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The truth from NICOS ROLANDIS

Postby MrH » Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:28 pm

The following article, if you've not had the chance to read it, in my view, is a very interesting piece of literature from a Greek Cypriot who is not afraid to admit a few honest truths.

In the (distant) past, I had the pleasure in meeting Mr Nicos Rolandis at a media event and must say that his views are most definitely worth taking serious note of. If our people on the island of Cyprus are not prepared to accept historical facts, then perhaps people like Nicos can convince them of the harsh alternatives available!

The beautiful people, Enosis, partition… and our bloody mess
By Nicos Rolandis

I RECALL it was May 1978, three months after I had taken over as Minister of Foreign Affairs. I was in New York with President Spyros Kyprianou to attend the First UN Special Session on Disarmament.

During my stay there, I addressed a gathering of overseas Greeks and Cypriots and I thanked them, inter alia, for the solidarity of the Greek Americans with Cyprus and her cause. When my speech was over, the president of one of the participating associations approached me and discreetly suggested that Greeks in the US would rather be called “Americans of Greek origin” than “Greek Americans”. They were first and foremost Americans and their origin followed.

When I went back to the hotel, I pondered over what was suggested to me. I wondered how many Cypriots feel they are Cypriots first, and then Greeks or Turks. My memory flew back to the hard years we went through in the 1960s, when a negligible number of citizens only believed in their country and her national symbols… Years during which Greeks and Turks considered Cyprus as a “transit station” to union with Greece (Enosis) for the Greeks and to partition (Taksim) or total Turkish occupation for the Turks.

“I do solemnly affirm faith to, and respect for, the Constitution and the laws made thereunder, the preservation of the independence and the territorial integrity of the Republic of Cyprus”. This is the oath taken by the leaders: this is the oath of all Cypriots – Greeks and Turks.

The President of the Republic, however, in December 1963 attempted to redraft and amend the Constitution, to which he had pledged his allegiance. Furthermore the House of Representatives (consisting of Greek Cypriots only at the time) voted unanimously on June 27, 1967 that “it will not defer the struggle, presently carried out with the solidarity of all Greeks, until the union, without any intermediary stations, of the whole unified Cyprus with motherland Greece is implemented” (Minutes of the House of Representatives 1966-1967, page 1274).

On the other side of the fence, the Turkish Cypriots, through extremist and unlawful organisations ( in parallel to the Greek Cypriot ones), were trying to overturn the constitutional order and achieve partition.

We really had beautiful people in Cyprus in those years, fully dedicated to their motherland! A motherland in which they never believed – they employed all possible methods to exterminate her… A feat they eventually achieved.

The mentality of many people remains unaltered since then. As I wrote in the past, the more we suffer the less we learn in this country.

Each community has built its own cause through its own separate angle. It firmly believes that justice and principles are on its own side. And each one has erected its own ideological castle along the following lines:

Greek Cypriot case:

THEY fought in 1955-59 for union with Greece, a venerable and sacred right. In 1960, they were compelled to veer to independence, which however was not just and balanced. So, they endeavoured to make the necessary corrections in 1963, keeping alive, in parallel, their irrepressible desire for union with Greece. In the meantime the Turkish Cypriots kept undermining the Cyprus Republic and they revolted in 1963. Later on, the treacherous junta came to power in Greece. It destabilised Makarios and together with EOKA B carried out the coup in 1974. Turkey invaded and brought havoc to Cyprus, to this day occupying 37 per cent of the territory of the Republic. There are currently around 1,500 Greek Cypriot missing persons. The various Plans of the United Nations cannot be accepted because they do not safeguard in a just way the rights of the Greek Cypriots. The Turkish Cypriots and Turkey are to blame for whatever goes wrong in Cyprus.



Turkish Cypriot case:

THE Greek Cypriots fought in 1955-59 for union with Greece, ignoring the rights of the Turkish Cypriots. Eventually the Republic of Cyprus was established, which the Greek Cypriots incessantly undermined. In 1963, Makarios tried to destroy the constitutional order. In the 1960s the Turkish Cypriots were forced to live in enclaves and the Greek Cypriots were aiming at their annihilation. In 1974 the Greek Cypriots and the Greek Junta tried to achieve union with Greece through the coup d’?tat. Turkey intervened to save the Turkish Cypriots but still many of them perished and 500 are missing. Because of the above, the Turkish Cypriots believe that the two communities must live apart under a very loose federation. The Greek Cypriots and Greece are to blame for whatever goes wrong in Cyprus.



In general terms the international community kept a distance from both communities. It recognised on the one hand the Republic of Cyprus under the leadership of the Greek Cypriots. On the other hand, through its stance and resolutions, it supported pragmatic positions which are not palatable to many Cypriots.

When it comes to justice, what are really the criteria that apply in this world? A world where you have the Gaza Strip, Darfour and the 40,000 children who die of hunger every day on the one hand and the mega-yachts and the provocative abundance, waste and luxury on the other.

Where has justice prevailed in real terms, so that Cyprus can seek to have it as well? And what constitutes justice in this unjust world?

It is in this unstable atmosphere that the talks are carried out in Cyprus. And although I am not conversant with all details, I would make some preliminary remarks on what is under negotiation:

1. I do not believe that the Greek Cypriot position of electing the President and the Vice President on a single list by the whole electorate is correct and sustainable. In such a case the Greek Cypriots will determine who the Turkish Cypriot President/ Vice President will be, because they constitute the majority of the electorate. Such a Greek Cypriot privilege did not exist even in the 1960 constitution.

2. The Turkish Cypriot side cannot insist that Turkey should have the right to a military intervention in Cyprus, which is a member of the European Union and to which Turkey aspires to accede. Besides, such a “right” is prohibited by the United Nations Charter and by European laws and regulations. Under such an arrangement shall we not legalise the aggression of one state against another?

3. As far as the question of property rights are concerned, I believe that neither the absolute positions of Talat nor those of Christofias will lead anywhere. There are many resolutions of the United Nations which propose a methodology on this issue. But most importantly we have the 1977 Makarios–Denktash Agreement, which provides that matters of principle, like “the right to property are open for discussion, taking into consideration the fundamental basis of a bicommunal federal system and certain practical difficulties which may arise for the Turkish Cypriot Community”. This Agreement, if there is good faith, may constitute the golden mean.

Aeschylus said that “when one listens to one of two sides, he learns only half the truth”. Christofias and Talat must listen carefully to each other and seek justice after taking into account the arguments, the mistakes, the omissions and the sins of all Cypriots. Otherwise, Cyprus will remain divided into two parts, which does not serve the interests of either the Greek or the Turkish Cypriots.



n Nicos Rolandis was Cyprus’ Foreign Minister from 1978-1983 and the Minister of Commerce, Industry & Tourism from 1998-2003
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Postby DT. » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:09 am

warms your heart to see TC partitionists getting excited by Rolandis, dont it?

I wonder why that happens...I believe the last time we had a Rolandis article on the forum it was first posted by Zan or VP.
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Postby Oracle » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:15 am

Well he serves a purpose in separating out the partitionists from the rest .... :lol:
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Postby utu » Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:35 am

Oracle wrote:Well he serves a purpose in separating out the partitionists from the rest .... :lol:


...which doesn't change the accuracy of what he says. Two divergent opinions in Cyprus, perpetuating the partition still prevails. Both sides (and I mean BOTH) are going to have to come togeher and be pragmatic, rather than be combative.
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Postby Bananiot » Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:50 pm

I have never called anybody "fascist" for no cause. I always resorted to this when forumers started making unachronistic accusations of the type "traitor". Piratis accused me of being a traitor no longer after I wrote my first post in the forum. If anyone goes back and examines all my posts he/she can see that I always followed after being verbally abused. In this case, what DT says, clearly amounts to the worst kind of fascism because he cyber attacks a person by calling him partitionist, not on the evidence of what he writes but solely on the persons that respond to his writings. This takes us back to the dark ages of human evolution and of course what he achieves is just to raise the so called patriotic feelings of self proclaimed little fascists like the crazy woman of the forum.

Now, expect some more of the kind to jump onto the DT wagon.
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Postby DT. » Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:06 pm

Bananiot wrote:I have never called anybody "fascist" for no cause. I always resorted to this when forumers started making unachronistic accusations of the type "traitor". Piratis accused me of being a traitor no longer after I wrote my first post in the forum. If anyone goes back and examines all my posts he/she can see that I always followed after being verbally abused. In this case, what DT says, clearly amounts to the worst kind of fascism because he cyber attacks a person by calling him partitionist, not on the evidence of what he writes but solely on the persons that respond to his writings. This takes us back to the dark ages of human evolution and of course what he achieves is just to raise the so called patriotic feelings of self proclaimed little fascists like the crazy woman of the forum.

Now, expect some more of the kind to jump onto the DT wagon.


Bananiot, what would a dentist be doing at an insurance salesman conference? My point is that it seems the target audience for the kind of rhetoric that spills out of Rolandis mouth is lapped up by the partitionists on the TC side.

phrases such as
Where has justice prevailed in real terms, so that Cyprus can seek to have it as well? And what constitutes justice in this unjust world?


is not something I will be teaching my kids. Just by the utterance of this phrase ROlandis proves a very shocking truth. He knows where justice lies, yet he prefers to let it go. He acknowledges the injustice of the systems proposed to the GC's of Cyprus yet he does not protest at them. He agrees with Papadopoulos that the Annan Plan was a gross injustice but responds with Where has justice prevailed in real terms, so that Cyprus can seek to have it as well?

This doesn't tell me of a man who sees both sides of the coin but a man who sees the injustices his side have suffered yet chooses to ignore them in exchange for this sad, defeatist way of life.

Who raises their children with the motto....you'll never get justice so always settle with whatever is offered?
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