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Postby Kikapu » Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:34 pm

Get Real! wrote:
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Kifeas, have u ever asked yourself why Kurds and Turks struggled together to form a republic named ROT? Have u ever asked urself why there was no Kurdish problem in Turkey till early 80s? Have u ever asked urself what's the triggering role of Hellene-Armenian-Kurdish Lobby of creation of the Kurdish problem in Turkey? Have u ever asked urself whats the relationship between u and Pick-a-boo? :shock: I guess u meant ALLAH BELASINI VERSIN :wink:


Insan(e), you have left all of us with a lot of questions.!

How about answers to each one of those questions from you also.! :lol:

Don’t be such a spoil-sport!

It’s an old coffee shop “tactic”!

Ask questions so that everyone will (supposedly) assume you already have the "brilliant" answers! :roll:

:lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol:

I see.!

You see, GR, I don't spend any time in Coffee shops or leave the "little woman" at home all alone and go and do a little friendly gambling till late hours in the morning. If I did, I may actually run into Insan(e) while he's telling his tales with a lot of questions.! :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:40 pm

Maybe it's time to give up treating the TCs as being any more Cypriot than the Turks are. They have chosen their allegiance ... with Turkey! Not that there was ever any doubt, :roll: the pretence which we fell for, was that they were Cypriots from 1960-63 when they effectively, for their numbers, ruled Cyprus. Then the opportunity presented itself, to start the process of annexation of Cyprus to the Turks, which is now almost 40% complete.

No they (TCs) were never the minority ..... didn't they keep telling us so? ... But we did not listen!

No ... they were not the minority; and they are NOT the minority.

They are part of the 70 Million Turks and we were fooled briefly into believing they were part of the Cypriot Nation. Nope they were always Turks (bar a few).

So who are the struggling minority? Suffocating to continue its existence, under the biggest threat it has ever faced in its several thousand year existence on this Island. It is the Greek Cypriots ... a tiny striving minority facing the onslaught from the Mighty 70 Million Turks.

Like the Romans who erased Cleopatra's Hellenic civilised ancestry, in order to annexe Egypt (barbaric in their eyes), which was not a threat to Rome, but of geopolitical interest ... so the Turks are doing the same to us! We were never a threat to Turkey and its "TCs", its citizens at home or abroad .... but they had to acquire us, by foul means or .... fouler means!
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Postby YFred » Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:50 pm

You are pretending to be rather naive. The words "Bir Turk Dunyaya Bedeldir", was said during the period when The Yanks, British, Russians, Greeks, Italians and a few others descended on Turkey in it weakest moment. What a man to come along and pull a country together and defeat the major powers of the time. With what? Courage!

As you refuse to answer the last question, I’ll try this one. I keep hearing you say, TCs were not touched by Sampson. It was an excuse Turkey used to invade. The Greek ambassador said it and also a lot of moderate GC’s said it just after 74, “Greece was responsible for 1974”

For the sake of argument, let us assume that the above is not relevant. Can you tell me what was the coup of 74 for. What was their mission and vision. If it wasn’t for violent enosis, then after overthrowing Makarios and killing all the GC opposition, what were they going to do with the TC’s. Were they just going to ask them nicely to join with Greece and assuming that the TC’s said no, what was Sampson planning?
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Postby insan » Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:38 pm

Oracle wrote:Maybe it's time to give up treating the TCs as being any more Cypriot than the Turks are. They have chosen their allegiance ... with Turkey! Not that there was ever any doubt, :roll: the pretence which we fell for, was that they were Cypriots from 1960-63 when they effectively, for their numbers, ruled Cyprus. Then the opportunity presented itself, to start the process of annexation of Cyprus to the Turks, which is now almost 40% complete.

No they (TCs) were never the minority ..... didn't they keep telling us so? ... But we did not listen!

No ... they were not the minority; and they are NOT the minority.

They are part of the 70 Million Turks and we were fooled briefly into believing they were part of the Cypriot Nation. Nope they were always Turks (bar a few).

So who are the struggling minority? Suffocating to continue its existence, under the biggest threat it has ever faced in its several thousand year existence on this Island. It is the Greek Cypriots ... a tiny striving minority facing the onslaught from the Mighty 70 Million Turks.

Like the Romans who erased Cleopatra's Hellenic civilised ancestry, in order to annexe Egypt (barbaric in their eyes), which was not a threat to Rome, but of geopolitical interest ... so the Turks are doing the same to us! We were never a threat to Turkey and its "TCs", its citizens at home or abroad .... but they had to acquire us, by foul means or .... fouler means!


ZOMG! :shock: Granny has found the excuse to torture us all! :lol:

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Postby insan » Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:43 pm

Btw, Hellenic sources say that Cleoptra is a Mongo-Slavian... Oracle the Torturer of Turk can u please enlighten us abt the ancestral roots of Cleopatra?
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Postby CopperLine » Mon Feb 16, 2009 11:58 pm

Kifeas,
How can an 'axiom [be] shared diachronically' ? What does that look like ? Can we use spoons or will forks be sufficient ? Please tell.
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Postby Kifeas » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:05 am

YFred wrote: You are pretending to be rather naive. The words "Bir Turk Dunyaya Bedeldir", was said during the period when The Yanks, British, Russians, Greeks, Italians and a few others descended on Turkey in it weakest moment. What a man to come along and pull a country together and defeat the major powers of the time. With what? Courage!


Yes YFred, I know! And because Anatolia also today, continues to be invaded by the Yanks, British, Russians, Greeks, Italians and a few others, that is why the "one Turk equals the whole world" slogan is posing on many mountains, buildings, and schools of Turkey, in order to defeat all those invaders! I know!! It has absolutely nothing to do with Turkish nationalism, which is not institutionalized at all in Turkey and is not promoted at all by the Kemalist system! It is only to confront the invaders, the reason it is used today!

As you refuse to answer the last question,


Which question?

I’ll try this one. I keep hearing you say, TCs were not touched by Sampson. It was an excuse Turkey used to invade. The Greek ambassador said it and also a lot of moderate GC’s said it just after 74, “Greece was responsible for 1974”

For the sake of argument, let us assume that the above is not relevant.


You are very confusing! What is the accurate and the "relevant," that the "TCs were not touched by Sampson and, it was an excuse Turkey used to invade," or that “Greece was responsible for 1974?” You are very confusing!


Can you tell me what was the coup of 74 for. What was their mission and vision. If it wasn’t for violent enosis, then after overthrowing Makarios and killing all the GC opposition, what were they going to do with the TC’s. Were they just going to ask them nicely to join with Greece and assuming that the TC’s said no, what was Sampson planning?


YFred, what the coup was about, who committed it and what their mission and vision was, it is a well known fact to anyone who was not lazy enough to have investigated those events, and did not rely instead on easy slogans and propaganda to form a cheap opinion, like most Turks and TCs had chosen to do!

Now, are you suggesting that because there was a coup by the national guard to overthrow Makarios, and because the Greek Cypriots resisted it and there were deaths on both sides; that this entitled Turkey to invade by sending 100 fighter jets to start bombing all over Cyprus, and another 50 battle ships to land 40,000 troops, occupy half of Cyprus, ethnically cleanse the indigenous population of the northern part, the GCs, occupy the area, deny the refugees the return to their lands, usurp their homes and properties, and bring its own people from Turkey to colonize the occupied north? Is this what you are trying to suggest, that Turkey was legitimized in any way possible to do any of all the above that it committed in 1974 and after wards? Is this your suggestion? If so, how many military coups there existed in Turkey, and how many times the Americans, the Russians or any other more powerful state have invaded Turkey, because of those coups against the elected governments of Turkey? Can you tell me how many, if any, and why none? Can you tell me how many times another country invaded and occupied Turkey, for violating the Kurds rights? In your little theory, Turkey should have been invaded more than 100 times by now, because every now and then there is military coup there, and the violation of the Kurd’ rights and their harassment, every time they have to celebrate a national holiday or demonstrate for their rights, is an ongoing phenomenon. Why do you not complain that Turkey is not invaded, since you support that Cyprus's invasion was a necessity and a right thing to have done, because of the mere speculation that the TCs would have been affected?
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Postby Oracle » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:05 am

"Insan, Obsessed Idiot of the Highest Order"

Cleopatra was a direct descendant of Alexander the Great's General Ptolemy .... Thus a prime example of a Hellenic Queen, and to appease the Egyptians, whom they respected, as did all of Alexander's Generals, respect the natives of the Lands he conquered, also became a Pharaoh of Egypt. The Cleopatra we all know was the last of this dynasty, and the first to actually also speak Egyptian, as a matter of assimilation, after a few hundred years of Hellenic Rule in Egypt.

The Romans, (like you) envious of Hellenes, and regarding them as of the highest order of Civilisation, when needing to suppress Egypt, sought to first minimise the Hellenic influence, to justify their control.

What more do you want to know, petty, ill-informed-Internet cafe orientated Turk!
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Postby Kifeas » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:12 am

CopperLine wrote:Kifeas,
How can an 'axiom [be] shared diachronically' ? What does that look like ? Can we use spoons or will forks be sufficient ? Please tell.


Cooper, what is it that you do not know? What the word axiom means, or what the word diachronically means, or both? In any of these case, here you go! www.answers.com
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Postby Oracle » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:13 am

I suggest Chopsticks for CopperLine ....
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