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[Piratis]

Dear Piratis:

Do you know your beloved Greece ( Cunta) had an agreement with Turkey (Cunta) to divide the island and one part of it to join Turkey ( the invaders) according to you... You state :And again, you are the ones who committed the crimes. The Turks have started all wars and conflicts in Cyprus. Right from the very first one in 1571, until the last one in 1974. Cypriots only responded to the Turkish attacks against us.

What about 15th July 1974. What TCs had to do with it or any other attacks made on left wing people of GCs....

To my point of view national socialists (Fascist movements promote violent conflict between nations,) communities in our case...

I do not support the Turkish armys misuse of guarantor rights and they obviously done some crime against human rights ...As did Greece encouraging Facists to kill anyone who prevents them joining the island to Greece...

See in which part of this case TCs were the initialazer of events...

I have no hope that you will accept that you can not blame other nations communities for everything...

I am talking about the conflicts between Cypriots and Turks. All of them were started by the Turks.

The coupists attacked Greek Cypriots, not TCs, and the Greek Cypriots fought against the coupists. How was that an excuse for the Turks to attack Cyprus and start killing innocent people?

Many coups happened in Turkey as well. Does that mean that another country had the right to invade Turkey and start ethnically cleansing innocent people because a coup happened?

I don't know if the Junta of Greece and the Turkish junta had agreement for partition of Cyprus. Maybe they did. Either way they were criminals and that is why those Greek Junta generals rot in jail today. (but the Turkish ones still rule the country!)

[Piratis]

Another question that I have to Piratis ? Could you tell me If he was happy with Venetians or Lusignans ruling Cyprus ?
I really can not understand How Cyprus is related to Greece ..Which part in history Did Greek Empire ruled Cyprus making Greek speaking Cpriot friends Greek Cypriots ? I appologize for anything I do not know in History that is why I am asking and beileve Piratis will come up with some good data//

Thank you Piratis

Empires are build by oppressing other nations, and those who they oppress do not become their friends usually.

If you don't know history then you should learn it. What I can tell you is that the Cypriots didn't wake up yesterday and magically started speaking Greek and being Greek Orthodox. This is how we have been for 1000s of years.

[Piratis]

Piratis you did not answer any of my questions ..I am waiting..

Full Hellenisation only took place under Ptolemaic rule. Phoenician and native Cypriot traits disappeared, together with the old Cypriot syllabic script.

I also want some answers to this statement...

The Phonecians had only one city on the east of the island, while there were several Greek cities.

The Cypriot syllabic script was used to write Greek, and it was gradually replaced with the Greek Alphabet, which according to the most creditable evidence was discovered in Cyprus by the natives of this island:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 151297.php

Cyprus is an integral part of the Greek civilization and played an important role in the initial creation of this civilization.

Beyond that, I don't know what you mean by "full Hellenization" Some minorities always existed in Cyprus, just like they exist everywhere. I don't think there was ever an attempt to remove any of the minorities, except maybe when the Jews were expelled by the Romans.

Of course most minorities gradually assimilate. I don't know if this is what you mean by "full Hellenization".

[Ierini-Baris]

I agree with you my friend all Junta leaders should be in jail .They have started putting them in jail even in Turkey at least 20 of them are in putten in jail lately ( Ergenekon = a terrorist group formed by generals that support partition in Cyprus ( I never support them)...

But you can not call a community who was on the island for 400 years as non- cypriots ( Turks). I know you are quite into human rights . I guess we have the right to decide which nation or community we beileve we are ..I am proudly a Turkish speaking Cypriot..Why is that so hard to accept that...

I can also apologize for the mistakes of TCs joing English forces in 1950s ..It was a mistake and TCs were fooled by British divide and rule policy. They did have reasons to be fooled tough..Majority of GCs asking for Enosis...Even though it was still a mistake...

What was the aim of coupists ? They were aiming cleanensing the island of anyone who stands in their way to join the island to Greece.. What do you think would happen If Turkish invasion did not happen ?

[Ierini-Baris]

I mean the Assyrians Piratis...They were not a minority. Were They ?

[Piratis]

But you can not call a community who was on the island for 400 years as non- cypriots ( Turks). I know you are quite into human rights . I guess we have the right to decide which nation or community we beileve we are ..I am proudly a Turkish speaking Cypriot..Why is that so hard to accept that...

I have no problem to accept it.

I was talking about Murataga and people like him, not about the whole community. Some people like Murataga claim that they belong to a separate nation from us, if they belong to a separate nation, then obviously they are foreigners.

What was the aim of coupists ? They were aiming cleanensing the island of anyone who stands in their way to join the island to Greece.. What do you think would happen If Turkish invasion did not happen ?

The aim of the coupists in Cyprus was to do what they did in Greece. To remove a government that they considered "leftist" pro-USSR, and install some puppet. But the coup would not have been successful, because resistance forces were fighting against the coupists, and they had not managed to kill Makarios who was at the UN condemning the coup from the 19th of July.

[Piratis]

I mean the Assyrians Piratis...They were not a minority. Were They ?

What about Assyrians?

[Ierini-Baris]

But you can not call a community who was on the island for 400 years as non- cypriots ( Turks). I know you are quite into human rights . I guess we have the right to decide which nation or community we beileve we are ..I am proudly a Turkish speaking Cypriot..Why is that so hard to accept that...

I have no problem to accept it.

I was talking about Murataga and people like him, not about the whole community. Some people like Murataga claim that they belong to a separate nation from us, if they belong to a separate nation, then obviously they are foreigners.

What was the aim of coupists ? They were aiming cleanensing the island of anyone who stands in their way to join the island to Greece.. What do you think would happen If Turkish invasion did not happen ?

The aim of the coupists in Cyprus was to do what they did in Greece. To remove a government that they considered "leftist" pro-USSR, and install some puppet. But the coup would not have been successful, because resistance forces were fighting against the coupists, and they had not managed to kill Makarios who was at the UN condemning the coup from the 19th of July.

As a genetic student I do not see people in Cyprus that different. They are closer to each other genetically than they are to Either Turkey or Greece..You can search this...

Even If the coupists were not successfull which was not clear( the conflict was not to an end) They gave a chance to Turkey by causing chaos. Turkey had the right as a guurantor and was expecting some chance and some support from USA or UK. They did find the chance and we are in this case where still ceasefire is found. I hope we can reach an agreement soon.

[Ierini-Baris]

Werent they the first settlers on the island . As far as I know and history suggests they were...

[Piratis]

Werent they the first settlers on the island . As far as I know and history suggests they were...

Which history suggests this? Which are your sources?