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[MicAtCyp]

If VP does indeed hope for a cementing of the division and recognition of the TRNC, it's a valid perspective at least. I've heard a number of GC friends of mine talk about division as a way forward, and how they don't know if they could actually live together in peace with TCs. It might not be the scenario that most of us wish for, but if that's what VP believes, he has a right to do so.

That's why VP voted yes to Anan Plan.Because the Anan Plan was Partition in disguise.
Viewpoint koukla mou, why don't you explain this to Bananiot?

[Yiannis]

In my opinion with partition Cyprus automatically becomes a bomb ready to explode, and i wouldnt want to be there if that happens.

[Viewpoint]

Yiannis

In my opinion with partition Cyprus automatically becomes a bomb ready to explode, and i wouldnt want to be there if that happens.

could you be more specific, a bomb do you mean war?? who will attack who???

[Murtaza]

And I hope that bomb dont explode at the hand of Turkey.

[brother]

Kifeas wrote

However, this is just a summer night dream. Because the GCs will never recognise such a situation and such a state, even if the rest of the world does so. What we will probably do is for every single state that recognise the "TRNC" to buy an additional 50 tanks. By the time all the 200 countries of the world recognise it, we will have 10,000 tanks in our arsenal. This is probably the only promise that the GCs can give to greedy Viewpoint and his /her likes!

Of course it goes without saying that the 40,000 Turkish troops in the north will not be enough and probably Turkey will have to raise them up to 400,000.

Of all the quotes this one worries me the most, so am i right to understand that GC will arm itself up to the hilt if partition happens, well if that is the case you will remember the last time you tried that Turkey was getting ready for another 'peace operation' and you backed down, are the GC that stupid and would make the second biggest mistake and give Turkey the opportunity to take all of Cyprus, or do you think the E.U will fight your wars.
Kifeas if thats the best you can come up with then i would rather not talk to a war monger like you who harbours that sort of desire but i now thanks to you see the benefits of Turkey protecting the TC.

[sadik]

However, the Annan plan, imo, did not take this approach but instead it was yielding substantially more towards the TC “ideal” approach, which is that of a strict and almost absolute political equality between the two communities. I do not say that there were no elements favouring the GC “ideal” approach of simple majority, but they were of a very minimum level. Furthermore, the TC leadership seems to be entrenched behind this issue and doesn’t give any signs of willingness to accommodate the GC concerns. That in my opinion constitutes one of biggest psychological barriers for the GC side and gears it towards a hardening position on other issues.

The changes in the Annan plan, in general, were more favourable to the Turkish side. Part of the reason is that Americans wanted to please Turkey in Cyprus because they needed it in Iraq. But I also think that the GC leadership was not really negotiating and they didn't really try to get positive changes in the plan. It seems to me that they were more focused on having the plan rejected in the referandum than getting it into an acceptable shape.

Nevertheless, I believe in politics of good will, i.e., making gestures of good will and sending positive signals, even when it is unilateral. Taking a hardened position of no concession is not condusive to a solution, so, if our goal is obtaining a 'YES-YES' result, the TC leadership should take a more open position and show more willingness to discuss the issues that lead to the rejection of the plan.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas wrote

However, this is just a summer night dream. Because the GCs will never recognise such a situation and such a state, even if the rest of the world does so. What we will probably do is for every single state that recognise the "TRNC" to buy an additional 50 tanks. By the time all the 200 countries of the world recognise it, we will have 10,000 tanks in our arsenal. This is probably the only promise that the GCs can give to greedy Viewpoint and his /her likes!

Of course it goes without saying that the 40,000 Turkish troops in the north will not be enough and probably Turkey will have to raise them up to 400,000.

Of all the quotes this one worries me the most, so am i right to understand that GC will arm itself up to the hilt if partition happens, well if that is the case you will remember the last time you tried that Turkey was getting ready for another 'peace operation' and you backed down, are the GC that stupid and would make the second biggest mistake and give Turkey the opportunity to take all of Cyprus, or do you think the E.U will fight your wars.
Kifeas if thats the best you can come up with then i would rather not talk to a war monger like you who harbours that sort of desire but i now thanks to you see the benefits of Turkey protecting the TC.

Brother,
I am describing to you what will most likely happen in case you (TCs) and Turkey, like viewpoint for example hopes, will achieve the partition that they have in their mind, grasping the 35% of Cyprus and running away and further, as a result of international politics, some countries begin recognising such a partition state. It doesn't necessarily mean that I am a warmonger or the GCs in general are warmongers. Don't you think though that such a development will naturally be considered by GCs as a very hostile outcome against themselves and their interests and thus they will be compelled to react accordingly? You must be naive to expect the GCs to seat and watch with crossed hands.

[brother]

Kifeas what i expect is a solution, the idea of arming up makes me furious and i think cyprus over the centuries has seen enough blood shed and cruelty hence if i was a GC i would rally to stop my goverment from getting more arms which would inevitably lead to war as each side tries to get the upper hand.

My opinion is fixed, demillatarise cyprus completely, no armies, no soilders...nothing, just us cypriots who want to live in peace.


Am i asking for to much or the impossible

[Kifeas]

Of all the quotes this one worries me the most, so am i right to understand that GC will arm itself up to the hilt if partition happens,

If it worries you as you have said so, then the best way is to make sure you and the TCs do not gear things towards a partition, so that the GCs will have no reason to arm themselves up to the hilt.

Kifeas if thats the best you can come up with then i would rather not talk to a war monger like you who harbours that sort of desire but i now thanks to you see the benefits of Turkey protecting the TC.

Brother, you are allowed to harbour your hostile partition desires, like Viewpoint and some other TCs do, but the GCs are not allowed to harbour desires to obstruct it with any means possible and available? This is a very strange logic, imo.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas what i expect is a solution, the idea of arming up makes me furious and i think cyprus over the centuries has seen enough blood shed and cruelty hence if i was a GC i would rally to stop my goverment from getting more arms which would inevitably lead to war as each side tries to get the upper hand.

My opinion is fixed, demillatarise cyprus completely, no armies, no soilders...nothing, just us cypriots who want to live in peace.


Am i asking for to much or the impossible

Brother, you have to treat each of my responses on it's own merits. I was responding to Viewpoints allegations and expressed desires for things to come out in such a way so that the TCs end up achieving the partition they have been working and hoping for. Now, you do not seem to be bothered by Viewpoints allegations and expressed desires, but you seem to be bothered by my replies to them. Should I assume that you also share the same ideas?