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[Get Real!]

Oracle the coward Turk hater, stop accusing Bananiot for treason and if u have credible evidences regarding his traitorism; go bring a lawsuit abt him, eh?

Try "treason"!

[Kikapu]

Kifeas, have u ever asked yourself why Kurds and Turks struggled together to form a republic named ROT? Have u ever asked urself why there was no Kurdish problem in Turkey till early 80s? Have u ever asked urself what's the triggering role of Hellene-Armenian-Kurdish Lobby of creation of the Kurdish problem in Turkey? Have u ever asked urself whats the relationship between u and Pick-a-boo? I guess u meant ALLAH BELASINI VERSIN

Insan(e), you have left all of us with a lot of questions.!

How about answers to each one of those questions from you also.!

[Bananiot]

Eirini-Baris, I stood up against the nationalist for as long as I remember and I am pleased to let you know of a secret. We are a lot of us now! We believe in friendship and solidarity of the people as the only progressive way forward. Humanity is our ideology and in our ranks there are people from all the political spectra who understand that all wars in modern history were started for national reasons.

[YFred]

Eirini-Baris, I stood up against the nationalist for as long as I remember and I am pleased to let you know of a secret. We are a lot of us now! We believe in friendship and solidarity of the people as the only progressive way forward. Humanity is our ideology and in our ranks there are people from all the political spectra who understand that all wars in modern history were started for national reasons.

Bananiat, in Cyprus today, we are in the majority. The nationalists on both sides not only are in the minority, but have been abondened by their manipulaters.

Its the last kick of the dying beast, fortunatlely for us.

This hell will turn into heaven sooner or later. with ot without them.

Keep it up.

[Get Real!]

Kifeas, have u ever asked yourself why Kurds and Turks struggled together to form a republic named ROT? Have u ever asked urself why there was no Kurdish problem in Turkey till early 80s? Have u ever asked urself what's the triggering role of Hellene-Armenian-Kurdish Lobby of creation of the Kurdish problem in Turkey? Have u ever asked urself whats the relationship between u and Pick-a-boo? I guess u meant ALLAH BELASINI VERSIN

Insan(e), you have left all of us with a lot of questions.!

How about answers to each one of those questions from you also.!

Don’t be such a spoil-sport!

It’s an old coffee shop “tactic”!

Ask questions so that everyone will (supposedly) assume you already have the "brilliant" answers!

[Get Real!]

Eirini-Baris, I stood up against the nationalist for as long as I remember...

So which Nationalists have you stood up against so far Bananiot?

The Turkish Nationalists?

The Turkish Cypriot pseudo-Nationalists? (Pseudo because their “nation” is not!)

The Greek Nationalists?

The Cypriot Nationalists?


PS: Don’t say “all of them” because then I’ll know you’re lying…

[Kifeas]

It has been getting extremely difficult to have a meaningful debate with Piratis. His one track mind will not allow any ifs and buts. Lately he is suggesting that the majority has the right to do anything it likes with the minority. In fact, this is what got us into this predicament but I challenge anyone to try to tell this to Piratis. When presented with facts about a concensus that was reached (Makarios said we won, on his arrival to Cyprus in 1959) Piratis claims that our arm was twisted and thus our signature does not count. I can not understand this mentality of blaming everything on the others, but I suppose it is a greek cypriot phenomenon. After signing the London Zurich agreements, a jubilant Makarios asked Karamanlis "did you really think that I would not sign it?". Karamanlis never forgave him, for Makarios basked in the glory and also held a bit back and whenever he was confronted with difficulties he would blame Karamanlis and Greece for twisting his arm to sign the agreements.

In all serious nations minorities are protected by strict laws (in fact all laws are made to safeguard the interests of the weak). In 1960 we decided that we would not stick to the agreements we signed but we would use them as a stepping stone for enosis. If the minority objected to this we would deal with it and to this effect the state (tragic) set up the paramilitary armies of Lyssarides, Yiorgadgis and Sampson that reigned terror on innocent people.

The kind of solution we are looking for today cannot but take into account the events which unfolded in 1963. We cannot just say, sorry! and start again from scratch. This is not how the world is run. Germany lost huge chunks of territory after losing two wars but today the Germans have learnt to live with this, after they apologised to the world. I am not saying that our wrong doings nearly approach the magnitude of the nazi terror but I am using this example in order to illustrate the point of how things work in the real world.

A compromise today is the best we can do and I take heart when I hear Turkish Cypriots, like Eirini-Baris and the other moderate and progressive friends of the forum who are willing to give peace another chance, for this is the only way to save our island. Thoughts like "you killed 1000's while we only killed 100's defending our rights" are only feeding the nationalist minautor that has reaped through the heart of Cyprus and still cries for more Cypriot blood. Enough with the nationalists, they have done their damage, they are the problem and they cannot be part of the solution.

Bananiot, if we Greek Cypriots must accept to forget our 4,000 years of history in this country, vs. the 400 years of the TCs, accept to forget that we are the 80% of the country’s people, and split everything in two and share it with the Turkish Cypriots, as a form of punishment, according to your suggestion, for having done only about 1/10th against the Turkish Cypriots during 5-6 years in the 1960’s to what has Turkey been doing for the last 50 years against the Kurdish people in Turkey; what should Turkey’s punishment be, for doing 10 times more against the Kurds, and for far too longer? What should Turkey’s punishment be for wiping out of the face of Anatolia almost every single and more than a million Armenians, and all the Greeks that remained there? What should Britain’s punishment be, for having colonized and exploited nearly half of the planet for more than a century, and initiated or perpetrated numerous massacres and hardships against smaller and weaker peoples? What should Israel’s punishment should be, for doing 100 times worst than what we might have possibly done against the TCs? What should Turkey’s punishment be, for what it did in 1974 in Cyprus against the Greek Cypriots?

Since you have already made your verdict as to us having to be punished in accepting Turkey’s and nationalist TC’s solution recipe, can you also provide another such punishment recipes against Turkey, Britain and Israel for example, for the far worst crimes and mistakes they did and continue doing in the above examples I gave you, or you know how to apply Vaseline in the asses of the Greek Cypriots only?

ALLAH BELASIN VERSİN!!!

Kifeas, have u ever asked yourself why Kurds and Turks struggled together to form a republic named ROT? Have u ever asked urself why there was no Kurdish problem in Turkey till early 80s? Have u ever asked urself what's the triggering role of Hellene-Armenian-Kurdish Lobby of creation of the Kurdish problem in Turkey? Have u ever asked urself whats the relationship between u and Pick-a-boo? I guess u meant ALLAH BELASINI VERSIN

I see ...Insan ...I see!!! You are the special and chosen people of god on earth, and even though you are a minority of 18% and with a history in Cyprus of only 1/10 of the majority, you must be the only ones to have the privilege of absolute collective equality with the majority on a 50:50 level; while the Kurds, even though they have a history pre-dating the Turks in the region, they must be treated worse than a small minority, because they are Kurds and thus subhuman, instead of being Turks like you and thus superhuman. I see, Insan. The Kurds should not have the right to even be represented in Turkey as a separate community (they are mountain Turks according to your genius father,) and do not even be able to use their own language to speak -set aside in an official sense; while you, because you are Turks, you have the "divine" right to share with the majority on a 50:50 collective basis, and even have complete and full autonomy in lands you have usurped from others. I see ...., the difference is that the Kurds are kurds and therefore sub-humans, and you, Turks and therefore superhuman. After all, it was your genius father again who told you that "one Turks equals the whole world," and blew your heads off, wasn't he? How did I miss this very important detail?

[YFred]

It has been getting extremely difficult to have a meaningful debate with Piratis. His one track mind will not allow any ifs and buts. Lately he is suggesting that the majority has the right to do anything it likes with the minority. In fact, this is what got us into this predicament but I challenge anyone to try to tell this to Piratis. When presented with facts about a concensus that was reached (Makarios said we won, on his arrival to Cyprus in 1959) Piratis claims that our arm was twisted and thus our signature does not count. I can not understand this mentality of blaming everything on the others, but I suppose it is a greek cypriot phenomenon. After signing the London Zurich agreements, a jubilant Makarios asked Karamanlis "did you really think that I would not sign it?". Karamanlis never forgave him, for Makarios basked in the glory and also held a bit back and whenever he was confronted with difficulties he would blame Karamanlis and Greece for twisting his arm to sign the agreements.

In all serious nations minorities are protected by strict laws (in fact all laws are made to safeguard the interests of the weak). In 1960 we decided that we would not stick to the agreements we signed but we would use them as a stepping stone for enosis. If the minority objected to this we would deal with it and to this effect the state (tragic) set up the paramilitary armies of Lyssarides, Yiorgadgis and Sampson that reigned terror on innocent people.

The kind of solution we are looking for today cannot but take into account the events which unfolded in 1963. We cannot just say, sorry! and start again from scratch. This is not how the world is run. Germany lost huge chunks of territory after losing two wars but today the Germans have learnt to live with this, after they apologised to the world. I am not saying that our wrong doings nearly approach the magnitude of the nazi terror but I am using this example in order to illustrate the point of how things work in the real world.

A compromise today is the best we can do and I take heart when I hear Turkish Cypriots, like Eirini-Baris and the other moderate and progressive friends of the forum who are willing to give peace another chance, for this is the only way to save our island. Thoughts like "you killed 1000's while we only killed 100's defending our rights" are only feeding the nationalist minautor that has reaped through the heart of Cyprus and still cries for more Cypriot blood. Enough with the nationalists, they have done their damage, they are the problem and they cannot be part of the solution.

Bananiot, if we Greek Cypriots must accept to forget our 4,000 years of history in this country, vs. the 400 years of the TCs, accept to forget that we are the 80% of the country’s people, and split everything in two and share it with the Turkish Cypriots, as a form of punishment, according to your suggestion, for having done only about 1/10th against the Turkish Cypriots during 5-6 years in the 1960’s to what has Turkey been doing for the last 50 years against the Kurdish people in Turkey; what should Turkey’s punishment be, for doing 10 times more against the Kurds, and for far too longer? What should Turkey’s punishment be for wiping out of the face of Anatolia almost every single and more than a million Armenians, and all the Greeks that remained there? What should Britain’s punishment be, for having colonized and exploited nearly half of the planet for more than a century, and initiated or perpetrated numerous massacres and hardships against smaller and weaker peoples? What should Israel’s punishment should be, for doing 100 times worst than what we might have possibly done against the TCs? What should Turkey’s punishment be, for what it did in 1974 in Cyprus against the Greek Cypriots?

Since you have already made your verdict as to us having to be punished in accepting Turkey’s and nationalist TC’s solution recipe, can you also provide another such punishment recipes against Turkey, Britain and Israel for example, for the far worst crimes and mistakes they did and continue doing in the above examples I gave you, or you know how to apply Vaseline in the asses of the Greek Cypriots only?

ALLAH BELASIN VERSİN!!!

Kifeas, have u ever asked yourself why Kurds and Turks struggled together to form a republic named ROT? Have u ever asked urself why there was no Kurdish problem in Turkey till early 80s? Have u ever asked urself what's the triggering role of Hellene-Armenian-Kurdish Lobby of creation of the Kurdish problem in Turkey? Have u ever asked urself whats the relationship between u and Pick-a-boo? I guess u meant ALLAH BELASINI VERSIN

I see ...Insan ...I see!!! You are the special and chosen people of god on earth, and even though you are a minority of 18% and with a history in Cyprus of only 1/10 of the majority, you must be the only ones to have the privilege of absolute collective equality with the majority on a 50:50 level; while the Kurds, even though they have a history pre-dating the Turks in the region, they must be treated worse than a small minority, because they are Kurds and thus subhuman, instead of being Turks like you and thus superhuman. I see, Insan. The Kurds should not have the right to even be represented in Turkey as a separate community (they are mountain Turks according to your genius father,) and do not even be able to use their own language to speak -set aside in an official sense; while you, because you are Turks, you have the "divine" right to share with the majority on a 50:50 collective basis, and even have complete and full autonomy in lands you have usurped from others. I see ...., the difference is that the Kurds are kurds and therefore sub-humans, and you, Turks and therefore superhuman. After all, it was your father who said to you that "one Turks equals the whole world," and blew your heads off, wasn't he? How did I miss this very important detail?

So please explain, what exactly are you advocating?
Would you like The Kurds to have the same as TC's or Would you prefer the TC's to have the same as the Kurds.

I know which one I'd choose. I would like the Kurds to at least have the same as TC's, but to be given the choice to choose.

[insan]

It has been getting extremely difficult to have a meaningful debate with Piratis. His one track mind will not allow any ifs and buts. Lately he is suggesting that the majority has the right to do anything it likes with the minority. In fact, this is what got us into this predicament but I challenge anyone to try to tell this to Piratis. When presented with facts about a concensus that was reached (Makarios said we won, on his arrival to Cyprus in 1959) Piratis claims that our arm was twisted and thus our signature does not count. I can not understand this mentality of blaming everything on the others, but I suppose it is a greek cypriot phenomenon. After signing the London Zurich agreements, a jubilant Makarios asked Karamanlis "did you really think that I would not sign it?". Karamanlis never forgave him, for Makarios basked in the glory and also held a bit back and whenever he was confronted with difficulties he would blame Karamanlis and Greece for twisting his arm to sign the agreements.

In all serious nations minorities are protected by strict laws (in fact all laws are made to safeguard the interests of the weak). In 1960 we decided that we would not stick to the agreements we signed but we would use them as a stepping stone for enosis. If the minority objected to this we would deal with it and to this effect the state (tragic) set up the paramilitary armies of Lyssarides, Yiorgadgis and Sampson that reigned terror on innocent people.

The kind of solution we are looking for today cannot but take into account the events which unfolded in 1963. We cannot just say, sorry! and start again from scratch. This is not how the world is run. Germany lost huge chunks of territory after losing two wars but today the Germans have learnt to live with this, after they apologised to the world. I am not saying that our wrong doings nearly approach the magnitude of the nazi terror but I am using this example in order to illustrate the point of how things work in the real world.

A compromise today is the best we can do and I take heart when I hear Turkish Cypriots, like Eirini-Baris and the other moderate and progressive friends of the forum who are willing to give peace another chance, for this is the only way to save our island. Thoughts like "you killed 1000's while we only killed 100's defending our rights" are only feeding the nationalist minautor that has reaped through the heart of Cyprus and still cries for more Cypriot blood. Enough with the nationalists, they have done their damage, they are the problem and they cannot be part of the solution.

Bananiot, if we Greek Cypriots must accept to forget our 4,000 years of history in this country, vs. the 400 years of the TCs, accept to forget that we are the 80% of the country’s people, and split everything in two and share it with the Turkish Cypriots, as a form of punishment, according to your suggestion, for having done only about 1/10th against the Turkish Cypriots during 5-6 years in the 1960’s to what has Turkey been doing for the last 50 years against the Kurdish people in Turkey; what should Turkey’s punishment be, for doing 10 times more against the Kurds, and for far too longer? What should Turkey’s punishment be for wiping out of the face of Anatolia almost every single and more than a million Armenians, and all the Greeks that remained there? What should Britain’s punishment be, for having colonized and exploited nearly half of the planet for more than a century, and initiated or perpetrated numerous massacres and hardships against smaller and weaker peoples? What should Israel’s punishment should be, for doing 100 times worst than what we might have possibly done against the TCs? What should Turkey’s punishment be, for what it did in 1974 in Cyprus against the Greek Cypriots?

Since you have already made your verdict as to us having to be punished in accepting Turkey’s and nationalist TC’s solution recipe, can you also provide another such punishment recipes against Turkey, Britain and Israel for example, for the far worst crimes and mistakes they did and continue doing in the above examples I gave you, or you know how to apply Vaseline in the asses of the Greek Cypriots only?

ALLAH BELASIN VERSİN!!!

Kifeas, have u ever asked yourself why Kurds and Turks struggled together to form a republic named ROT? Have u ever asked urself why there was no Kurdish problem in Turkey till early 80s? Have u ever asked urself what's the triggering role of Hellene-Armenian-Kurdish Lobby of creation of the Kurdish problem in Turkey? Have u ever asked urself whats the relationship between u and Pick-a-boo? I guess u meant ALLAH BELASINI VERSIN

I see ...Insan ...I see!!! You are the special and chosen people of god on earth, and even though you are a minority of 18% and with a history in Cyprus of only 1/10 of the majority, you must be the only ones to have the privilege of absolute collective equality with the majority on a 50:50 level; while the Kurds, even though they have a history pre-dating the Turks in the region, they must be treated worse than a small minority, because they are Kurds and thus subhuman, instead of being Turks like you and thus superhuman. I see, Insan. The Kurds should not have the right to even be represented in Turkey as a separate community (they are mountain Turks according to your genius father,) and do not even be able to use their own language to speak -set aside in an official sense; while you, because you are Turks, you have the "divine" right to share with the majority on a 50:50 collective basis, and even have complete and full autonomy in lands you have usurped from others. I see ...., the difference is that the Kurds are kurds and therefore sub-humans, and you, Turks and therefore superhuman. After all, it was your father who said to you that "one Turks equals the whole world," and blew your heads off, wasn't he? How did I miss this very important detail?

What u stated in ur above reply is totally irrelevant with what i asked to u... Ur predictions amd misinterpretations abt me, Turks of Turkey and Kurds of Turkey r also irrelevant to what i asked to u. U need to study the history of Turkey a lot more without prejudice and fear of not finding anything related with Cyprus problem but a lot of things related with the so-called Kurdish problem which r the propaganda activities and destructive beahavours of Hellene- Kurdish(mostly non-Turkey citizens) - Armenian lobbyists.

[Kifeas]

It has been getting extremely difficult to have a meaningful debate with Piratis. His one track mind will not allow any ifs and buts. Lately he is suggesting that the majority has the right to do anything it likes with the minority. In fact, this is what got us into this predicament but I challenge anyone to try to tell this to Piratis. When presented with facts about a concensus that was reached (Makarios said we won, on his arrival to Cyprus in 1959) Piratis claims that our arm was twisted and thus our signature does not count. I can not understand this mentality of blaming everything on the others, but I suppose it is a greek cypriot phenomenon. After signing the London Zurich agreements, a jubilant Makarios asked Karamanlis "did you really think that I would not sign it?". Karamanlis never forgave him, for Makarios basked in the glory and also held a bit back and whenever he was confronted with difficulties he would blame Karamanlis and Greece for twisting his arm to sign the agreements.

In all serious nations minorities are protected by strict laws (in fact all laws are made to safeguard the interests of the weak). In 1960 we decided that we would not stick to the agreements we signed but we would use them as a stepping stone for enosis. If the minority objected to this we would deal with it and to this effect the state (tragic) set up the paramilitary armies of Lyssarides, Yiorgadgis and Sampson that reigned terror on innocent people.

The kind of solution we are looking for today cannot but take into account the events which unfolded in 1963. We cannot just say, sorry! and start again from scratch. This is not how the world is run. Germany lost huge chunks of territory after losing two wars but today the Germans have learnt to live with this, after they apologised to the world. I am not saying that our wrong doings nearly approach the magnitude of the nazi terror but I am using this example in order to illustrate the point of how things work in the real world.

A compromise today is the best we can do and I take heart when I hear Turkish Cypriots, like Eirini-Baris and the other moderate and progressive friends of the forum who are willing to give peace another chance, for this is the only way to save our island. Thoughts like "you killed 1000's while we only killed 100's defending our rights" are only feeding the nationalist minautor that has reaped through the heart of Cyprus and still cries for more Cypriot blood. Enough with the nationalists, they have done their damage, they are the problem and they cannot be part of the solution.

Bananiot, if we Greek Cypriots must accept to forget our 4,000 years of history in this country, vs. the 400 years of the TCs, accept to forget that we are the 80% of the country’s people, and split everything in two and share it with the Turkish Cypriots, as a form of punishment, according to your suggestion, for having done only about 1/10th against the Turkish Cypriots during 5-6 years in the 1960’s to what has Turkey been doing for the last 50 years against the Kurdish people in Turkey; what should Turkey’s punishment be, for doing 10 times more against the Kurds, and for far too longer? What should Turkey’s punishment be for wiping out of the face of Anatolia almost every single and more than a million Armenians, and all the Greeks that remained there? What should Britain’s punishment be, for having colonized and exploited nearly half of the planet for more than a century, and initiated or perpetrated numerous massacres and hardships against smaller and weaker peoples? What should Israel’s punishment should be, for doing 100 times worst than what we might have possibly done against the TCs? What should Turkey’s punishment be, for what it did in 1974 in Cyprus against the Greek Cypriots?

Since you have already made your verdict as to us having to be punished in accepting Turkey’s and nationalist TC’s solution recipe, can you also provide another such punishment recipes against Turkey, Britain and Israel for example, for the far worst crimes and mistakes they did and continue doing in the above examples I gave you, or you know how to apply Vaseline in the asses of the Greek Cypriots only?

ALLAH BELASIN VERSİN!!!

Kifeas, have u ever asked yourself why Kurds and Turks struggled together to form a republic named ROT? Have u ever asked urself why there was no Kurdish problem in Turkey till early 80s? Have u ever asked urself what's the triggering role of Hellene-Armenian-Kurdish Lobby of creation of the Kurdish problem in Turkey? Have u ever asked urself whats the relationship between u and Pick-a-boo? I guess u meant ALLAH BELASINI VERSIN

I see ...Insan ...I see!!! You are the special and chosen people of god on earth, and even though you are a minority of 18% and with a history in Cyprus of only 1/10 of the majority, you must be the only ones to have the privilege of absolute collective equality with the majority on a 50:50 level; while the Kurds, even though they have a history pre-dating the Turks in the region, they must be treated worse than a small minority, because they are Kurds and thus subhuman, instead of being Turks like you and thus superhuman. I see, Insan. The Kurds should not have the right to even be represented in Turkey as a separate community (they are mountain Turks according to your genius father,) and do not even be able to use their own language to speak -set aside in an official sense; while you, because you are Turks, you have the "divine" right to share with the majority on a 50:50 collective basis, and even have complete and full autonomy in lands you have usurped from others. I see ...., the difference is that the Kurds are kurds and therefore sub-humans, and you, Turks and therefore superhuman. After all, it was your father who said to you that "one Turks equals the whole world," and blew your heads off, wasn't he? How did I miss this very important detail?

So please explain, what exactly are you advocating?
Would you like The Kurds to have the same as TC's or Would you prefer the TC's to have the same as the Kurds.

I know which one I'd choose. I would like the Kurds to at least have the same as TC's, but to be given the choice to choose.

NOooo, YFred, Noooo! Why should the Kurds have the same as you? Are you and Kurds the same? They are Kurds, and even if being the majority in their region, they should not have any rights, because they are either non-Kurds but mountain Turks, or if they are Kurds they are subhuman and inferior to Turks. You on the other hand, you are Turks and each one of you equals the whole world! How come you can be the same?

The choice to choose what? To choose if they remain Kurds and sub-humans, or to remain mountain Turks and be humans? What are they suppose to choose?