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[Ierini-Baris]

C. D. Cobham, Excerpta Cypria, materials for a history of Cyprus (Cambridge 1908). Includes the Classical Sources.

[Ierini-Baris]

Werent they the first settlers on the island . As far as I know and history suggests they were...

Which history suggests this? Which are your sources?

The first written source shows Cyprus under Assyrian rule

[Ierini-Baris]

Werent they the first settlers on the island . As far as I know and history suggests they were...

Which history suggests this? Which are your sources?

The first written source shows Cyprus under Assyrian rule

I am trying to improve my knowledge because its too complicated for me many empires ,kingdoms, different Greeks fighting for Cyprus..Not trying to make a point that you make the island Greek. I respect the Greek existence in the island for hundreads of years...

[Bananiot]

It has been getting extremely difficult to have a meaningful debate with Piratis. His one track mind will not allow any ifs and buts. Lately he is suggesting that the majority has the right to do anything it likes with the minority. In fact, this is what got us into this predicament but I challenge anyone to try to tell this to Piratis. When presented with facts about a concensus that was reached (Makarios said we won, on his arrival to Cyprus in 1959) Piratis claims that our arm was twisted and thus our signature does not count. I can not understand this mentality of blaming everything on the others, but I suppose it is a greek cypriot phenomenon. After signing the London Zurich agreements, a jubilant Makarios asked Karamanlis "did you really think that I would not sign it?". Karamanlis never forgave him, for Makarios basked in the glory and also held a bit back and whenever he was confronted with difficulties he would blame Karamanlis and Greece for twisting his arm to sign the agreements.

In all serious nations minorities are protected by strict laws (in fact all laws are made to safeguard the interests of the weak). In 1960 we decided that we would not stick to the agreements we signed but we would use them as a stepping stone for enosis. If the minority objected to this we would deal with it and to this effect the state (tragic) set up the paramilitary armies of Lyssarides, Yiorgadgis and Sampson that reigned terror on innocent people.

The kind of solution we are looking for today cannot but take into account the events which unfolded in 1963. We cannot just say, sorry! and start again from scratch. This is not how the world is run. Germany lost huge chunks of territory after losing two wars but today the Germans have learnt to live with this, after they apologised to the world. I am not saying that our wrong doings nearly approach the magnitude of the nazi terror but I am using this example in order to illustrate the point of how things work in the real world.

A compromise today is the best we can do and I take heart when I hear Turkish Cypriots, like Eirini-Baris and the other moderate and progressive friends of the forum who are willing to give peace another chance, for this is the only way to save our island. Thoughts like "you killed 1000's while we only killed 100's defending our rights" are only feeding the nationalist minautor that has reaped through the heart of Cyprus and still cries for more Cypriot blood. Enough with the nationalists, they have done their damage, they are the problem and they cannot be part of the solution.

[boulio]

if someone can please translate very interesting article on the 1959 zurich agreements:

http://www.ethnos.gr/article.asp?catid= ... id=2456808

[Kifeas]

It has been getting extremely difficult to have a meaningful debate with Piratis. His one track mind will not allow any ifs and buts. Lately he is suggesting that the majority has the right to do anything it likes with the minority. In fact, this is what got us into this predicament but I challenge anyone to try to tell this to Piratis. When presented with facts about a concensus that was reached (Makarios said we won, on his arrival to Cyprus in 1959) Piratis claims that our arm was twisted and thus our signature does not count. I can not understand this mentality of blaming everything on the others, but I suppose it is a greek cypriot phenomenon. After signing the London Zurich agreements, a jubilant Makarios asked Karamanlis "did you really think that I would not sign it?". Karamanlis never forgave him, for Makarios basked in the glory and also held a bit back and whenever he was confronted with difficulties he would blame Karamanlis and Greece for twisting his arm to sign the agreements.

In all serious nations minorities are protected by strict laws (in fact all laws are made to safeguard the interests of the weak). In 1960 we decided that we would not stick to the agreements we signed but we would use them as a stepping stone for enosis. If the minority objected to this we would deal with it and to this effect the state (tragic) set up the paramilitary armies of Lyssarides, Yiorgadgis and Sampson that reigned terror on innocent people.

The kind of solution we are looking for today cannot but take into account the events which unfolded in 1963. We cannot just say, sorry! and start again from scratch. This is not how the world is run. Germany lost huge chunks of territory after losing two wars but today the Germans have learnt to live with this, after they apologised to the world. I am not saying that our wrong doings nearly approach the magnitude of the nazi terror but I am using this example in order to illustrate the point of how things work in the real world.

A compromise today is the best we can do and I take heart when I hear Turkish Cypriots, like Eirini-Baris and the other moderate and progressive friends of the forum who are willing to give peace another chance, for this is the only way to save our island. Thoughts like "you killed 1000's while we only killed 100's defending our rights" are only feeding the nationalist minautor that has reaped through the heart of Cyprus and still cries for more Cypriot blood. Enough with the nationalists, they have done their damage, they are the problem and they cannot be part of the solution.

Bananiot, if we Greek Cypriots must accept to forget our 4,000 years of history in this country, vs. the 400 years of the TCs, accept to forget that we are the 80% of the country’s people, and split everything in two and share it with the Turkish Cypriots, as a form of punishment, according to your suggestion, for having done only about 1/10th against the Turkish Cypriots during 5-6 years in the 1960’s to what has Turkey been doing for the last 50 years against the Kurdish people in Turkey; what should Turkey’s punishment be, for doing 10 times more against the Kurds, and for far too longer? What should Turkey’s punishment be for wiping out of the face of Anatolia almost every single and more than a million Armenians, and all the Greeks that remained there? What should Britain’s punishment be, for having colonized and exploited nearly half of the planet for more than a century, and initiated or perpetrated numerous massacres and hardships against smaller and weaker peoples? What should Israel’s punishment should be, for doing 100 times worst than what we might have possibly done against the TCs? What should Turkey’s punishment be, for what it did in 1974 in Cyprus against the Greek Cypriots?

Since you have already made your verdict as to us having to be punished in accepting Turkey’s and nationalist TC’s solution recipe, can you also provide another such punishment recipes against Turkey, Britain and Israel for example, for the far worst crimes and mistakes they did and continue doing in the above examples I gave you, or you know how to apply Vaseline in the asses of the Greek Cypriots only?

ALLAH BELASIN VERSİN!!!

[Get Real!]

In all serious nations minorities are protected by strict laws (in fact all laws are made to safeguard the interests of the weak).

You’ve answered your own question!

Serious nations would never accept applying an undemocratic community based political system that gives advantages to a minority thereby guaranteeing disaster would they?

Had they been serious they would’ve applied democracy that also happens to contain minority protection rights wouldn’t they?

Now you know how non-serious the London/Zurich agreements were and who they intended to serve…

[Ierini-Baris]

It has been getting extremely difficult to have a meaningful debate with Piratis. His one track mind will not allow any ifs and buts. Lately he is suggesting that the majority has the right to do anything it likes with the minority. In fact, this is what got us into this predicament but I challenge anyone to try to tell this to Piratis. When presented with facts about a concensus that was reached (Makarios said we won, on his arrival to Cyprus in 1959) Piratis claims that our arm was twisted and thus our signature does not count. I can not understand this mentality of blaming everything on the others, but I suppose it is a greek cypriot phenomenon. After signing the London Zurich agreements, a jubilant Makarios asked Karamanlis "did you really think that I would not sign it?". Karamanlis never forgave him, for Makarios basked in the glory and also held a bit back and whenever he was confronted with difficulties he would blame Karamanlis and Greece for twisting his arm to sign the agreements.

In all serious nations minorities are protected by strict laws (in fact all laws are made to safeguard the interests of the weak). In 1960 we decided that we would not stick to the agreements we signed but we would use them as a stepping stone for enosis. If the minority objected to this we would deal with it and to this effect the state (tragic) set up the paramilitary armies of Lyssarides, Yiorgadgis and Sampson that reigned terror on innocent people.

The kind of solution we are looking for today cannot but take into account the events which unfolded in 1963. We cannot just say, sorry! and start again from scratch. This is not how the world is run. Germany lost huge chunks of territory after losing two wars but today the Germans have learnt to live with this, after they apologised to the world. I am not saying that our wrong doings nearly approach the magnitude of the nazi terror but I am using this example in order to illustrate the point of how things work in the real world.

A compromise today is the best we can do and I take heart when I hear Turkish Cypriots, like Eirini-Baris and the other moderate and progressive friends of the forum who are willing to give peace another chance, for this is the only way to save our island. Thoughts like "you killed 1000's while we only killed 100's defending our rights" are only feeding the nationalist minautor that has reaped through the heart of Cyprus and still cries for more Cypriot blood. Enough with the nationalists, they have done their damage, they are the problem and they cannot be part of the solution.

Its good to hear some GC friends debating against the nationalists..Thank you Bananiot ... I have been saying this for a while...Priority is a longleaving peace which can not be obtained by racist , nationalist, facist views of solution...

[Get Real!]

Its good to hear some GC friends debating against the nationalists..Thank you Bananiot ... I have been saying this for a while...Priority is a longleaving peace which can not be obtained by racist , nationalist, facist views of solution...

Bananiot is no Nationalist, but a confused individual who needs all the help he can get from us.

[insan]

It has been getting extremely difficult to have a meaningful debate with Piratis. His one track mind will not allow any ifs and buts. Lately he is suggesting that the majority has the right to do anything it likes with the minority. In fact, this is what got us into this predicament but I challenge anyone to try to tell this to Piratis. When presented with facts about a concensus that was reached (Makarios said we won, on his arrival to Cyprus in 1959) Piratis claims that our arm was twisted and thus our signature does not count. I can not understand this mentality of blaming everything on the others, but I suppose it is a greek cypriot phenomenon. After signing the London Zurich agreements, a jubilant Makarios asked Karamanlis "did you really think that I would not sign it?". Karamanlis never forgave him, for Makarios basked in the glory and also held a bit back and whenever he was confronted with difficulties he would blame Karamanlis and Greece for twisting his arm to sign the agreements.

In all serious nations minorities are protected by strict laws (in fact all laws are made to safeguard the interests of the weak). In 1960 we decided that we would not stick to the agreements we signed but we would use them as a stepping stone for enosis. If the minority objected to this we would deal with it and to this effect the state (tragic) set up the paramilitary armies of Lyssarides, Yiorgadgis and Sampson that reigned terror on innocent people.

The kind of solution we are looking for today cannot but take into account the events which unfolded in 1963. We cannot just say, sorry! and start again from scratch. This is not how the world is run. Germany lost huge chunks of territory after losing two wars but today the Germans have learnt to live with this, after they apologised to the world. I am not saying that our wrong doings nearly approach the magnitude of the nazi terror but I am using this example in order to illustrate the point of how things work in the real world.

A compromise today is the best we can do and I take heart when I hear Turkish Cypriots, like Eirini-Baris and the other moderate and progressive friends of the forum who are willing to give peace another chance, for this is the only way to save our island. Thoughts like "you killed 1000's while we only killed 100's defending our rights" are only feeding the nationalist minautor that has reaped through the heart of Cyprus and still cries for more Cypriot blood. Enough with the nationalists, they have done their damage, they are the problem and they cannot be part of the solution.

Bananiot, if we Greek Cypriots must accept to forget our 4,000 years of history in this country, vs. the 400 years of the TCs, accept to forget that we are the 80% of the country’s people, and split everything in two and share it with the Turkish Cypriots, as a form of punishment, according to your suggestion, for having done only about 1/10th against the Turkish Cypriots during 5-6 years in the 1960’s to what has Turkey been doing for the last 50 years against the Kurdish people in Turkey; what should Turkey’s punishment be, for doing 10 times more against the Kurds, and for far too longer? What should Turkey’s punishment be for wiping out of the face of Anatolia almost every single and more than a million Armenians, and all the Greeks that remained there? What should Britain’s punishment be, for having colonized and exploited nearly half of the planet for more than a century, and initiated or perpetrated numerous massacres and hardships against smaller and weaker peoples? What should Israel’s punishment should be, for doing 100 times worst than what we might have possibly done against the TCs? What should Turkey’s punishment be, for what it did in 1974 in Cyprus against the Greek Cypriots?

Since you have already made your verdict as to us having to be punished in accepting Turkey’s and nationalist TC’s solution recipe, can you also provide another such punishment recipes against Turkey, Britain and Israel for example, for the far worst crimes and mistakes they did and continue doing in the above examples I gave you, or you know how to apply Vaseline in the asses of the Greek Cypriots only?

ALLAH BELASIN VERSİN!!!

Kifeas, have u ever asked yourself why Kurds and Turks struggled together to form a republic named ROT? Have u ever asked urself why there was no Kurdish problem in Turkey till early 80s? Have u ever asked urself what's the triggering role of Hellene-Armenian-Kurdish Lobby of creation of the Kurdish problem in Turkey? Have u ever asked urself whats the relationship between u and Pick-a-boo? I guess u meant ALLAH BELASINI VERSIN