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Politically Irresponsible Cypriots

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Piratis » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:16 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:The fact of the matter is that we have the right to unite with whomever we want.

How could it be fine if Cyprus was part of the Ottoman or British empires, against the will of the native Cypriots, but not fine for Cyprus to be part of the Greek Republic, if this is what the vast majority of Cypriots themselves wanted?

You attacked and you continue to attack us in order to prevent Cyprus from being free. This is the Cyprus problem.

If it wasn't for the Turkish aggression and expansionism there wouldn't even be Turks in Cyprus to begin with.


See this is exactly where you go wrong being the majority does not mean you can do what you want to the detrement of others, if you all voted to behead female adultesses would that be right? There are somethings where you cannto disregard the opinion of a large percentage of your population escpecially when you ask them to sign their own death warrant.

But I never said that the majority can do whatever it wants on the detriment of others. This is only what you say.

Beheading female adulteresses is a human right violation. We never asked for the human rights of anybody to be violated. (this is what you are asking for, and you seek derogations from the EU aquis)

What we asked is what we had every right for. Our self-determination and freedom from foreign rulers. And self-determination means that you can democratically decide to unite with others. This is not something which violates the human rights of anybody.

In fact there is a UN resolution about decolonization that clearly states that " integration into an independent State" is one of the "three legitimate options of full self-government."
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

So how can you compare our right for self-determination with a crime like "Beheading female adulteresses"?? On the contrary, the crime was denying to the Cypriot people their freedom and self-determination, and the Turks did behead many innocent people in order to prevent Cyprus from being free:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.


And in the 1950s, while we were again fighting against the British for our right for self-determination, you again choose to attack us in order to deny to us our rights.

And to excuse the crimes that you committed and which let us to the inter-communal conflict and the war of 74, you are trying to present our desire for freedom and self-determination as supposedly something terrible and wrong. You do this by using baseless and imaginary scenarios which have nothing to do with reality. The reality is that Cypriots wanted their self-determination which was their right and we have been attacked by you.

So don't put words in my mouth. What I support is democracy and a true democracy, the one you never allowed to exist in Cyprus, is one were all citizens are equal, one person one vote, and were you have majority rule AND human and minority rights.

So stop trying to make the lame argument that democracy and majority rule means no human or minority rights, and that if we have democracy all hell will break loose.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Feb 22, 2009 11:23 am

utu wrote:I personally believe that a lot of the Turk and Turkish Cypriot haters on this forum DON'T want any solution and want to retain the status quo. Judging from their statements, they need something to hate in order to survive. Remove the Turkish occupation, have the island reunited, and have the island populace living in an indepenent and peaceful Cyprus, and the end result is that their lives will figurtively cease to exist as there will be no hate to give rheir lives meaning. Their purpose in life is simply to hate Turks...


Yes utu, remove the Turkish occupation, have the island reunited, and have the island populace living in an independent and peaceful Cyprus, and the end result is that Turk haters will cease to exist.

The Turkish occupation, the human rights violations and the stealing of our lands is what creates the hate. Remove the cause of the hate, and the hate will disappear.
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Postby shahmaran » Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:34 pm

Turk haters here never ceased to exist and they never will, people like you make sure they are alive and kicking until the day this island is fully Greek.

And we will always make sure that we will not fall for the same mistake the second time.
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Postby miltiades » Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:45 pm

shahmaran wrote:Turk haters here never ceased to exist and they never will, people like you make sure they are alive and kicking until the day this island is fully Greek.

And we will always make sure that we will not fall for the same mistake the second time.

I wonder if there are any G/C haters around , for instance you !
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Postby shahmaran » Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:48 pm

Why would I hate GC's?

How can I? I live with them over here :)
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Postby miltiades » Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:52 pm

shahmaran wrote:Why would I hate GC's?

How can I? I live with them over here :)

Over where ?
You also tend to always refer to us G/Cs as Greeks , we are not Greeks we are Greek Cypriots , massive difference , same as you being called an Anatolian Turk which you are not .
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Postby shahmaran » Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:59 pm

miltiades wrote:
shahmaran wrote:Why would I hate GC's?

How can I? I live with them over here :)

Over where ?
You also tend to always refer to us G/Cs as Greeks , we are not Greeks we are Greek Cypriots , massive difference , same as you being called an Anatolian Turk which you are not .


Over in Cyprus of course! :)

Well, do we really not need to keep reminding that we are all Cypriots every time we want to address an individual group on the island, that's pretty obvious isn't it?
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Feb 22, 2009 1:48 pm

Some of you make it sound like it is illegal or taboo to hate! :lol:

Where did you get that from? :?

Hate is one of the many natural emotions that come about when someone has shown animosity or dislike towards you, so you return the favor in kind!

The Turks have shown hate towards the Greek Cypriots since the 14th century with countless acts of barbaric aggression against them, so to suggest that Greek Cypriots are wrong to hate Turkey is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard! :roll:

Greek Cypriots justifiably HATE Turks… GET OVER IT!
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Postby YFred » Sun Feb 22, 2009 1:56 pm

Certain members of this forum are not fully aware that hatred does more harm to themselves then their enemies.
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Feb 22, 2009 1:58 pm

YFred wrote:Certain members of this forum are not fully aware that hatred does more harm to themselves then their enemies.

Hatred is EARNED so learn to put the blame where it belongs.
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