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[Kikapu]

Kikapu playing judge jury and executioner yet again, your plan has been rejected therefore null and void. Now if you really want to create political equality of the 2 states then guarantee the 5TCs 5GCs structure in the upper house and we may get somewhere, otherwise your plan is just to risky and dangerous for my community...so it is there been rejected yet again.

President Talat has more important issues to deal with than review your faulty and dangerous plan produced by a wouldbe amature who wants to drop us right in the shit.

Now if you really want to create political equality of the 2 states then guarantee the 5TCs 5GCs structure in the upper house and we may get somewhere,

The above is not possible under True Democracy, since there are other communities in Cyprus, such as the Armenians, Maronites , Latins and others. You will need to give each of them 5 seats to be fair, which means we are back to Utu's plan, which you also rejected.

I can write you an Undemocratic plan so good (bad), it will leave the Annan Plan in it's dust. It will be so Undemocratic, even Bananiot will vote NO and Denktash would vote YES.!

Now, please answer the question below.!

"what does "political equality of the 2 states means"

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu playing judge jury and executioner yet again, your plan has been rejected therefore null and void. Now if you really want to create political equality of the 2 states then guarantee the 5TCs 5GCs structure in the upper house and we may get somewhere, otherwise your plan is just to risky and dangerous for my community...so it is there been rejected yet again.

President Talat has more important issues to deal with than review your faulty and dangerous plan produced by a wouldbe amature who wants to drop us right in the shit.

Now if you really want to create political equality of the 2 states then guarantee the 5TCs 5GCs structure in the upper house and we may get somewhere,

The above is not possible under True Democracy, since there are other communities in Cyprus, such as the Armenians, Maronites , Latins and others. You will need to give each of them 5 seats to be fair, which means we are back to Utu's plan, which you also rejected.

I can write you an Undemocratic plan so good (bad), it will leave the Annan Plan in it's dust. It will be so Undemocratic, even Bananiot will vote NO and Denktash would vote YES.!

Now, please answer the question below.!

"what does "political equality of the 2 states means"

In the case of uniting Cyprus.. political equality of the 2 states means;

Guaranteed 50/50 reperesentation in upper house neither harms the interests of each community. Neither community may swing the power in the favor therefore avoiding the domination of one over the other.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu playing judge jury and executioner yet again, your plan has been rejected therefore null and void. Now if you really want to create political equality of the 2 states then guarantee the 5TCs 5GCs structure in the upper house and we may get somewhere, otherwise your plan is just to risky and dangerous for my community...so it is there been rejected yet again.

President Talat has more important issues to deal with than review your faulty and dangerous plan produced by a wouldbe amature who wants to drop us right in the shit.

Now if you really want to create political equality of the 2 states then guarantee the 5TCs 5GCs structure in the upper house and we may get somewhere,

The above is not possible under True Democracy, since there are other communities in Cyprus, such as the Armenians, Maronites , Latins and others. You will need to give each of them 5 seats to be fair, which means we are back to Utu's plan, which you also rejected.

I can write you an Undemocratic plan so good (bad), it will leave the Annan Plan in it's dust. It will be so Undemocratic, even Bananiot will vote NO and Denktash would vote YES.!

Now, please answer the question below.!

"what does "political equality of the 2 states means"

In the case of uniting Cyprus.. political equality of the 2 states means;

Guaranteed 50/50 reperesentation in upper house neither harms the interests of each community. Neither community may swing the power in the favor therefore avoiding the domination of one over the other.

How is the above Democratic.?

That would mean, that GC's living in the north state, are disenfranchised from voting for the upper house, all the while paying taxes, which will be challenged as being unconstitutional and the EU will never allow such an outright violation of Democracy. The same would be the same for the TC's living in the south state, of course.! We are talking about a plan that does not violate anyone’s Democratic and Human Rights. Your above suggestions violates all those rights.!

[YFred]

Kikapu playing judge jury and executioner yet again, your plan has been rejected therefore null and void. Now if you really want to create political equality of the 2 states then guarantee the 5TCs 5GCs structure in the upper house and we may get somewhere, otherwise your plan is just to risky and dangerous for my community...so it is there been rejected yet again.

President Talat has more important issues to deal with than review your faulty and dangerous plan produced by a wouldbe amature who wants to drop us right in the shit.

Now if you really want to create political equality of the 2 states then guarantee the 5TCs 5GCs structure in the upper house and we may get somewhere,

The above is not possible under True Democracy, since there are other communities in Cyprus, such as the Armenians, Maronites , Latins and others. You will need to give each of them 5 seats to be fair, which means we are back to Utu's plan, which you also rejected.

I can write you an Undemocratic plan so good (bad), it will leave the Annan Plan in it's dust. It will be so Undemocratic, even Bananiot will vote NO and Denktash would vote YES.!

Now, please answer the question below.!

"what does "political equality of the 2 states means"

In the case of uniting Cyprus.. political equality of the 2 states means;

Guaranteed 50/50 reperesentation in upper house neither harms the interests of each community. Neither community may swing the power in the favor therefore avoiding the domination of one over the other.

How is the above Democratic.?

That would mean, that GC's living in the north state, are disenfranchised from voting for the upper house, all the while paying taxes, which will be challenged as being unconstitutional and the EU will never allow such an outright violation of Democracy. The same would be the same for the TC's living in the south state, of course.! We are talking about a plan that does not violate anyone’s Democratic and Human Rights. Your above suggestions violates all those rights.!

Here is a viable solution
Having two elected chambers is asking for trouble.
Why not the upper house be nominated by the government in power of each side.
That will solve the problem and will be acceptable to the EU.
It would also maximise number of people that can move back to their homes.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu playing judge jury and executioner yet again, your plan has been rejected therefore null and void. Now if you really want to create political equality of the 2 states then guarantee the 5TCs 5GCs structure in the upper house and we may get somewhere, otherwise your plan is just to risky and dangerous for my community...so it is there been rejected yet again.

President Talat has more important issues to deal with than review your faulty and dangerous plan produced by a wouldbe amature who wants to drop us right in the shit.

Now if you really want to create political equality of the 2 states then guarantee the 5TCs 5GCs structure in the upper house and we may get somewhere,

The above is not possible under True Democracy, since there are other communities in Cyprus, such as the Armenians, Maronites , Latins and others. You will need to give each of them 5 seats to be fair, which means we are back to Utu's plan, which you also rejected.

I can write you an Undemocratic plan so good (bad), it will leave the Annan Plan in it's dust. It will be so Undemocratic, even Bananiot will vote NO and Denktash would vote YES.!

Now, please answer the question below.!

"what does "political equality of the 2 states means"

In the case of uniting Cyprus.. political equality of the 2 states means;

Guaranteed 50/50 reperesentation in upper house neither harms the interests of each community. Neither community may swing the power in the favor therefore avoiding the domination of one over the other.

How is the above Democratic.?

That would mean, that GC's living in the north state, are disenfranchised from voting for the upper house, all the while paying taxes, which will be challenged as being unconstitutional and the EU will never allow such an outright violation of Democracy. The same would be the same for the TC's living in the south state, of course.! We are talking about a plan that does not violate anyone’s Democratic and Human Rights. Your above suggestions violates all those rights.!

Their votes will of course count in the lower house in fact they will have the balance in their favour, the upper house cna be formed of members selected by elected members of the lower house.

[paliometoxo]

funny how turkey is so quick to push for 50% power as a minority in cyprus and the kurds in turkey get nothing but a big F .U .... and its unacceptable for them to even breath

[CopperLine]

Two chamber parliament.

Upper house elected from constituencies (based on population size, therefore subject to boundary change determined by electoral commission) on single transferable vote. http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voti ... stems3.htm. Four year term.

Lower house elected from closed party list http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/voti ... 3.htm#List drawn from list for whole undivided island.

Non-executive president from majority popular vote.

Such a settlement would place political/ideological difference far above ethnic/national difference.

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funny how turkey is so quick to push for 50% power as a minority in cyprus and the kurds in turkey get nothing but a big F .U .... and its unacceptable for them to even breath

Do the Kurds have any sort of international agreement like we do with you guys?

[paliometoxo]

neither do the turks .. in 1960 maybe but those agreements where thrown away forgotten long ago... ever since turkey invaded, how can you revert to them agreements where it does not say ANYWHERE about two states.. so its obvious the agreements 1960 are no longer valid.. so neither cyprus with turkey or turkey with the kurds..

and just because there is no agreements it does not mean the kurds have no right to breath or even speak their own language in public like the barbarian turks do for the kurds

[Viewpoint]

neither do the turks .. in 1960 maybe but those agreements where thrown away forgotten long ago... ever since turkey invaded, how can you revert to them agreements where it does not say ANYWHERE about two states.. so its obvious the agreements 1960 are no longer valid.. so neither cyprus with turkey or turkey with the kurds..

and just because there is no agreements it does not mean the kurds have no right to breath or even speak their own language in public like the barbarian turks do for the kurds

By which agreements do you live by today?