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[YFred]

There's a huge turkish flag we wake up to every day and go to sleep under its blinking lights every night. We all see it, the wife, the kids, me. My kid is 4 soon, and soon the questions will start, when that starts there's another generation we'll lose.

In huge football pitch sized letters you tell us on Pendadaktylos what a joy it is to be a turk. As if emphasising what a disaster it is to be his neighbour.

Do you not realise that people are living the misery the turkish army caused in 1974 TODAY? I would understand this mockery had it been solved in an amicable partitioned way...but there's an open wound and you've managed to make your flag a loathed symbol for thousands of people that see it every day.

I was one of the few people that did not get angry at Sotos's depiction of the turkish flag as a piece of shit a while back. I believe your flag will get the respect from others that you yourself give to it. If you use your flag to mock, remind or taunt others for their loss then that flag should be taken for what you yourselves use it as. A symbol very similar to the one finger salute.

I realise I've only taken a shallow view of hatred on this post by only concentrating on an ottoman pr exercise but I believe it is an important example/

When will you realise that while the TCs are shackled by the RoC, they will not tackle anything that upsets Turkey.
When will you realise that Only when TC's be given the freedom to trade, will they be able to distant themselves from all the symbolisms.
I as a TC, have no flag in my house and have no crescent-star hanging on my neck. I have been like this since 1976, after I begun to understand the cyprus problem and its real roots.
When will you stop referring to the TCs as if they are all one fanatic group of people.
Wake up and understand reality.
In a roundabout way the RoC makes sure its there, and I equally believe that there are those in the RoC who do not wish it to be removed for their personal interests.

[denizaksulu]

There's a huge turkish flag we wake up to every day and go to sleep under its blinking lights every night. We all see it, the wife, the kids, me. My kid is 4 soon, and soon the questions will start, when that starts there's another generation we'll lose.

In huge football pitch sized letters you tell us on Pendadaktylos what a joy it is to be a turk. As if emphasising what a disaster it is to be his neighbour.

Do you not realise that people are living the misery the turkish army caused in 1974 TODAY? I would understand this mockery had it been solved in an amicable partitioned way...but there's an open wound and you've managed to make your flag a loathed symbol for thousands of people that see it every day.

I was one of the few people that did not get angry at Sotos's depiction of the turkish flag as a piece of shit a while back. I believe your flag will get the respect from others that you yourself give to it. If you use your flag to mock, remind or taunt others for their loss then that flag should be taken for what you yourselves use it as. A symbol very similar to the one finger salute.

I realise I've only taken a shallow view of hatred on this post by only concentrating on an ottoman pr exercise but I believe it is an important example/

No need to tell me about the Flags on the Mountain DT. Perhaps I was the first to question its use up there. I even opened a thread on the subject. I also see the flags as 'a one finger salute' and I strongly object against it.

Your hatred towards the Ottomans might be accepted, but to extend that hatred ot the Turkish/Moslem Cypriots is non-sensicle.

[denizaksulu]

Piratis, we have been over this for so many times. Your hatred for the Turk is akin for the hatred of the French towards the British. Pehaps the Ottomans should have left the Greeks of Cyprus to suffer at the hands of the Venetians. Since 1571, the people of Cyprus have been oppressed by the Ottomans, whether muslim or orthodox. We rebelled against the Porte together for christs sake. You are so blinded you have decided to ignore anything that we have to say. Will you always blame the sins of our fathers on to us Piratis. The past is dead, look to the future for once. Bringing tepast up non-stop only achieves one thing. That one thing is certainly NOT re-unification. As I said previously, you and a few others are number one 'Partitionists'. For this alone you should be tried for treason. Tried, Hung and quartered. IMHO.

Have a good day and run along to church and purge yourself of sinful thoughts.

I was considering saying the same thing to him and GR but could not bring myself to say it.
Nevertheless well said.
I would have added a fair trial and then hung, I think would have better effect.

Deniz's response was stupid not "well said"! You do NOT justify ones crimes against a people by assuming and suggesting that the previous criminal was worse!

Grow up the both of you!

Those who don’t like being hated should STOP being hateful by abiding by international law and respecting the human rights of others. End of story!

I will igore your 'pleasantries' with contempt that it deserves. I couldnt or wouldnt expect anything better from Piratis' right hand man.

[Get Real!]

Your hatred towards the Ottomans might be accepted, but to extend that hatred ot the Turkish/Moslem Cypriots is non-sensicle.

Turkish Cypriot attempts to disassociate themselves from the Ottomans are both silly and futile.

I’d ask you to read your history but I’m sure you have, so now I’ll ask that you believe it!

[denizaksulu]

Your hatred towards the Ottomans might be accepted, but to extend that hatred ot the Turkish/Moslem Cypriots is non-sensicle.

Turkish Cypriot attempts to disassociate themselves from the Ottomans are both silly and futile.

I’d ask you to read your history but I’m sure you have, so now I’ll ask that you believe it!

You need to see a Psychiatrist GR.

[Get Real!]

Your hatred towards the Ottomans might be accepted, but to extend that hatred ot the Turkish/Moslem Cypriots is non-sensicle.

Turkish Cypriot attempts to disassociate themselves from the Ottomans are both silly and futile.

I’d ask you to read your history but I’m sure you have, so now I’ll ask that you believe it!

You need to see a Psychiatrist GR.

Why... to convince me that Turkish Cypriots are not associated with the Ottomans? It must be the shrink you've been seeing!

[denizaksulu]

Your hatred towards the Ottomans might be accepted, but to extend that hatred ot the Turkish/Moslem Cypriots is non-sensicle.

Turkish Cypriot attempts to disassociate themselves from the Ottomans are both silly and futile.

I’d ask you to read your history but I’m sure you have, so now I’ll ask that you believe it!

You need to see a Psychiatrist GR.

Why... to convince me that Turkish Cypriots are not associated with the Ottomans? It must be the shrink you've been seeing!

You and Piratis live too much in the past. Not ver healthy, that. About time you got a reality check.

[Get Real!]

Your hatred towards the Ottomans might be accepted, but to extend that hatred ot the Turkish/Moslem Cypriots is non-sensicle.

Turkish Cypriot attempts to disassociate themselves from the Ottomans are both silly and futile.

I’d ask you to read your history but I’m sure you have, so now I’ll ask that you believe it!

You need to see a Psychiatrist GR.

Why... to convince me that Turkish Cypriots are not associated with the Ottomans? It must be the shrink you've been seeing!

You and Piratis live too much in the past. Not ver healthy, that. About time you got a reality check.

The Greek Cypriots have inherited 10,000+ years of history, so wondering back and forth 400 years is no sweat for us. Our history is a SEQUENCE of events of equal importance and directly relevant to the present.

[insan]

Why would I hate GC's?

How can I? I live with them over here

Over where ?
You also tend to always refer to us G/Cs as Greeks , we are not Greeks we are Greek Cypriots , massive difference , same as you being called an Anatolian Turk which you are not .

Miltiades, if there was a massive difference between Greeks and GCs; then when back in 2004 TPap called all "Greeks of Cyprus"(He exactly used these words) to vote against the Annan Plan, shouldn't all GCs have voted in favour of Annan Plan to protest TPap. Was TPap an enemy of Cypriotism or Greek Cypriotism? If he was, how he had been so popular among vast majority of so-called Cypriots or Greek Cypriots? Most of the then Greek parliamentarians emphasized his death as a big loss for Hellenism.

[Viewpoint]

The fact of the matter is that we have the right to unite with whomever we want.

How could it be fine if Cyprus was part of the Ottoman or British empires, against the will of the native Cypriots, but not fine for Cyprus to be part of the Greek Republic, if this is what the vast majority of Cypriots themselves wanted?

You attacked and you continue to attack us in order to prevent Cyprus from being free. This is the Cyprus problem.

If it wasn't for the Turkish aggression and expansionism there wouldn't even be Turks in Cyprus to begin with.

See this is exactly where you go wrong being the majority does not mean you can do what you want to the detrement of others, if you all voted to behead female adultesses would that be right? There are somethings where you cannto disregard the opinion of a large percentage of your population escpecially when you ask them to sign their own death warrant.

But I never said that the majority can do whatever it wants on the detriment of others. This is only what you say.

Beheading female adulteresses is a human right violation. We never asked for the human rights of anybody to be violated. (this is what you are asking for, and you seek derogations from the EU aquis)

What we asked is what we had every right for. Our self-determination and freedom from foreign rulers. And self-determination means that you can democratically decide to unite with others. This is not something which violates the human rights of anybody.

In fact there is a UN resolution about decolonization that clearly states that " integration into an independent State" is one of the "three legitimate options of full self-government."
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

So how can you compare our right for self-determination with a crime like "Beheading female adulteresses"?? On the contrary, the crime was denying to the Cypriot people their freedom and self-determination, and the Turks did behead many innocent people in order to prevent Cyprus from being free:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

And in the 1950s, while we were again fighting against the British for our right for self-determination, you again choose to attack us in order to deny to us our rights.

And to excuse the crimes that you committed and which let us to the inter-communal conflict and the war of 74, you are trying to present our desire for freedom and self-determination as supposedly something terrible and wrong. You do this by using baseless and imaginary scenarios which have nothing to do with reality. The reality is that Cypriots wanted their self-determination which was their right and we have been attacked by you.

So don't put words in my mouth. What I support is democracy and a true democracy, the one you never allowed to exist in Cyprus, is one were all citizens are equal, one person one vote, and were you have majority rule AND human and minority rights.

So stop trying to make the lame argument that democracy and majority rule means no human or minority rights, and that if we have democracy all hell will break loose.

Can the "democracy" you crave give you the GCs the right to bring about capital punishment for women adultresses? a YES or NO is good enough to prove my point. Its not the democracy that frightens us but the people who you demand should administer it named the "majority" being the GCs. We need safeguards and plenty of them to defend our rights therefore guaranteeing we have an effective say in our own future.

You say there is no factual evidence that your "democratic" right to gift Cyprus to Greece would in fact have meant my anniahalation, well thank god there is none as I would not be here to write this post..a large portion of the "Cypriot" population opposed becoming part of Greece and wanted to stay independent your rentless mindless actions that it was your right forced the TC hand to beg for help from Turkey in the shape of Taksim, so again you have been your own worst enemy as if you would have embraced independence and building of one Cypriot people including the TCs you would have divided the island.

What is more humane forcing someone to live in another country which they want nothing to do with or giving you a share of a country so you can do whatever you wish, out of the 2 options Taksim is much fairer that enosis, we both get to live as we wish, you only problem is your greed for more land.