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[-mikkie2-]

I recon Britain is less likely to make any moves regadring direct flights and trade in her term presidency of the EU. Britain has to represent the interests of all EU members and as such must be impartial. Also Britain has a big job to do to appease and to steady the EU ship after the trauma of the referendums and lack of agreement on the EU budget, which will take overiding priority over everything else.

Turkey has far too much faith in Britain to do her bidding in the EU.

[cannedmoose]

Precisely, with the EU currently "tit's up" to use an English expression, I'm sure arranging direct flights to Northern Cyprus is the last thing on Blair's agenda...

[Kifeas]

a london travel agent told me that direct filights from Britain may possibly happen under Britain's Eu presidency, which i think starts next week.

Maybe charters gabaston, but for scheduled airlines it would require a policy change by international aviation bodies (can't remember the organisation in question off the top of my head) in terms of recognising airports.

So I think direct flights to Ercan aren't on the cards just yet.

Gabaston,
Perhaps out of politeness, Moose has given you a typical British diplomatic and hermaphrodite answer. Let us not waste our times waiting for direct flights -be it schedule or charter -to happen, so that you eventually gain whatever benefits a solution would have possibly given you and consequently the TC leadership to become more indifferent and intransigent towards a solution. Unfortunately gabaston, this will not happen! It didn’t happen for 31 years and it will not happen now. The international legal framework is such that it is almost impossible, no matter how much Moose’s government would like to see it happening and how hard is trying for it. Unless the RoC decides otherwise!

The best way out for ending this isolation and for the economic advancement of the TC community, something that the GCs would like more than anyone else to see happening any time soon, is for all of us to work harder for a solution. For this to happen, the TC leadership has to first and outmost shrug off the mainland Turkish interests, recognise that a solution to be viable and lasting has to be fair and balanced for both communities, recognise that the Annan plan did not incorporate these qualities, abandon its egocentric and selfish aspirations, and finally come to the negotiating table in good faith. After that, I can assure you that we will reach an agreement more quickly than anyone could have ever imagined. Statements like the last one coming out of Talat’s mouth, that “the GC proposals conveyed through the UN, constitute a non-starter,” do not help us at all. He (Talat) has to change his overall attitude, which is not very positive. He also seems to be a very opportunistic character and this is not a good trace.

And one last thing, coming out of the bottom of my heart. There is no other factor on this planet that has more desire, more will and more potential to help you advance economically, safeguard your identity and regain your dignity, other than the GC community. Neither the motherland, nor the British. The sooner you consolidate it, the better for both of us. We may have caused harm to you in the past, but this is not what we necessarily wanted. We have also suffered but more importantly, I am sure we have learned.

[metecyp]

We have also suffered but more importantly, I am sure we have learned.

Only if we could be sure that you have learned...

[Main_Source]

do TC REALLY think the events of almost 50 years ago are gonna happen again?

Dont you see that Cyprus is a different place then it was back then.

and do you still only think the violance was one way? lol

[garbitsch]

do TC REALLY think the events of almost 50 years ago are gonna happen again?

Dont you see that Cyprus is a different place then it was back then.

and do you still only think the violance was one way? lol

We don't think that way Source. What we think is that we will all end up becoming subjects of a Greek republic in Cyprus with no practical political rights. We don't really want to become a "protected political minority" and send one show-off MP to the parliament, just like Maronites and Armenians do.

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas

Let us not waste our times waiting for direct flights -be it schedule or charter -to happen

Why?? so that you have a stronger hand to dominate???even the mere idea or 1 flight will serve to bring GC administration to the negotiating table otherwise they will use this issue to persue their maximilistic demands.

consequently the TC leadership to become more indifferent and intransigent towards a solution

I dont agree with you here , if we intend to become 2 equal partners, then surely we shoudl benefit the same as yourselves, is your real aim to keep us the weaker partner so that as in the post you can dominate and control us??? this inisistence of GCs not to allow direct trade brings back those fears which do not allow us to proceed, get rid of this negative outlook towards our isolation allow us to have direct flights etc and you will get the TC administration viewpoint you desire.

The best way out for ending this isolation and for the economic advancement of the TC community, something that the GCs would like more than anyone else to see happening any time soon, is for all of us to work harder for a solution.

Tell you administration this, I have already done so and the response is you cant dance alone, you need a willing partner.

For this to happen, the TC leadership has to first and outmost shrug off the mainland Turkish interests, recognise that a solution to be viable and lasting has to be fair and balanced for both communities,

How do you suggest we do this when we are dependent on them, and you dont allow us to improve our economy so that we may try and shrugg off Turkey, they have protected and funded us for the last 31 years, if you dont help us we cannot help ourselves in order to help you, im being very sincere here.

recognise that a solution to be viable and lasting has to be fair and balanced for both communities, recognise that the Annan plan did not incorporate these qualities, abandon its egocentric and selfish aspirations, and finally come to the negotiating table in good faith.

Please my friend dont say this, in all rounds of the negotiations we were the underdogs and you the stronger contributor I know this from personal experience, all the negotiations were based on GC presentations and a few adjustments for TC concerns. Good faith has always been a TC trait to the point of naivetivity, please look to your own leadership and request that the negotiate in good faith if they had of done this during Annan 5 we may have been united today and not having this conversation.

I can assure you that we will reach an agreement more quickly than anyone could have ever imagined.

Dont forget we are Cypriots, we cant agree on anything because the is no trust.

And one last thing, coming out of the bottom of my heart. There is no other factor on this planet that has more desire, more will and more potential to help you advance economically, safeguard your identity and regain your dignity, other than the GC community. Neither the motherland, nor the British. The sooner you consolidate it, the better for both of us. We may have caused harm to you in the past, but this is not what we necessarily wanted. We have also suffered but more importantly, I am sure we have learned.

I really want to belive you but unfortunately due to numerous reasons and our history there has to be concrete steps taken by the GC administration backing what you state otherwise the aleady depleted trust factor will continue to decrease and finally disappear pushing us further apart towards cemented partition. It would only take a few very postive moves by the south to gain TC confidence and support that would help them become more flexible and understanding towards GC concerns and demands.

[metecyp]

What uninformed people like Main Source don't get is that Cyprus problem is not just GCs killing TCs for TCs and TC fears are not solely the possibility of GC violence against TCs in the future.. It's the majority dominating the minority, the majority making decisions with no regard to the minority under the name of democracy, the majority feeling superior to the minority...and so on. So Main Source, my friend, yes I also don't expect GCs killing TCs in a united EU member Cyprus but it's a possibility that GCs might want to make all the decisions with no regard to TCs in the future and you have no right to tell my community what we can or we can't be scared of.

[garbitsch]

What uninformed people like Main Source don't get is that Cyprus problem is not just GCs killing TCs for TCs and TC fears are not solely the possibility of GC violence against TCs in the future.. It's the majority dominating the minority, the majority making decisions with no regard to the minority under the name of democracy, the majority feeling superior to the minority...and so on. So Main Source, my friend, yes I also don't expect GCs killing TCs in a united EU member Cyprus but it's a possibility that GCs might want to make all the decisions with no regard to TCs in the future and you have no right to tell my community what we can or we can't be scared of.

perfetto!

[cannedmoose]

Perhaps out of politeness, Moose has given you a typical British diplomatic and hermaphrodite answer.

Not quite sure how my answer was 'hermaphrodite'

The international legal framework is such that it is almost impossible, no matter how much Moose’s government would like to see it happening and how hard is trying for it. Unless the RoC decides otherwise!

Whilst I agree entirely, it would require the agreement of the RoC to lift the international ban on flights to the north, I'd contend your position that this is somehow 'my government'. I did not vote for them, I don't support them and they don't represent my views. Therefore, although they may be the 'British government', they certainly aren't 'mine'.