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EU Plan B FOR Turkey's eventual ascesion to the EU

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby runaway » Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:10 am

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paliometoxo wrote:... and tcs stay if they wish


if they wish??? It's their country and who are you to give them permission to stay or leave?


He said they are free to stay, didn't he?

On the other hand you ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands of Greek Cypriots from their homeland which they inhabited for 1000s of years and declared some "Turkish state" on the land stolen from them. Who gave you the right? The answer is nobody. This is why you face the consequences of your illegal occupation.


Of course they are free to stay and they will stay. You will never be able to drive them away from their country like you tried in the past. It's just weird that you tell they are free to stay as if you are giving them permission to stay.
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Postby shahmaran » Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:46 am

Well who the hell needs to ask them anything around here! :lol:

Why should we?

History is nothing like what Piratis portrays it to be, even if it remotely was just for the sake of argument, 500 years is long enough to own this island as much as anyone.

Not that they have ever "owned" this island at any point in time, but that's a whole other story :lol:
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:10 pm

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paliometoxo wrote:well i am sure we have learnt better then to accept any solution just because its a solution.. it should be one that works for BOTH tcs AND gcs not just one side and the other completely ignored..

and it seems turkey will only accept partition or nothing


Why do you say that when the leaders are negotiaitng BBF with political eauality of the 2 states?


What does that mean.?

"My plan" also gave you a politically equal 2 states, which you rejected.!


To risky you are knowing leading us into a dangerous situation allowing GCs the right to dominate and control the TCs taking away their effective say in a united Cyprus.
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Postby Kikapu » Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:45 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
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paliometoxo wrote:well i am sure we have learnt better then to accept any solution just because its a solution.. it should be one that works for BOTH tcs AND gcs not just one side and the other completely ignored..

and it seems turkey will only accept partition or nothing


Why do you say that when the leaders are negotiaitng BBF with political eauality of the 2 states?


What does that mean.?

"My plan" also gave you a politically equal 2 states, which you rejected.!


To risky you are knowing leading us into a dangerous situation allowing GCs the right to dominate and control the TCs taking away their effective say in a united Cyprus.


You still did not answer the question what does "political equality of the 2 states" means. Please answer this question.!

As for "my plan", there is far less exposure for GC manipulation if most of their land is given back where they do not feel cheated or have any desires to live in the north state when they can be part of the south state as neigbours, than you forcing potential 130,000 GC's refugees into the north state from day one to live with you in the north state, all awhile wanting in denying them their democratic rights, which you will not be able to do anyway. This is the recipe you should worry about, because you have already given the GC's a major stronghold in the north state with such numbers who will use it to change the state affairs of the north, just because you want to keep more GC land than it is necessary or acceptable by the GC's. You will destroy what you want to prevent, which is your control of the north state and the Upper House. The TCs need to do their part in compromising and not just the GC's. But it seems you are not prepared to lift a finger to help yourself, because peaceful democracy is not what you are after, but only political inequalities as prescribed in the 1960 constitution, and the 2004 Annan Plan. This is what "United Cyprus" means to you, a Racist and Undemocratic country that only favours the TC's. Such plans will always be REJECTED from now on, as they have been before, so stop asking for them again and again.!
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:50 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:well i am sure we have learnt better then to accept any solution just because its a solution.. it should be one that works for BOTH tcs AND gcs not just one side and the other completely ignored..

and it seems turkey will only accept partition or nothing


Why do you say that when the leaders are negotiaitng BBF with political eauality of the 2 states?


What does that mean.?

"My plan" also gave you a politically equal 2 states, which you rejected.!


To risky you are knowing leading us into a dangerous situation allowing GCs the right to dominate and control the TCs taking away their effective say in a united Cyprus.


You still did not answer the question what does "political equality of the 2 states" means. Please answer this question.!

As for "my plan", there is far less exposure for GC manipulation if most of their land is given back where they do not feel cheated or have any desires to live in the north state when they can be part of the south state as neigbours, than you forcing potential 130,000 GC's refugees into the north state from day one to live with you in the north state, all awhile wanting in denying them their democratic rights, which you will not be able to do anyway. This is the recipe you should worry about, because you have already given the GC's a major stronghold in the north state with such numbers who will use it to change the state affairs of the north, just because you want to keep more GC land than it is necessary or acceptable by the GC's. You will destroy what you want to prevent, which is your control of the north state and the Upper House. The TCs need to do their part in compromising and not just the GC's. But it seems you are not prepared to lift a finger to help yourself, because peaceful democracy is not what you are after, but only political inequalities as prescribed in the 1960 constitution, and the 2004 Annan Plan. This is what "United Cyprus" means to you, a Racist and Undemocratic country that only favours the TC's. Such plans will always be REJECTED from now on, as they have been before, so stop asking for them again and again.!


Your plan is a trick to get TCs to reduce their numbers and become vunerable to a calculated and dangerous influx of Gcs into the Tc state to grab just one seat and swing the balance totally in their favour. Just like the GCs we to have every right to reject any plans we do not like and feel is a threat to our state..we have not come through all this hardship to be reduced to just another minority in a Gc state run by GCs.
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Postby boulio » Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:59 pm

Viewpoint are you thick or do you just do it on purpose?

Kikapu sayed just give back more land and reduce the amount of g/c coming to a northern state. :roll:
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:15 pm

boulio wrote:Viewpoint are you thick or do you just do it on purpose?

Kikapu sayed just give back more land and reduce the amount of g/c coming to a northern state. :roll:


If you cannot see through this trap thats your problem not mine, its dangerous and would put TCs in danger.
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Postby boulio » Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:21 pm

Anything anybody post in this form for a solution is not good enough for you v/p only partition correct?i

if you go into the archives of this forum you have been a major detractor of anything close to being a fair proposal from solutions that were balanced from alex lordos,canddelmoose,kifeas(remeber them).

why dont you put forward a solution big guy,instead of being a internet tough guy.

Pathetic.
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Postby Kikapu » Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:42 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:well i am sure we have learnt better then to accept any solution just because its a solution.. it should be one that works for BOTH tcs AND gcs not just one side and the other completely ignored..

and it seems turkey will only accept partition or nothing


Why do you say that when the leaders are negotiaitng BBF with political eauality of the 2 states?


What does that mean.?

"My plan" also gave you a politically equal 2 states, which you rejected.!


To risky you are knowing leading us into a dangerous situation allowing GCs the right to dominate and control the TCs taking away their effective say in a united Cyprus.


You still did not answer the question what does "political equality of the 2 states" means. Please answer this question.!

As for "my plan", there is far less exposure for GC manipulation if most of their land is given back where they do not feel cheated or have any desires to live in the north state when they can be part of the south state as neigbours, than you forcing potential 130,000 GC's refugees into the north state from day one to live with you in the north state, all awhile wanting in denying them their democratic rights, which you will not be able to do anyway. This is the recipe you should worry about, because you have already given the GC's a major stronghold in the north state with such numbers who will use it to change the state affairs of the north, just because you want to keep more GC land than it is necessary or acceptable by the GC's. You will destroy what you want to prevent, which is your control of the north state and the Upper House. The TCs need to do their part in compromising and not just the GC's. But it seems you are not prepared to lift a finger to help yourself, because peaceful democracy is not what you are after, but only political inequalities as prescribed in the 1960 constitution, and the 2004 Annan Plan. This is what "United Cyprus" means to you, a Racist and Undemocratic country that only favours the TC's. Such plans will always be REJECTED from now on, as they have been before, so stop asking for them again and again.!


Your plan is a trick to get TCs to reduce their numbers and become vunerable to a calculated and dangerous influx of Gcs into the Tc state to grab just one seat and swing the balance totally in their favour. Just like the GCs we to have every right to reject any plans we do not like and feel is a threat to our state..we have not come through all this hardship to be reduced to just another minority in a Gc state run by GCs.


The above is just pure rubbish.!

You still did not answer the question what does "political equality of the 2 states" means. Please answer this question.!

Just admit it that you have been exposed with your "safeguards bitching" as nothing more than propaganda and that you do not want anything that is democratic, even after getting everything you always wanted...............well, almost everything, because not only you want all the benefits of "my plan", you want to keep most of the stolen GC land also, which the plan does not provide for.

Go ahead and keep all 37% and invite all the GC refugees into the north state, all 200,000 of them against your 120,000 voting True TC's.! Don't come crying to me later on when you lose control of everything in the north by claiming that I did not warn you.!

By the way, can you do me a favour and forward this plan to Talat for me since you are there. This plan may be better than what he has been offered so far, which was something like 80-20 in the federal governments decision making body.!

Thanks.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:59 pm

Kikapu playing judge jury and executioner yet again, your plan has been rejected therefore null and void. Now if you really want to create political equality of the 2 states then guarantee the 5TCs 5GCs structure in the upper house and we may get somewhere, otherwise your plan is just to risky and dangerous for my community...so it is there been rejected yet again.

President Talat has more important issues to deal with than review your faulty and dangerous plan produced by a wouldbe amature who wants to drop us right in the shit.
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