-determination and freedom from foreign rulers. And self-determination means that you can democratically decide to unite with others. This is not something which violates the human rights of anybody.

In fact there is a UN resolution about decolonization that clearly states that " integration into an independent State" is one of the "three legitimate options of full self-government."
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

So how can you compare our right for self-determination with a crime like "Beheading female adulteresses"?? On the contrary, the crime was denying to the Cypriot people their freedom and self-determination, and the Turks did behead many innocent people in order to prevent Cyprus from being free:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

And in the 1950s, while we were again fighting against the British for our right for self-determination, you again choose to attack us in order to deny to us our rights.

And to excuse the crimes that you committed and which let us to the inter-communal conflict and the war of 74, you are trying to present our desire for freedom and self-determination as supposedly something terrible and wrong. You do this by using baseless and imaginary scenarios which have nothing to do with reality. The reality is that Cypriots wanted their self-determination which was their right and we have been attacked by you.

So don't put words in my mouth. What I support is democracy and a true democracy, the one you never allowed to exist in Cyprus, is one were all citizens are equal, one person one vote, and were you have majority rule AND human and minority rights.

So stop trying to make the lame argument that democracy and majority rule means no human or minority rights, and that if we have democracy all hell will break loose.

Can the "democracy" you crave give you the GCs the right to bring about capital punishment for women adultresses? a YES or NO is good enough to prove my point.

The answer is NO. So what point did you prove?

Probably you confuse the real democracy that I advocate with "democracies" like Turkey or non democracies like in other Muslim countries that "capital punishment for women adulteresses" is possible.

As I explained you already, democracy means both, majority rule AND human and minority rights. For your information in EU countries capital punishment is prohibited even for serious crimes.

Its not the democracy that frightens us but the people who you demand should administer it named the "majority" being the GCs. We need safeguards and plenty of them to defend our rights therefore guaranteeing we have an effective say in our own future.

Here we go with the "evil" GCs theories again and the lame excuse to deny democracy from Cyprus. It is this mentality of yours that caused the conflicts. There would be no conflicts at all if you respected democracy to begin with.

You say there is no factual evidence that your "democratic" right to gift Cyprus to Greece would in fact have meant my anniahalation, well thank god there is none as I would not be here to write this post..

Not only there is no evidence to support your baseless imaginary scenarios, but the evidence point to the contrary. Rhodes united with Greece in 1947 and Rhodes also has a Turkish minority on it. Nothing happened to them.

a large portion of the "Cypriot" population opposed becoming part of Greece and wanted to stay independent your rentless mindless actions that it was your right forced the TC hand to beg for help from Turkey in the shape of Taksim, so again you have been your own worst enemy as if you would have embraced independence and building of one Cypriot people including the TCs you would have divided the island.

First of all when you came up with Taksim Cyprus was not independent, and you had not even proposed independence. Cyprus was part of the British and earlier Ottoman empires. So how could it be fine for Cyprus to be part of the British or Ottoman empires against the will of the vast majority of Cypriots, but not OK for Cyprus to be part of Greece which is what most of the Cypriots themselves wanted?

Not only that, but uniting our island with whomever we democratically choose was in fact our right, as clearly stated by the UN resolution for decolonization which clearly states that "integration into an independent State" is one of the " three legitimate options of full self-government."
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

What is more humane forcing someone to live in another country which they want nothing to do with or giving you a share of a country so you can do whatever you wish, out of the 2 options Taksim is much fairer that enosis, we both get to live as we wish, you only problem is your greed for more land.

Nobody forced you to live in Cyprus. On the contrary you are the ones who came on this island with the aim to enslave and exploit us.

After being ruled by foreigners for centuries we had every right for our self-determination, and self-determination also means the right to unite with whomever we democratically choose.

Union with Greece was the right of Cypriots and would violate the human rights of nobody. All you have against union with Greece is some imaginary and baseless scenarios and nothing more.

On the other hand taksim, means the ethnic cleaning of 100s of thousands of people from their homeland and a ton of other human rights violations.

And then you have the nerve to say that the only problem with partition is our "greed"?? So it our "greed" that we want to live in our own land, and not your greed that you want to steal our land? You are shameless!