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[Bananiot]

When you say Cypriot, do you by any chance mean Greek Cypriot?

[Piratis]

And one more thing observer. Back in the 50s when Nazim Hikmet made the statement it was crystal clear that self-determination for Cyprus meant union with Greece. Nobody even had imagined about independence back then, Makarios was the very first to propose this, some years later (but of course he meant a real independence, not what we were blackmailed to accept)

If GCs had trully been fighting for independence then TCs may well have joined them, but no TC wanted to be part of Greece.

And no GC wanted to be part of the Ottoman empire. I don't think you asked any Cypriot what he wanted, did you? Similarly the vast majority of Cypriots didn't want to be part of the British empire, but that didn't seem to bother you either. So I am asking you again: How could it be fine if Cyprus is under foreign empires against the will of the Cypriot people, but not fine if Cyprus was part of a Republic that Cypriots choose to unite with?

And I repeat. Makarios was the first to propose independence. TCs didn't give a damn about independence. They never even thought of it! What they cared for was to collaborate with foreigners and have gains on the expense of the majority of the Cypriot people.

[Piratis]

When you say Cypriot, do you by any chance mean Greek Cypriot?

In what context? When I refer to Cypriots for today, I refer to the vast majority of Cypriots except the Turkish Cypriots.

When I am talking about earlier years, e.g. the Ottoman rule, with Cypriots I refer to the native Cypriot people, not to the Muslim settlers that were brought to our island by the Ottomans.

"Turkish Cypriots" are a very recent creation, less than 100 years old.

[observer]

Freedom from imperialism = self-determination = we democratically choose what to do with our island instead of having foreigners imposing on us their will.

The UN resolution about decolonization clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the three "legitimate options of full self-government"

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

So yes, if we democratically decide we can join with whomever we want, be it Greece, EU or China (as long as the other party of the union accepts as well)

That is exactly what freedom and self-determination means. And the Cypriot people have been denied their freedom and self-determination by the foreign imperialists.

And now we are told that GCs don't want to join with Greece, so perhaps you should be grateful to the TCs who prevented such a terrible mistake instead of commemorating the EOKA psycopaths who tried to force you into an unwanted union.

[Murataga]

TCs are an 18% minority. The 1960 "agreements" were a result of blackmail and force.

The hard facts are that: (1) 1960 Agreements were recognized international agreements that established the very state which you claim to be a part of today; (2) these Agreements bared the signature of your elected leader; (3) they bared the signature of Greece. Do you deny any of these facts?

No.

Good for you.

Do you deny the facts that:
1) Our elected leader was forced and blackmailed in order to sign those "agreements"

Really? Help me out here with some unbiased concrete information as I try to come up with an answer: (1) In what way was he forced and what was he blackmailed with?; (2) According to the findings/verdict of which neutral official investigation and/or court/U.N. decision?; (3) Has he ever officially and precisely confessed that he was "forced and blackmailed in order to sign those "agreements""?

The Cypriots were blackmailed with the "McMillan Plan" that instead of giving self-determination to the Cypriot people, it would instead make Cyprus some common protectorate between UK,Turkey and Greece.
http://cyprus-conflict.org/materials/macmillanplan.html

The Turks had already attacked the Cypriots since 1958, and people were killed. The Cypriot people had no participation in the writing of those agreements. They were written by foreigners (British) and then it was demanded from Makarios to sign them without giving to him any better alternative.

You have given a link to the McMillan Plan and simply repeated saying that your leader was "forced and blackmailed". Neither constitute credible evidence to your claim. So I ask again for unbiased concrete information: (1) In what way was he forced and what was he blackmailed with?; (2) According to the findings/verdict of which neutral official investigation and/or court/U.N. decision?; (3) Has he ever officially and precisely confessed that he was "forced and blackmailed in order to sign those "agreements""?

If we liked those agreements then we wouldn't be making proposalf for reforms just 3 years later, would we?

Proposing changes to certain portions of the constitution does not constitute evidence that your "elected leader was forced and blackmailed in order to sign" the Agreements. We had things we wanted to change and perhaps we might have proposed them as well with time. That does not mean our "elected leader was forced and blackmailed in order to sign" the Agreements.

2) That you are the ones who violated and continue to violate those agreements? (the only thing we did was propose reforms that would bring democracy. Nothing wrong with proposing democratic reforms)

We had absolutely no problem abiding with the Agreements. Furthermore, I see no problem with you proposing what you considered to be right. The problem was your subsequent actions which amount to a breach of the constitution: preventing by force the attendance of the TCs to the government, nullifying their positions, and inviting the Greek troops by the thousands to the island (not to even mention the sheer violence that came with the package). These are well-documented in the U.N. records.

There is no UN resolution condemning Cyprus for any wrong doing. All we made were proposals, and then responded to your attacks.

Below is a glimpse of how you responded to the rejection of your proposals. How do you feel about the non-existence of a U.N. resolution regarding this?

From UN Doc. S/6569, Paras. 7-11

7. The Turkish Cypriot members requested UNIFCYP to extend its good offices to enable them to receive information about time of meeting of the House, and to make arrangements for the Turkish Cypriot members to attend such meetings in safety. They specified that, if officially invited and notified about matters to be concerned, as required by the constitution, they would be prepared to attendParliament on all questions, not only the two bills now pending.

8. The special Representative conveyed this position to Mr. Clerides, the President of the House of Representatives, who stated that the Turkish Cypriot members could attend provided agreement were reached beforehand on the following points:

(a) the Turkish Cypriot members would resume permanently rather than only for the purpose of the present debate;

(b) The Turkish Cypriot members would accept that the laws enacted by the House of Representatives would be applied to the whole of Cyprus, including the Turkish areas, by the Government using the normal authorized administrative organs;

(c) While the Greek Cypriot members would regard attendance at the House by the Turkish Cypriot members as implying recognition by them of the present Cyprus Government, the Turkish Cypriot members would not be called upon to make a statement to that effect, and the Greek Cypriots would likewise refrain from making any such statements on the record of the House;

(d) It must be understood that the provision in Article article 78 of the constitution concerning separate majorities had been abolished and every member of the House would have one vote for all decisions.

9. Mr. Clerides informed UNIFCYP that he was prepared to discuss the situation during the afternoon of 22 July with a group of Turkish Cypriot members of the House. He subsequently indicated, however, that he would not receive this delegation if they came escorted by UIFCYP soldiers, though he would not object to their being brought to his office in an UNIFCYP automobile driven by an UNIFCYP employee. Finally, Mr. Clerides stated that unless the Turkish Cypriot members accepted the conditions laid down by him, he found it pointless to supply them copies of the pending bills.

10. The Special Representative transmitted the position of the President of the House to Vice-President Kuchuk and to certain Turkish Cypriot members of the House. The Turkish Cypriots considered that the conditions laid down by Mr. Clerides would eliminate the constitutional rights of the Turkish Cypriot members and of their community. They emphasized in particular that, under the constitution, only the President and Vice-President jointly challenge the constitutionality of a law (article 140). In the case of legislation designed contrary to the interests of his community, the Vice-President was entitled to institute action (article 141). However, since the government had stated that it no longer recognized Dr. Kuchuk in his capacity as Vice-President, this latter provision of the constitution was inapplicable in practice.

11. During the afternoon, the Turkish Cypriot members visited the President of the House, who reiterated the substance of the points set forth in paragraph 8 above. He made it plain that, unless agreement was reached on these matters, he would not permit the Turkish Cypriot members to attend the House. Mr. Clerides also stated that the constitutional provisions concerning promulgation of the laws by the President and the Vice-President were no longer applicable. He subsequently stated that in his opinion the Turkish Cypriot members had no legal standing any more in the House.

It is the TCs who attacked and the TCs who have been stockpiling weapons looking for an excuse to cause chaos. In fact they have been bringing weapons to Cyprus just months after those agreements were signed, and from 18th of October 1959 the Turkish ship Deniz was caught transferring weapons to the TC terrorists.

Please show me your evidence on TCs attacking you for making your 13 point proposal?

This is why we didn't have peace.

No, not really. Why we did not have peace is simply because you failed to honor your signature in those agreements.

You are the ones who failed. We proposed democratic reforms for the constitution of our country, as we had every right to do.

And again the problem was not proposing your opinions. It was committing crime for getting rejected on them.

And again, you are the ones who committed the crimes. The Turks have started all wars and conflicts in Cyprus. Right from the very first one in 1571, until the last one in 1974. Cypriots only responded to the Turkish attacks against us.

Explain to me how we have committed a crime by abiding to an internationally recognized agreement with you?

Because you collaborated with foreigners in order to deny to the Cypriot people their right for freedom and self-determination and have unfair gains on our expense.

You, as one of the two communities of this island, do not have a right to hand this island over to Greece. You never did and you never will. We, the TCs, on the other hand have every right to resist your effort to hand this island to Greece. And that is exactly what we did. We are extremely proud of the cold knife we stabbed into the heart of your ENOSIS conquest. Thanks to our efforts, you can not even talk of it today.

Conquest is what the Turks did when they invaded Cyprus and enslaved and oppressed the Cypriot people for 3 centuries. The Cypriot people fought for their self-determination and freedom and the Cypriot people have the every right to democratically unite with whomever we like.
Yes, the Turks attacked us again and denied to the Cypriot people their freedom, but the struggle of the Cypriot people against the foreign invaders is not over. We will continue to fight for our self-determination for as long as it takes, and meanwhile you will continue to suffer the consequences of your crimes against us. Soon Turkey will suffer her first major consequence as well, when her EU accession process will end.

You are not the "Cypriot people". In fact there is no definition or use in the constitution of such a thing. You are ONE of the TWO communities of Cyprus. And you have no right to enforce decisions on the TC community. You, especially have no right to hand our property and citizenship over to Greece. Your attempt to do so gives us every right to defend ourselves.

We are the Cypriot people and we have been so for long before you came to our island. You are not going to tell us who we are.

Yes, I will: You are not the "Cypriot people". In fact there is no definition or use in the constitution of such a thing.

If you want to talk myth, you do that on your own time. If you want to talk about the constitution of the RoC, the way the U.N. sees who you are, and the way your leaders see what you are: You are ONE of the TWO communities of Cyprus - memorize it.

You are the ones who invaded our island in order to enslave Cypriots and force your will on us. What we fight for is nothing more than our freedom from the foreign invaders of your kind.

I am a TC, not a foreign invader. You on the other hand repeatedly claim that you are Greek and that Cyprus is part of the Greek nation.

As you have since learned: We do not capitulate, and we will never do so.

What we have since learned is that you can not be trusted with your word and/or signature, hence other measures are and will be (in any foreseeable future) necessary to uphold and enforce any agreement we might make with you.

There will be no agreement that will grand to your small minority any Ottoman style privileges on our expense. So don't hope for that. Just rot in the pseudo state until the time we will liberate our homeland from the foreign invaders.

There are no foreign invaders here. There are the TCs and whatever help we were able to gather to protect ourselves from your aggression.

What you have there is 40.000 Turkish Troops, about 100.000 new Turkish Settlers brought to Cyprus the last decades, and a minority of Settlers from the previous Turkish colonization of our island (and only a tiny minority of real Cypriots).

How do you know what we have here?

What is missing from the north part of Cyprus is the 100s of thousands of native Cypriots, who are the majority of that territory, and whom you ethnically cleansed in your attempt to Turkify our lands. You are the aggressors who are trying to steal our lands.

We were very happy living in peace with the Agreements and where our homes used to be. You attacked us, you murdered us, you displaced us, you prevented us from attending the government, you enclaved us and you embargoed us. All of this before 1974.

You are the ones who invaded Cyprus, we are not ones who invaded Turkey.

Well if you want to look at it from that point of view: you are mainland Greeks who invaded Cyprus. Chillingly, you still claim the island is part of the Greek nation in this day and age.

[halil]

what a ....... blackmailed Magarioz

After the agreement of both communities ..... there was a election and GC's were such a blind and they were elected blackmailed Makarios . There was a another GC's candidate which he was against the consitution ..... blind people elected Blackmailed Makarios .... what a

and what a cheap argument .........

[Ierini-Baris]

Dear Piratis:

Do you know your beloved Greece ( Cunta) had an agreement with Turkey (Cunta) to divide the island and one part of it to join Turkey ( the invaders) according to you... You state :And again, you are the ones who committed the crimes. The Turks have started all wars and conflicts in Cyprus. Right from the very first one in 1571, until the last one in 1974. Cypriots only responded to the Turkish attacks against us.

What about 15th July 1974. What TCs had to do with it or any other attacks made on left wing people of GCs....

To my point of view national socialists (Fascist movements promote violent conflict between nations,) communities in our case...

I do not support the Turkish armys misuse of guarantor rights and they obviously done some crime against human rights ...As did Greece encouraging Facists to kill anyone who prevents them joining the island to Greece...

See in which part of this case TCs were the initialazer of events...

I have no hope that you will accept that you can not blame other nations communities for everything...

[Ierini-Baris]

Another question that I have to Piratis ? Could you tell me If he was happy with Venetians or Lusignans ruling Cyprus ?
I really can not understand How Cyprus is related to Greece ..Which part in history Did Greek Empire ruled Cyprus making Greek speaking Cpriot friends Greek Cypriots ? I appologize for anything I do not know in History that is why I am asking and beileve Piratis will come up with some good data//

Thank you Piratis

[Piratis]

TCs are an 18% minority. The 1960 "agreements" were a result of blackmail and force.

The hard facts are that: (1) 1960 Agreements were recognized international agreements that established the very state which you claim to be a part of today; (2) these Agreements bared the signature of your elected leader; (3) they bared the signature of Greece. Do you deny any of these facts?

No.

Good for you.

Do you deny the facts that:
1) Our elected leader was forced and blackmailed in order to sign those "agreements"

Really? Help me out here with some unbiased concrete information as I try to come up with an answer: (1) In what way was he forced and what was he blackmailed with?; (2) According to the findings/verdict of which neutral official investigation and/or court/U.N. decision?; (3) Has he ever officially and precisely confessed that he was "forced and blackmailed in order to sign those "agreements""?

The Cypriots were blackmailed with the "McMillan Plan" that instead of giving self-determination to the Cypriot people, it would instead make Cyprus some common protectorate between UK,Turkey and Greece.
http://cyprus-conflict.org/materials/macmillanplan.html

The Turks had already attacked the Cypriots since 1958, and people were killed. The Cypriot people had no participation in the writing of those agreements. They were written by foreigners (British) and then it was demanded from Makarios to sign them without giving to him any better alternative.

You have given a link to the McMillan Plan and simply repeated saying that your leader was "forced and blackmailed". Neither constitute credible evidence to your claim. So I ask again for unbiased concrete information: (1) In what way was he forced and what was he blackmailed with?; (2) According to the findings/verdict of which neutral official investigation and/or court/U.N. decision?; (3) Has he ever officially and precisely confessed that he was "forced and blackmailed in order to sign those "agreements""?

If we liked those agreements then we wouldn't be making proposalf for reforms just 3 years later, would we?

Proposing changes to certain portions of the constitution does not constitute evidence that your "elected leader was forced and blackmailed in order to sign" the Agreements. We had things we wanted to change and perhaps we might have proposed them as well with time. That does not mean our "elected leader was forced and blackmailed in order to sign" the Agreements.

As always you are trying to deny what everybody knows.

Here is a video made by your friends the British, who were accomplice in your crime against Cyprus. I hope that video is good enough for you.



The Cypriot people and their leadership had no involvement in the creation of those agreements. Our self-determination was denied and we were blackmailed to accept agreements made by the British.

Self-determination means that we would write the constitution of our own country. Not only they didn't allow us this, they didn't even allow us to make a few amendments!!

2) That you are the ones who violated and continue to violate those agreements? (the only thing we did was propose reforms that would bring democracy. Nothing wrong with proposing democratic reforms)

We had absolutely no problem abiding with the Agreements. Furthermore, I see no problem with you proposing what you considered to be right. The problem was your subsequent actions which amount to a breach of the constitution: preventing by force the attendance of the TCs to the government, nullifying their positions, and inviting the Greek troops by the thousands to the island (not to even mention the sheer violence that came with the package). These are well-documented in the U.N. records.

There is no UN resolution condemning Cyprus for any wrong doing. All we made were proposals, and then responded to your attacks.

Below is a glimpse of how you responded to the rejection of your proposals. How do you feel about the non-existence of a U.N. resolution regarding this?

From UN Doc. S/6569, Paras. 7-11

7. The Turkish Cypriot members requested UNIFCYP to extend its good offices to enable them to receive information about time of meeting of the House, and to make arrangements for the Turkish Cypriot members to attend such meetings in safety. They specified that, if officially invited and notified about matters to be concerned, as required by the constitution, they would be prepared to attendParliament on all questions, not only the two bills now pending.

8. The special Representative conveyed this position to Mr. Clerides, the President of the House of Representatives, who stated that the Turkish Cypriot members could attend provided agreement were reached beforehand on the following points:

(a) the Turkish Cypriot members would resume permanently rather than only for the purpose of the present debate;

(b) The Turkish Cypriot members would accept that the laws enacted by the House of Representatives would be applied to the whole of Cyprus, including the Turkish areas, by the Government using the normal authorized administrative organs;

(c) While the Greek Cypriot members would regard attendance at the House by the Turkish Cypriot members as implying recognition by them of the present Cyprus Government, the Turkish Cypriot members would not be called upon to make a statement to that effect, and the Greek Cypriots would likewise refrain from making any such statements on the record of the House;

(d) It must be understood that the provision in Article article 78 of the constitution concerning separate majorities had been abolished and every member of the House would have one vote for all decisions.

9. Mr. Clerides informed UNIFCYP that he was prepared to discuss the situation during the afternoon of 22 July with a group of Turkish Cypriot members of the House. He subsequently indicated, however, that he would not receive this delegation if they came escorted by UIFCYP soldiers, though he would not object to their being brought to his office in an UNIFCYP automobile driven by an UNIFCYP employee. Finally, Mr. Clerides stated that unless the Turkish Cypriot members accepted the conditions laid down by him, he found it pointless to supply them copies of the pending bills.

10. The Special Representative transmitted the position of the President of the House to Vice-President Kuchuk and to certain Turkish Cypriot members of the House. The Turkish Cypriots considered that the conditions laid down by Mr. Clerides would eliminate the constitutional rights of the Turkish Cypriot members and of their community. They emphasized in particular that, under the constitution, only the President and Vice-President jointly challenge the constitutionality of a law (article 140). In the case of legislation designed contrary to the interests of his community, the Vice-President was entitled to institute action (article 141). However, since the government had stated that it no longer recognized Dr. Kuchuk in his capacity as Vice-President, this latter provision of the constitution was inapplicable in practice.

11. During the afternoon, the Turkish Cypriot members visited the President of the House, who reiterated the substance of the points set forth in paragraph 8 above. He made it plain that, unless agreement was reached on these matters, he would not permit the Turkish Cypriot members to attend the House. Mr. Clerides also stated that the constitutional provisions concerning promulgation of the laws by the President and the Vice-President were no longer applicable. He subsequently stated that in his opinion the Turkish Cypriot members had no legal standing any more in the House.

You asked why there was no UN resolution. The answer is that they wouldn't make a UN resolution out of some selectively chosen parts of some report that suit you. This is another part from another report, why didn't you include this:

”106.The Turkish Cypriot leaders have adhered to
rigid stand against any measures which might involve having
members of the two communities live and work together, or which
might place Turkish Cypriots in situations where they would have
to acknowledge the authority of Government agents. Indeed, since
the Turkish Cypriot leadership is committed to physical and
geographical separation of the communities as a political goal,
it is not likely to encourage activities by Turkish Cypriots
which may be interpreted as demonstrating the merits of an
alternative policy. The result has been a seemingly deliberate
policy of self-segregation by the Turkish Cypriots.”

UN document S/6426

It is the TCs who attacked and the TCs who have been stockpiling weapons looking for an excuse to cause chaos. In fact they have been bringing weapons to Cyprus just months after those agreements were signed, and from 18th of October 1959 the Turkish ship Deniz was caught transferring weapons to the TC terrorists.

Please show me your evidence on TCs attacking you for making your 13 point proposal?

I can. But how about you first provide independent evidence for your claims such as: "preventing by force the attendance of the TCs to the government, nullifying their positions, and inviting the Greek troops by the thousands to the island"

This is why we didn't have peace.

No, not really. Why we did not have peace is simply because you failed to honor your signature in those agreements.

You are the ones who failed. We proposed democratic reforms for the constitution of our country, as we had every right to do.

And again the problem was not proposing your opinions. It was committing crime for getting rejected on them.

And again, you are the ones who committed the crimes. The Turks have started all wars and conflicts in Cyprus. Right from the very first one in 1571, until the last one in 1974. Cypriots only responded to the Turkish attacks against us.

Explain to me how we have committed a crime by abiding to an internationally recognized agreement with you?

You didn't abide to any agreement. Explain to me why months after the agreement, on 18th of October 1959, the Turkish ship Deniz was caught transferring weapons to the TC terrorists.

Because you collaborated with foreigners in order to deny to the Cypriot people their right for freedom and self-determination and have unfair gains on our expense.

You, as one of the two communities of this island, do not have a right to hand this island over to Greece. You never did and you never will. We, the TCs, on the other hand have every right to resist your effort to hand this island to Greece. And that is exactly what we did. We are extremely proud of the cold knife we stabbed into the heart of your ENOSIS conquest. Thanks to our efforts, you can not even talk of it today.

Conquest is what the Turks did when they invaded Cyprus and enslaved and oppressed the Cypriot people for 3 centuries. The Cypriot people fought for their self-determination and freedom and the Cypriot people have the every right to democratically unite with whomever we like.
Yes, the Turks attacked us again and denied to the Cypriot people their freedom, but the struggle of the Cypriot people against the foreign invaders is not over. We will continue to fight for our self-determination for as long as it takes, and meanwhile you will continue to suffer the consequences of your crimes against us. Soon Turkey will suffer her first major consequence as well, when her EU accession process will end.

You are not the "Cypriot people". In fact there is no definition or use in the constitution of such a thing. You are ONE of the TWO communities of Cyprus. And you have no right to enforce decisions on the TC community. You, especially have no right to hand our property and citizenship over to Greece. Your attempt to do so gives us every right to defend ourselves.

We are the Cypriot people and we have been so for long before you came to our island. You are not going to tell us who we are.

Yes, I will: You are not the "Cypriot people". In fact there is no definition or use in the constitution of such a thing.

If you want to talk myth, you do that on your own time. If you want to talk about the constitution of the RoC, the way the U.N. sees who you are, and the way your leaders see what you are: You are ONE of the TWO communities of Cyprus - memorize it.

We have been what we are today for thousands of years mate, but I wouldn't expect an uneducated foreigner like you to know the history of our island. So you are excused.

You are the ones who invaded our island in order to enslave Cypriots and force your will on us. What we fight for is nothing more than our freedom from the foreign invaders of your kind.

I am a TC, not a foreign invader. You on the other hand repeatedly claim that you are Greek and that Cyprus is part of the Greek nation.

You are a Turkish Settler, and you are not going to tell to us, the native Cypriots, who we are and what our island is. We existed on this island and had a civilization for 1000s of years, when your people were still living in caves somewhere in Monglolia.

As you have since learned: We do not capitulate, and we will never do so.

What we have since learned is that you can not be trusted with your word and/or signature, hence other measures are and will be (in any foreseeable future) necessary to uphold and enforce any agreement we might make with you.

There will be no agreement that will grand to your small minority any Ottoman style privileges on our expense. So don't hope for that. Just rot in the pseudo state until the time we will liberate our homeland from the foreign invaders.

There are no foreign invaders here. There are the TCs and whatever help we were able to gather to protect ourselves from your aggression.

What you have there is 40.000 Turkish Troops, about 100.000 new Turkish Settlers brought to Cyprus the last decades, and a minority of Settlers from the previous Turkish colonization of our island (and only a tiny minority of real Cypriots).

How do you know what we have here?

http://assembly.coe.int/Documents/Worki ... OC9799.htm
And that was in 2003. Even more Settlers are brought there now.

What is missing from the north part of Cyprus is the 100s of thousands of native Cypriots, who are the majority of that territory, and whom you ethnically cleansed in your attempt to Turkify our lands. You are the aggressors who are trying to steal our lands.

We were very happy living in peace with the Agreements and where our homes used to be. You attacked us, you murdered us, you displaced us, you prevented us from attending the government, you enclaved us and you embargoed us. All of this before 1974.

No mate.
You invaded our island, killed 10s of thousands of Cypriots, oppressed us for centuries. Whenever we tried to ask for our freedom and rights you attacked and massacred innocent people.

Here is in 1821:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Here is again in 1958:



We only fought back to defend ourselves and our rights for self-determination on our own island.

You are the ones who invaded Cyprus, we are not ones who invaded Turkey.

Well if you want to look at it from that point of view: you are mainland Greeks who invaded Cyprus. Chillingly, you still claim the island is part of the Greek nation in this day and age.

My friend, when the Greeks first came to Cyprus 3500 years ago the island was mostly uninhabited. The Greeks created new cities on uninhabited land. They invaded nobody in Cyprus. In fact the first Greeks were traders, not warriors.

But what would you know about this? You never created anything much. The only thing that your barbarian hordes know how to do is to invade, rape, oppress and steal the lands and cities of others. So you are excused for not knowing how cities and civilizations are created.

[Ierini-Baris]

Piratis you did not answer any of my questions ..I am waiting..

Full Hellenisation only took place under Ptolemaic rule. Phoenician and native Cypriot traits disappeared, together with the old Cypriot syllabic script.

I also want some answers to this statement...