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Postby DT. » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:06 pm

shahmaran wrote:
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shahmaran wrote: you cant NOW turn around and ask for what is fair :lol:


Oh well, at least we all acknowledge that what the TC's are asking for in the talks is unfair.


You are right, I should have used the word "fair" in quotes to make it more clear that it is coming from you.

I did not for a moment believe that your requests where ever anywhere remotely fair.

50-50 is more than fair for a people who violently wanted it ALL in the first place don't you think? :lol:


So whats fair for a people who violently TOOK it all from us? :wink:
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Postby shahmaran » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:31 pm

DT. wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
DT. wrote:
shahmaran wrote: you cant NOW turn around and ask for what is fair :lol:


Oh well, at least we all acknowledge that what the TC's are asking for in the talks is unfair.


You are right, I should have used the word "fair" in quotes to make it more clear that it is coming from you.

I did not for a moment believe that your requests where ever anywhere remotely fair.

50-50 is more than fair for a people who violently wanted it ALL in the first place don't you think? :lol:


So whats fair for a people who violently TOOK it all from us? :wink:


Well your question is misleading since the violence was mutual.

The real question is, would you have given us half, or anything at all, if your violence could have been as overwhelming as Turkey's?

So, is it fair for the people who wanted it ALL to end up with half, and is it fair for the people who was about to loose all to only take half? :lol:

Or screw these, tell me honestly, do the GC's believe that they are better off now, or before?
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Postby DT. » Thu Feb 19, 2009 5:32 pm

shahmaran wrote:
DT. wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
DT. wrote:
shahmaran wrote: you cant NOW turn around and ask for what is fair :lol:


Oh well, at least we all acknowledge that what the TC's are asking for in the talks is unfair.


You are right, I should have used the word "fair" in quotes to make it more clear that it is coming from you.

I did not for a moment believe that your requests where ever anywhere remotely fair.

50-50 is more than fair for a people who violently wanted it ALL in the first place don't you think? :lol:


So whats fair for a people who violently TOOK it all from us? :wink:


Well your question is misleading since the violence was mutual.

The real question is, would you have given us half, or anything at all, if your violence could have been as overwhelming as Turkey's?

So, is it fair for the people who wanted it ALL to end up with half, and is it fair for the people who was about to loose all to only take half? :lol:

Or screw these, tell me honestly, do the GC's believe that they are better off now, or before?


Question is why does a community that makes up only 18% of the pop demand half of everything? What the hell kind of system is that?
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Postby Bananiot » Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:22 pm

Before 1974 the Turkish Cypriots were happy with functional federation but Makarios thought that this would lead to federation. Thus, circumstances decide what is fair and what is not. Let me make it more clear for you DT. If APOEL is playing against Omonoia and APOEL is losing 2-0 until the last minute and then miraculously APOEL equalises with two late goals, you and my son would be extremely happy, despite not winning all three points, but I would be very disappointed.

Also, the current talks are about granting everything to the TC’s on the basis of 50-50. Their zone will be substantially smaller than ours. You probably have in mind political equality, which is a bloody good thing, given our past. Political equality of the two communities as described by numerous resolutions of the United Nations is objected by the rejectionists on our side who obviously have a different agenda and I pray you would see this and stop flirting with them, because as I told you before, you are too nice of a guy to tango with these extremists.
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Postby shahmaran » Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:24 pm

DT. wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
DT. wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
DT. wrote:
shahmaran wrote: you cant NOW turn around and ask for what is fair :lol:


Oh well, at least we all acknowledge that what the TC's are asking for in the talks is unfair.


You are right, I should have used the word "fair" in quotes to make it more clear that it is coming from you.

I did not for a moment believe that your requests where ever anywhere remotely fair.

50-50 is more than fair for a people who violently wanted it ALL in the first place don't you think? :lol:


So whats fair for a people who violently TOOK it all from us? :wink:


Well your question is misleading since the violence was mutual.

The real question is, would you have given us half, or anything at all, if your violence could have been as overwhelming as Turkey's?

So, is it fair for the people who wanted it ALL to end up with half, and is it fair for the people who was about to loose all to only take half? :lol:

Or screw these, tell me honestly, do the GC's believe that they are better off now, or before?


Question is why does a community that makes up only 18% of the pop demand half of everything? What the hell kind of system is that?


Well there you go my friend, you are asking for fairness in a situation where you your selves didn't see it fit for anyone else in the first place, only up until you realized that your over-ambitious dreams had left you worse than before.

So the question again is, why even give half of the island to the people who didn't want to give you anything, and then sit on a table with them and give them even more when they still moan about being the "only rightful owners" of the island and clearly don't want you there, is that even a system? :lol:
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Postby insan » Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:27 pm

DT. wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
DT. wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
DT. wrote:
shahmaran wrote: you cant NOW turn around and ask for what is fair :lol:


Oh well, at least we all acknowledge that what the TC's are asking for in the talks is unfair.


You are right, I should have used the word "fair" in quotes to make it more clear that it is coming from you.

I did not for a moment believe that your requests where ever anywhere remotely fair.

50-50 is more than fair for a people who violently wanted it ALL in the first place don't you think? :lol:


So whats fair for a people who violently TOOK it all from us? :wink:


Well your question is misleading since the violence was mutual.

The real question is, would you have given us half, or anything at all, if your violence could have been as overwhelming as Turkey's?

So, is it fair for the people who wanted it ALL to end up with half, and is it fair for the people who was about to loose all to only take half? :lol:

Or screw these, tell me honestly, do the GC's believe that they are better off now, or before?


Question is why does a community that makes up only 18% of the pop demand half of everything? What the hell kind of system is that?


Who told u that TC community demand half of everything. We only demand half of the upper senate. Most of the rest proportional and as for the land; getting what belongs to us according to land registry records, also by taking into consideration the pirinciple of temporary bi-zonality and commericial viability of the land.
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Postby boulio » Thu Feb 19, 2009 6:32 pm

so insan the supreme court can have 5 memebers,4 g/c and 1 t/c?

Land will be 80/20 based on land registry?

what about security issues?

central bank governers 5 memebers,4 g/c and 1 t/c?
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Postby insan » Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:40 pm

boulio wrote:so insan the supreme court can have 5 memebers,4 g/c and 1 t/c?

Land will be 80/20 based on land registry?

what about security issues?

central bank governers 5 memebers,4 g/c and 1 t/c?


I've already mentioned my opinions regarding the land ownership. A supreme court as it was envisaged in Annan Plan would be fair and viable. Proportional representation at judicial body puts TC community always in minority status. Cyprus could gradually be demilitarized in 10 or 15 years time period. A central bank as it was envisaged in Annan Plan would be viable, i guess. I don't have much knowledge abt banking issues. What's ur opinions regarding these issues.
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Postby boulio » Thu Feb 19, 2009 8:26 pm

[/quote]Who told u that TC community demand half of everything. We only demand half of the upper senate. Most of the rest proportional and as for the land; getting what belongs to us according to land registry records, also by taking into consideration the pirinciple of temporary bi-zonality and commericial viability of the land.[quote][/quote]
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:00 pm

This 50-50 Ottoman rubbish will never come to pass because the final hurdle (if it ever gets that far) will be the most powerful of them all… a huge class-action lawsuit from the Greek Cypriots against anyone and anything attempting to violate the UN Charter and their human rights.

If the need arises, I swear by my children to dedicate myself 100% to this cause and you can tell Donktosh, Talat, Shistofias, Erdogan, Ban, Obam, and any other useless bam-bam out there that they forgot one little detail in their calculations…

GR coming after their arse!
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