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[boulio]

sometimes i really wonder if a agreed partition is not better for everyone

[Piratis]

sometimes i really wonder if a agreed partition is not better for everyone

Why would it be better for us?

[Bananiot]

That is correct Bulio, masks are falling. We now know very well who the nationalists are who would rather see Cyprus partitioned and destroyed than share this island with our Turkish Cypriot compatriots. Eirini-baris, we will struggle against the nationalists together. The future belongs to the forces of progress. It cannot be otherwise.

[Ierini-Baris]

sometimes you just set the trap for a mice and all rats come galloping to it. At least I know how your feelings are. Check all my posts and at least in 1/5th of them you see that I respect GCs . I have never asked for partitition once. I have agreed with the idea that Turkey commited crime in 1974.. I have agreed lands should be given back to GCs and the rest of the land would not have any limitation for movement after 10 years ( just for federal goverment to be more mature )..

I have never blamed one community and held it responsible for everything..I tried to keep my temper down.. What else do you want ? For once I told you what you deserved to be told and all of you come running. Without reading anyting I have written and just calling me facist.

You can say whatever you want to say. I wil joinl other Cypriots in struggle to turn you into a minority( Starting from this weekend)!!! Its not early 1900s nationalism time is over !!!!

[Ierini-Baris]

sometimes i really wonder if a agreed partition is not better for everyone

Why would it be better for us?

Because people like you will always cause trouble...Hope you can meet a real facist Turk then you will understand!!!

[Oracle]

sometimes i really wonder if a agreed partition is not better for everyone

Only if you agree that once somebody has stolen your house, you accept to live on the streets, and watch him wave to you from your window .... because trying to get it back would cause him some inconvenience!

Why don't you admit to the real solution, which is that the Turks should go back to where they came from, if they do not like us seeking justice ...

[Ierini-Baris]

Werent they the first settlers on the island . As far as I know and history suggests they were...

Which history suggests this? Which are your sources?

The first written source shows Cyprus under Assyrian rule

I am trying to improve my knowledge because its too complicated for me many empires ,kingdoms, different Greeks fighting for Cyprus..Not trying to make a point that you make the island Greek. I respect the Greek existence in the island for hundreads of years...

You keep confusing foreign rulers with the people of Cyprus. The Assyrians did not settle in Cyprus (not in any significant numbers at least), and they did not create their own settlements on the island.

According to some theories the Assyrians were the first foreign rulers and forced the Cypriot kings of the Cypriot city kingdoms to be subjected to them and maybe pay tributes to them. Thats about it. This happened at around 700BC, many centuries after the Greeks settled on the island.

Thank you for the info Piratis...I will ask you one last question...Where from TCs descend..Were they just send to Cyprus in an unbiased way?

Can you clarify your question please? I am not sure what you mean by "send to Cyprus in an unbiased way".

The TCs descend? It appears that when the Ottomans conquered Cyprus they brought to the island some 10s of thousands of Muslim Settlers from Anatolia. Personally I doubt that all (or even most) of those Muslims were actually Turks. Then according to some sources, some Greek Cypriots and also Latins became Muslims during Ottoman rule in order to be treated better and pay less taxes.

Then at some point around 1900s, some in the newly formed Turkey decided that all Muslims should be called Turks. They did this in Turkey itself, and they applied the same for the Muslim minority in Cyprus. Many of those Muslims didn't even speak Turkish, but had Greek as their native language! And yet they were all grouped together and labeled "Turkish Cypriots", and that is how the TC minority was created.

Later on the Turkish policy was to remove anything non-Turkish from their newly formed "Turkish Cypriot" community, so they prohibited to these people to speak Greek, and forced them to fully Turkify.

Well Piratis I guess you are only interested in mighty Greek history...By unbiased I mean on chance..No Most of the TCs were Turkmens exiled to Cyprus by Ottoman Empire who were partisan of the caliph ali. They were also prohibited to continiue their services by seperating the families. Did you ever think why TCS are not religious or do not go to mosque ?

Becasue caliph ali was killed in mosque. So Turkmen around Anatolia was assimilated by Ottomans in Cyprus but they were always Turks( majority) and we speak Turkish that has similarity to Turkish used in old times by Turkmens..We were an exiled assimilated community that is why we do not want to be minority ;; get assimilated neither by Turkey nor by GCs ...We want to live on this island peacefully because for the first itme we have a chance to have complete freedom...

On this island you are a minority. It is not our fault if Ottomans exiled you or whatever else you claim. If you have a problem with what Ottomans did, you should solve it with Turkey. Imagine if after the Turkish invasion ethnically cleansed us from north part of Cyprus we took the lands of the Armenians and Latins to cover some of our losses.

No part of our island is going to be gifted to anybody. Your minority is welcomed to stay on this island as equal Cypriot citizens. We have other minorities in Cyprus as well, and the Armenians in particular also came to Cyprus to avoid genocide in Turkey. We live peacefully with all other minorities and we can do it with you as well. But if you want to take part of our island to make it Turkish, then that means war, not peace.

How did you get to the point we are trying to make the island Turkish ? I have never said that ? You can not compare as with Armenians or Latines or Maronites ( who are not that happy with ROC by the way ).. A poupulaton around 20 % is not called a minority ..As long as you keep calling TCs minority or others a solution is not possible. Lands and everythingelse is not that important but being referred as minority is something no TC will accept.

I guess you are still too angry and mention war out of no where. I thought your thirst for war was over in 1974 when many innocent people died because of Greek and Turkish nationalists...

Look asshole, you are occupying our land and this means war. You want peace? GIVE US BACK OUR LAND. There is no peace without you giving back our land. Get it? If land is not important to you then why don't you fuck off to where you came from?

With this kind of behaviour you can not get anything. Do you know that.? I hate to tell you but war is over you lost..just get over with.. You will get your land back when a solution is agreed. But its not occupied land that is frusturating you. Its excistence of TCs on the island which was suppose to be all yours. Am i wrong ?

[Oracle]

The thief is holding your purse and has the audacity to say: "You don't really want your purse back, admit it, you just hate thieves!"

[Bananiot]

Eirini-Baris, these people whose behaviour is such a disgrace, think that the word Turk is a dirty word. They are sick people but also very unfortunate, because they have been brainwashed from an early age to this stereotype behaviour. In effect, what I am saying is that they are beyond help. They have past the point of no return. Soon, they will find themselves in the dustbin of history.

[boulio]

Why would it be better for us

Im sorry sometimes i think out loud.However from the replies from certain forumers in here they seem not to want unification and if there is a unfication its seems they want it as watered down as possible to the point that any agreement on unification will collapse at the first hurdle the new "country" faces.

So sometimes i think its better to cut loses and move on.agree to a 70/30,80/20 75/,25 split,try to get the t/c state on fast track to the EU try to minimize turkeys role in the new northern state as much as possible and in the future if it is in the best interest of the two parties unify under one state.