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Alpay Durduran:"Show good will with actions"

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Postby magikthrill » Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:54 pm

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Have the 2000 TCs resident in south demanded this??? they are citizens of the "RoC" but have no voting rights.


i think they have. a recent article said they sent out a complaint or court order no?
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:43 pm

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think they have. a recent article said they sent out a complaint or court order no?


the issue has now been raised by EU and pressure has made the Gc administration address the issue according to Eu norms otherwise nothing would have been done. So the "RoC" is not as white you wish to believe it is, the hyphocritical rantings of GCs on human rights make you cringe when people who are their own citizens cannot have their fundamental right to vote.
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Postby erolz » Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:56 pm

magikthrill wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Have the 2000 TCs resident in south demanded this??? they are citizens of the "RoC" but have no voting rights.


i think they have. a recent article said they sent out a complaint or court order no?


I would just add that if you are forced to do something then that is not really a gesutre of good will.

You can claim that allowing TC the same healthcare rights in the south as GC is a gesture of goodwill. You can also claim that it is not becuase the RoC is focred to do this if it claims to be the sole legitimate government of all Cypriots.

You can claim that opening the border was agesture of goodwill by TC. You can also claim it was not because the TC leadeship was forced to do this by the poltical situation in the north.

It seems to me that the problem here is as much or more how people choses to interpret the other sides actions. It seems to me that even if their were gestures of goodwill the others could and almost certainly would not consider them such anyway. So really we should be arguiong as much about how we refuse to see anything positive as a gesture of goodwill when it comes from the other sides as much as who has made made more gestures or not.
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Postby Bananiot » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:25 pm

This was written by Sevgul and kindly made available to us all by MicAt Cyp.

"Some very bright young academicians have applied to work in the Cyprus University. One of them, enquiring if "not speaking Greek would be an obstacle to his application", did not even get an answer! "

This was written by MicAtCyp and strongly questions the notion that the Cyprus University could ignore an application on the grounds the applicant is a Turkish Cypriot.

"Since you know Durduran personally, do you by any chance know which University Turgut Durduran got his PhD from? Is there any chance any University in the World to turn down his application? For your information it will be an honour for the University of Cyprus to just receive his application and employ him."
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Postby cannedmoose » Sat Jun 11, 2005 12:00 am

If the University of Cyprus does ignore such applications in future, it could find itself subject to proceedings in the ECHR... discrimination based on ethnicity will not be looked upon kindly.
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Postby Bananiot » Sat Jun 11, 2005 9:33 am

In this plantation, cannedmoose, we always thought we could fool the whole world, especially the thick turks.

By the way, our government is getting seriously farcical. Yesterday, Anan told Erdogan that he will ask the Security Council to adopt his report on Cyprus (the one that lays the blame fairly and squarely on the GC side) and in no time the government decided that this was an "unfriendly, unapproved and untimely gesture" and threatened to report the GS to ... Anan!

In the meantime, Russian Foreign Minister Lavrof, was paying a visit to Cyprus and our clever hacks made sure that Russia will not allow the report to go through the Security Council. You see, Russia has a stance based on principle on this issue, until someone promises more money and then ... god helps us.

Another funny story surfaced this week. Our Tourism Minister boasted that he will bring thousands of tourists from China. Sure enough, the first 90 arrived but when it was time to fly back, only 20 or so turned up at the airport. If you happen to come across any of the others, please inform them that we are looking for them!

Rumours that they have taken refuse at "Omonoia" football club are completely unfounded.

P.S. Do you know the link between "Omonoia" and China? If not can you guess?
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Postby Kifeas » Sat Jun 11, 2005 10:57 am

bananiot wrote:In this plantation, cannedmoose, we always thought we could fool the whole world, especially the thick turks.


Plantation (a banana one) would have become of Cyprus should the A-plan was let through.

bananiot wrote:By the way, our government is getting seriously farcical. Yesterday, Anan told Erdogan that he will ask the Security Council to adopt his report on Cyprus (the one that lays the blame fairly and squarely on the GC side) and in no time the government decided that this was an "unfriendly, unapproved and untimely gesture" and threatened to report the GS to ... Anan!


We can always report Annan and his anti UN SC resolution and anti international law practices, directly to the UN Security Council. In case you do not know the procedures and options available.

bananiot wrote:In the meantime, Russian Foreign Minister Lavrof, was paying a visit to Cyprus and our clever hacks made sure that Russia will not allow the report to go through the Security Council. You see, Russia has a stance based on principle on this issue, until someone promises more money and then ... god helps us.


Not only with Russia, China and France we should be ready to align with, but even with the mother of the devil, if it becomes necessary.

bananiot wrote:Another funny story surfaced this week. Our Tourism Minister boasted that he will bring thousands of tourists from China. Sure enough, the first 90 arrived but when it was time to fly back, only 20 or so turned up at the airport. If you happen to come across any of the others, please inform them that we are looking for them!

Rumours that they have taken refuse at "Omonoia" football club are completely unfounded.


From now on we will be importing Chinese people as soldiers of fortune. They are the cheapest in the market but not the cheapest in quality. Actually only the Vietnamese are better to them. One million Turkish soldiers in Turkey and 40,000 in Cyprus, backing up the occupation and the intrasigence of the Turkish /TC leadership, definatelly need an answer.
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Postby MicAtCyp » Sat Jun 11, 2005 9:10 pm

Bananiot wrote: This was written by MicAtCyp and strongly questions the notion that the Cyprus University could ignore an application on the grounds the applicant is a Turkish Cypriot.


Dear distorter,

Please read the atricle more carefully.Does it say that an applicant was rejected because he was a TC??

If you have a problem with that you should ask those who insisted that the official languages of the University is Greek and Turkish, and why for the moment the only department that uses Turkish is the Department of "Turkish studies", and why there is not a single TC student in all other departments. So if a TC professor knows only Turkish and English, and ALL students know only Greek, what language do you suggest the professor should use? Chinese?

Yes it is a fact that I did not consider the problem of language in myfirst reply, but on the other hand you insist to distort the truth that he was turned down on grounds of ethnicity, and not on grounds of language and availability of students who can speak the same language in which he can teach.

Waiting with interest to hear more distortions from you.

wrote: By the way, our government is getting seriously farcical. Yesterday, Anan told Erdogan that he will ask the Security Council to adopt his report on Cyprus (the one that lays the blame fairly and squarely on the GC side) and in no time the government decided that this was an "unfriendly, unapproved and untimely gesture" and threatened to report the GS to ... Anan!


Man you are really an enemy of your own people! So the report of Anan is the Holy Bible? When he himself cannot see to what low level he brought the UN down at? History will evaluate him as the worst SG ever! Be patient.
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Postby -mikkie2- » Sun Jun 12, 2005 1:30 am

I have said in the past that the whole process that led to the referendums last year was a complete farce. It was a frace because it was all set up to help Tukey remove Cyprus as an obstacle to her EU course. You only have to look at how hard the American were lobbying the EU in 2002 to give Turkey a date. You only have to look at all the gifts Turkey received in Annan 5. Everyone was helbent on getting the Turks to accept the Annan plan. The only thing they forgot to do was to make sure we said yes as well. When they realsied what they had done, they resorted to threatening the Greek Cypriots. Now we have Edogan saying that he is extremely disappointed that he Security Council did not vote and approve the SG report and lo and behold, so is Annan! What about all the other resolutions and reports against Turkey that have nver EVER been acted upon? Has Annan forgot about those?
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:32 am

-mikkie2- how else do you expect things to move forward?? what do you think is necessary, if theres no dialogue which Papadop refuses then where does that leave us???
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