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[Get Real!]

funny how turkey is so quick to push for 50% power as a minority in cyprus and the kurds in turkey get nothing but a big F .U .... and its unacceptable for them to even breath

Do the Kurds have any sort of international agreement like we do with you guys?

What international agreement do you have?

[Kikapu]

Kikapu playing judge jury and executioner yet again, your plan has been rejected therefore null and void. Now if you really want to create political equality of the 2 states then guarantee the 5TCs 5GCs structure in the upper house and we may get somewhere, otherwise your plan is just to risky and dangerous for my community...so it is there been rejected yet again.

President Talat has more important issues to deal with than review your faulty and dangerous plan produced by a wouldbe amature who wants to drop us right in the shit.

Now if you really want to create political equality of the 2 states then guarantee the 5TCs 5GCs structure in the upper house and we may get somewhere,

The above is not possible under True Democracy, since there are other communities in Cyprus, such as the Armenians, Maronites , Latins and others. You will need to give each of them 5 seats to be fair, which means we are back to Utu's plan, which you also rejected.

I can write you an Undemocratic plan so good (bad), it will leave the Annan Plan in it's dust. It will be so Undemocratic, even Bananiot will vote NO and Denktash would vote YES.!

Now, please answer the question below.!

"what does "political equality of the 2 states means"

In the case of uniting Cyprus.. political equality of the 2 states means;

Guaranteed 50/50 reperesentation in upper house neither harms the interests of each community. Neither community may swing the power in the favor therefore avoiding the domination of one over the other.

How is the above Democratic.?

That would mean, that GC's living in the north state, are disenfranchised from voting for the upper house, all the while paying taxes, which will be challenged as being unconstitutional and the EU will never allow such an outright violation of Democracy. The same would be the same for the TC's living in the south state, of course.! We are talking about a plan that does not violate anyone’s Democratic and Human Rights. Your above suggestions violates all those rights.!

Their votes will of course count in the lower house in fact they will have the balance in their favour, the upper house cna be formed of members selected by elected members of the lower house.

Please explain yourself with examples and numbers and what mechanism will you use in the lower house's selection of the upper house's members. Since there will be GC's living in the north state, they will be able to vote for a GC members from some districts that may have a GC majority into the lower house in the north state, which means, there may be some GC's in the lower house who are from the north state, which along with the TC members, they will select 5 members to the upper house to represent the north state. Is this what you mean, and if so, are you now not concerned the GC's "flooding" the north to increase their numbers in the lower house, hence eventually having enough members, so that they will start choosing GC members into the upper house.

Again, if you can explain yourself to would make us understand, it would be very helpful. It sounds as if it can be somewhat democratic, so lets hear the details.

[YFred]

Kikapu playing judge jury and executioner yet again, your plan has been rejected therefore null and void. Now if you really want to create political equality of the 2 states then guarantee the 5TCs 5GCs structure in the upper house and we may get somewhere, otherwise your plan is just to risky and dangerous for my community...so it is there been rejected yet again.

President Talat has more important issues to deal with than review your faulty and dangerous plan produced by a wouldbe amature who wants to drop us right in the shit.

Now if you really want to create political equality of the 2 states then guarantee the 5TCs 5GCs structure in the upper house and we may get somewhere,

The above is not possible under True Democracy, since there are other communities in Cyprus, such as the Armenians, Maronites , Latins and others. You will need to give each of them 5 seats to be fair, which means we are back to Utu's plan, which you also rejected.

I can write you an Undemocratic plan so good (bad), it will leave the Annan Plan in it's dust. It will be so Undemocratic, even Bananiot will vote NO and Denktash would vote YES.!

Now, please answer the question below.!

"what does "political equality of the 2 states means"

In the case of uniting Cyprus.. political equality of the 2 states means;

Guaranteed 50/50 reperesentation in upper house neither harms the interests of each community. Neither community may swing the power in the favor therefore avoiding the domination of one over the other.

How is the above Democratic.?

That would mean, that GC's living in the north state, are disenfranchised from voting for the upper house, all the while paying taxes, which will be challenged as being unconstitutional and the EU will never allow such an outright violation of Democracy. The same would be the same for the TC's living in the south state, of course.! We are talking about a plan that does not violate anyone’s Democratic and Human Rights. Your above suggestions violates all those rights.!

Their votes will of course count in the lower house in fact they will have the balance in their favour, the upper house cna be formed of members selected by elected members of the lower house.

Please explain yourself with examples and numbers and what mechanism will you use in the lower house's selection of the upper house's members. Since there will be GC's living in the north state, they will be able to vote for a GC members from some districts that may have a GC majority into the lower house in the north state, which means, there may be some GC's in the lower house who are from the north state, which along with the TC members, they will select 5 members to the upper house to represent the north state. Is this what you mean, and if so, are you now not concerned the GC's "flooding" the north to increase their numbers in the lower house, hence eventually having enough members, so that they will start choosing GC members into the upper house.

Again, if you can explain yourself to would make us understand, it would be very helpful. It sounds as if it can be somewhat democratic, so lets hear the details.

K,
why are you ignoring my suggestion?
There is only one way to resolve this issue to the satisfaction of everyone concerned and that is to have a nominated upper house not elected.
Perfectly acceptable to the EU, and resolves all the TC fears as well as maximising the number of refugees that wish to return.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu playing judge jury and executioner yet again, your plan has been rejected therefore null and void. Now if you really want to create political equality of the 2 states then guarantee the 5TCs 5GCs structure in the upper house and we may get somewhere, otherwise your plan is just to risky and dangerous for my community...so it is there been rejected yet again.

President Talat has more important issues to deal with than review your faulty and dangerous plan produced by a wouldbe amature who wants to drop us right in the shit.

Now if you really want to create political equality of the 2 states then guarantee the 5TCs 5GCs structure in the upper house and we may get somewhere,

The above is not possible under True Democracy, since there are other communities in Cyprus, such as the Armenians, Maronites , Latins and others. You will need to give each of them 5 seats to be fair, which means we are back to Utu's plan, which you also rejected.

I can write you an Undemocratic plan so good (bad), it will leave the Annan Plan in it's dust. It will be so Undemocratic, even Bananiot will vote NO and Denktash would vote YES.!

Now, please answer the question below.!

"what does "political equality of the 2 states means"

In the case of uniting Cyprus.. political equality of the 2 states means;

Guaranteed 50/50 reperesentation in upper house neither harms the interests of each community. Neither community may swing the power in the favor therefore avoiding the domination of one over the other.

How is the above Democratic.?

That would mean, that GC's living in the north state, are disenfranchised from voting for the upper house, all the while paying taxes, which will be challenged as being unconstitutional and the EU will never allow such an outright violation of Democracy. The same would be the same for the TC's living in the south state, of course.! We are talking about a plan that does not violate anyone’s Democratic and Human Rights. Your above suggestions violates all those rights.!

Their votes will of course count in the lower house in fact they will have the balance in their favour, the upper house cna be formed of members selected by elected members of the lower house.

Please explain yourself with examples and numbers and what mechanism will you use in the lower house's selection of the upper house's members. Since there will be GC's living in the north state, they will be able to vote for a GC members from some districts that may have a GC majority into the lower house in the north state, which means, there may be some GC's in the lower house who are from the north state, which along with the TC members, they will select 5 members to the upper house to represent the north state. Is this what you mean, and if so, are you now not concerned the GC's "flooding" the north to increase their numbers in the lower house, hence eventually having enough members, so that they will start choosing GC members into the upper house.

Again, if you can explain yourself to would make us understand, it would be very helpful. It sounds as if it can be somewhat democratic, so lets hear the details.

The upper house can be made up of members from the lower house if there is say a balance of say 6GC and only 4TC members thent the GCs will have to get at 2 TC votes if the wish to get a bill through if that is not possible then the president or vice president will decide but with any luck it will not come to that becuase if the bill is for the benefit of everyone then it will fly through.

[Oracle]

Just a quick reminder to our learned friends ...

Turkey will never join the EU!

[insan]

Just a quick reminder to our learned friends ...

Turkey will never join the EU!

The grand bossey of EU decided.

[Oracle]

Do you wanna join?

[miltiades]

Lets hope that Turkey does join the EU , it will be good for the region but most importantly it will be for the good of Cyprus .

[insan]

Do you wanna join?

For me, personally; it does not matter whether she joins or not. In Turkey and in Cyprus, majority of Turks/TCs want Turkey to join EU. On the other hand some 45% of Turks/TCs don't want Turkey to join EU. U and ur alikes, helps a lot to those 45% of Turks/TCs opposing Turkey's EU accession. Vast majority of 45% r nationalists/Kemalists(so called Ataturkians)/ultra nationalists/religous fundamentalists/far leftists. U and ur alikes have at least one common cause with those 45%.

[growuptcs]

Do you wanna join?

For me, personally; it does not matter whether she joins or not. In Turkey and in Cyprus, majority of Turks/TCs want Turkey to join EU. On the other hand some 45% of Turks/TCs don't want Turkey to join EU. U and ur alikes, helps a lot to those 45% of Turks/TCs opposing Turkey's EU accession. Vast majority of 45% r nationalists/Kemalists(so called Ataturkians)/ultra nationalists/religous fundamentalists/far leftists. U and ur alikes have at least one common cause with those 45%.

And what's that common cause? That whatever they digest comes out of the same hole in their body.