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[Oracle]

Seems to me those using misogynistic terms are suffering from an inability to comprehend what our French EU-comember meant, when he described the Turks as Asian ... or is it a simple case of Turkish denials again

[runaway]

Seems to me those using misogynistic terms are suffering from an inability to comprehend what our French EU-comember meant, when he described the Turks as Asian ... or is it a simple case of Turkish denials again

Sarkozy referred to geography of Turkey being in Asia. One needs to ask him where South Cyprus, Azerbaijan,Armenia,Georgia (full members of Council of Europe) stand on the map.

[CopperLine]

As any Greek worth their salt would know Europa was raped by the Greek god Zeus having been lured from her homeland ? And where was Europa's homeland ? Phoenicia i.e, modern day Lebanon/Antakya.

If you self-styled Greeks will peddle in myths you'd better get them right

[Oracle]

CopperLine is drunk again ... can't distinguish between Myth and reality, poor sod.

Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with Sarkozy's comment ... about Turkey being in Asia Minor. At least he was diplomatic enough not to mention where Turks belong

[Piratis]

Of course we are European. If it wasn't for 3+ centuries of Ottoman oppression and the invasion of 1974, Cyprus today would be at same level as any other western European country. Just look at how much we have achieved in just a few decades of of semi-independence, even though we had to deal with the constant aggression of the Turks, 200.000 of refugees (1/3rd of our population) and the stealing of 1/3rd of our land and half of our natural resources.

What I support is democracy, and political equality among citizens. No matter what is discussed and what you say, in the end it is I and the majority of the Cypriot people who will decide what we want for our own island. Your blackmail will not pass.

We are not questioning you milking recognition for all its worth a baboon could do the same given the circumstances.

What we are discussing is that you have no right to put a large portion of your population safety in danger hoping for the best as it is not your head on the chopping block you would probably be the one in the front of the GC crowding clapping as the TCs head roll of the block.

Do you understand that your leader is now negotiating BBF with politcal equality??

The ones who chop of heads are the Turks, and they do so in order to deny to Cypriots their freedom:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Rhodes, which also has a Turkish minority, united with Greece in 1947 and nobody was harmed. The Turkish minority there didn't attack the majority in order to deny to them their right for self-determination, as you did in 1958, and therefore there was no conflict and no casualties.

So stop making baseless imaginary scenarios about what supposedly would have happened to you if Cyprus united with Greece, in order to excuse the actual fact of your attacks against us.

If you had respected the right of Cypriots for self-determination instead of trying to impose your will by force as your Ottoman ancestors did, then we would have all decided in a peaceful and democratic way the destiny of our island, and there would be no conflict, no wars and no suffering for anybody.

[Piratis]

Turkey did say that if ever a lasting solution is found which guarantees our safety she will leave, obviously that wont work for you because you would first have to pull your head out of your arse and see that Turkey is here because our neighbours really can be violent bastards and Turkey is not here to stay.

Plus I know all about the EU spirit and I can tell you for sure that it does not exist in Cyprus, the only reason corrupt "ROC" ever made it in there was because the Greeks have been the historical suck ups of the European big boys, that's all.

Why else would a corrupt country which doesn't even fall into "Europe" be in the EU?

Turkey is an occupying force. If Turks were not the imperialistic aggressive scumbags that they are then there wouldn't be any Turks in Cyprus to begin with.

Cyprus is a Greek island, and the Greek civilization is the basis of the European civilization.

The Turks on the other hand are Muslims from Mongolia, and they have nothing in common with the European civilization. (or any civilization for that matter)

You invited the Turkish Army here and they will not leave until a solution is found.

Cyprus has never been or will never be a Greek island.

Muslims from Mongolia?? what does that mean, does it mean they are any less human than you??? You show the clear signs of the discrimination we would face in a united Cyprus, hate the thought of my child being interviewed for a job by GCs with your mindset like Zeliş they would have failed for just being a TC.

Safeguards safeguards and more safeguards the only way we will ever agree unification.

Cyprus is and will always be a Greek island. What I mean by Mongolian Muslims is simply that you do not fit here and in Europe in general. You came as foreign invaders and you never managed to assimilate with the native population.

And stop making jokes about you agreeing on unification. You will never agree on true unification. What you want is to steal our lands. We know this 1000% already. So stop saying jokes about you agreeing for unification. You will never agree.

We cannot steal what is already ours, Cyprus belongs to us just as much as it belongs to you. Individual land ownershiop is another matter this issue will be addressed separately where can can either return to live in a TC state or financial compensation.

The island is not Greek never will be so get used to it, its Cypriot. Are we not Cypriots? its this mindset that will ensure many more years of division keep up the good work as you dont have a chnace in hell of getting any TCs to agree with to make a difference.

Not only you stole the land of 100s of thousands of innocent people, since the last you currently illegally occupy belongs to GCs by 82%, but also the 100% of Cyprus belongs to Republic of Cyprus, the sovereignty of which you are violating.

You can have have your share of this island only through Republic of Cyprus, and you have absolutely no right to illegally occupy land of Republic of Cyprus and declare on it some Turkish state.

[Piratis]

Of course we are European. If it wasn't for 3+ centuries of Ottoman oppression and the invasion of 1974, Cyprus today would be at same level as any other western European country. Just look at how much we have achieved in just a few decades of of semi-independence, even though we had to deal with the constant aggression of the Turks, 200.000 of refugees (1/3rd of our population) and the stealing of 1/3rd of our land and half of our natural resources.

What I support is democracy, and political equality among citizens. No matter what is discussed and what you say, in the end it is I and the majority of the Cypriot people who will decide what we want for our own island. Your blackmail will not pass.

Nobody beats Piratis for sheer whinging guff !

"If it wasn't of 3+ centuries of ...." Cyprus is not that different from Crete, from Corsica, from Malta, from Sardinia or any other mediterranean island in terms of development....

And as for 'constant aggression' from the Turks, what historical crap. Was Cyprus a British colony or not for most of the twentieth century ? The period in which the most rapid economic and social change passed through Europe, Cyprus included ? And if you compare Cyprus's history with virtually every other European state over the last three hundred years it has enjoyed relative peace and stability. What, Piratis, was the level achieved by those European countries - France, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Germany, Czech & Slovak republics, Poland, Greece, Turkey, Balkan countries etc - which suffered massive social and economic trauma through the nineteenth and twentieth centuries which simply passed Cyprus by.

Get a sense of proportion man !

You are the one who needs to get a sense of proportion. Which other European country had one third of its land occupied for decades, one third of its population as refugees, and over half of its resources stolen?

And the Ottoman rule kept Cyprus, the rest of Greece and many other European places in the dark ages. Eastern Europe used to be the most prosperous and developed part of Europe before the arrival of the Ottomans. With the Ottomans there was regression and Western Europe went far ahead of us. This is why all those rapid economic and social changes happened mostly in the West. Because we were unlucky to be under the Ottomans during the previous centuries and we didn't have the infrastructure and enough educated people in order to achieve something similar.

What we have achieved, we only achieved it during the last few decades, even though the Turks continued to harm us. We had to work hard in order to come close to Western Europe standards and coven in some decades the progress which has been denied to us for centuries.

[miltiades]

Piratis , I think I may have asked you this before cant remember but can you tell us how you would react given the reunification of our island and the emergence of a Pan Cypriot political party that had as its leader a T/C . Would you ever support a democratic party that had as its leader a T/C who could at an election become the President of Cyprus.Im certain you are fully familiar with the electorate and party administration in the UK , and its precisely this that I have in mind.

[Piratis]

Miltiades, as you know Karoyian is of Armenian descent and he is the president of the 3rd largest party in Cyprus and President of the House of Representatives. He was elected in the parliament by receiving votes multiple times the size of the whole Armenian community.

So we don't need to take any lessons from the UK.

Unfortunately in Cyprus people were divided based on their religion since Ottoman times, and this anachronism was forced in Cyprus with the 1960 agreements as well.

In elections I don't vote people based on their ethnicity, but based on their position on various issues, and on how capable I believe they are. I am sure there are many TCs that can meet these criteria, if they are allowed to care for Cyprus as a whole instead of only the interests of their community and the interests of Turkey.

[runaway]

Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with Sarkozy's comment ... about Turkey being in Asia Minor. :

Where do you think South Cyprus belongs being 70 km SOUTH of Turkey?