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[Oracle]

Bananiot is free to restore honour to his name if he wishes ....

[insan]

Bananiot is free to restore honour to his name if he wishes ....

Yeah, sure; so why u accuse him with ur nonesense, u senile Turk hater, granny Oracle.

[Oracle]

Bananiot is free to restore honour to his name if he wishes ....

Yeah, sure; so why u accuse him with ur nonesense, u senile Turk hater, granny Oracle.

Is it name calling you are after, toothless grandpa Hellenic annihilator?

[Kifeas]

Kifeas

You are the last person (and in fact very few are able) to give me a lesson on what the Greek Civilization constitutes, and yes, the fact that is regarded as the cornerstone of western civilization is not mine or any other Greek's "invention," but an axiom shared diachronically by the most notable scholars along and across the globe. Direct elsewhere your silly claims about me confusing it with any scatological or otherwise ideologies!

I chose to ignore no paragraphs! In fact, if I remember correctly, the paragraphs on which I commented are the last ones, where Rolandis makes his silly recommendations.

You say that we discussed the issue of president elections elsewhere, and this is correct. However, you chose to distort what I said, by hiding the fact that what I proposed allows the TCs to also have a deciding saying on who the GC (co-)president of the federal government /state will be. Furthermore, you chose to mix-up the president /deputy president duo of the federal state, with the leaders of the two communities, when in fact they might as well be two entirely different people. Have anyone of you imagined the president of the US been elected by a number of states alone, and the vice president been elected by a number of other, different states, on a separate election? It would have been absurd and completely unacceptable by the people of the country as a whole, more so when the vice president (co-president to be more accurate) will deputize the president for a certain period of time. Bananiot chooses to deliberately miss the obvious and valid point I make, simply because Talat, Turkey and the TCs do not accept it, only because they want to impose a rotating co-president on the GCs that will be elected with the deciding vote of the Turkish settlers, and will always be the choice of Ankara, without the GCs having the power to influence who will be their president also. Of course, such a dangerous anomaly will never be accepted by the GCs, for they are not so stupid like Rolandis and "Loucoudin" Charalambous. Even the Annan plan did not allow for such an occurrence, since every member of the presidential council that would have been appointed by the senate and the parliament, would have been required to receive a minimum of 2/5 from each of the two communities, regardless of the fact that such a 6 member rotating presidential council would have been another anomaly by itself, since we would have had a different president every 9 months.

Furthermore, Bananiot and his above two idiot "friends," fail to realize and understand the horizontal dynamics in bringing the ordinary people of the two communities together, that will emerge as a result of them having to participate and run together the campaigns of their chosen duo of candidates, across the two communities and federative states; just like the US presidential election campaign does for the US, across the states and among the people of the country as a whole.

Kifeas, a foul mouth person like youself cannot pretend to be a lover of the ancient Greek civilisation. Also, on numerous occasions you have exhibited a severe inability to comprehend the classics and perhaps this explains your forum behaviour. In short you have nothing in common with Greek civilisation. That was what I wrote previously which you misinterpreted as an objection on my behalf of the Greek civilisation being the cornerstone of the western world.

Your reference to the USA and the "horizontal dynamics" (sic) only illustrates your complete and utter refusal to see the realities that exist in Cyprus today, 46 years after the intercommunal strife started and 35 years after the Turkish invasion. This can only be explained by your total inability to view issues in a political manner. In a nutshell, what you are suggesting is palatable only to the cloud climbers in our side. It cannot be achieved and if we decide to go for the desirable again, god save us.However, if you can come up with some ideas as to how we can go about doing it, I am prepared to listen to you.

I only hope the TCs will not take your nonsense literally, just like they have take those of Denktash and his so called realities on the ground, for there will be no solution in our lifetime, and the ones that will cry more bitterly will be themselves. While it is a fact of life that no occupier has stayed in Cyprus forever, and so will Turkey go one day, they will in the meanwhile see themselves being swallowed by mainland Turks and disappear from the face of earth as an entity. You are doing a bad service to them.

[insan]

Bananiot is free to restore honour to his name if he wishes ....

Yeah, sure; so why u accuse him with ur nonesense, u senile Turk hater, granny Oracle.

Is it name calling you are after, toothless grandpa Hellenic annihilator?

Only after u firing me with a name call i fire u with the same way, u senile granny, Turk hater, Stella Grivas Oracle.

[Oracle]

Bananiot is free to restore honour to his name if he wishes ....

Yeah, sure; so why u accuse him with ur nonesense, u senile Turk hater, granny Oracle.

Is it name calling you are after, toothless grandpa Hellenic annihilator?

Only after u firing me with a name call i fire u with the same way, u senile granny, Turk hater, Stella Grivas Oracle.

I was talking to Bananiot ... you clearly felt left out you Bald Incontinent Insan Denktash Ecevit Attila Hun Barbarian Genocidal Turk!

[insan]

Bananiot is free to restore honour to his name if he wishes ....

Yeah, sure; so why u accuse him with ur nonesense, u senile Turk hater, granny Oracle.

Is it name calling you are after, toothless grandpa Hellenic annihilator?

Only after u firing me with a name call i fire u with the same way, u senile granny, Turk hater, Stella Grivas Oracle.

I was talking to Bananiot ... you clearly felt left out you Bald Incontinent Insan Denktash Ecevit Attila Hun Barbarian Genocidal Turk!

U weren't talking with Bananiot. U were accusing him with treason to ur national cause. U unconscious, senile granny Stella Grivas Oracle. Would u like to watch ur dad?



Listen carefull what he says...



U r the exact copy of ur dad, fascist Grivas.

[Piratis]

If Bananiot thinks he has anything in common with anyone from the Hellenic world, it is with the real Greek traitor Ephialtes who betrayed King Leonidas at Thermopylae ...

Exactly. Ephialtes, like Bananiot, decided that the Persians (Turks) are more and stronger and that therefore it would be more "realistic" to just kiss the ass of the foreign invaders than fight against them.

And now Ephialtes is coming here to give us lessons about the Greek civilization? If all Greeks were like Ephialtes/Bananiot, the Greek civilization would never have existed, let alone survive for 1000s of years.

The Greeks fought many times against the odds, and many of those times they won. Yes, you can not always win, but if you don't even try then you will always loose. This is a fact that Ephialtes/Bananiot can not understand.

The Cyprus problem was not created in 74 or in 63. The Cyprus problem is a problem that we, the native Cypriot people, have for centuries. It is about foreign rulers coming to our island, bringing their troops and their settlers, and imposing on the Cypriot people their will by force. When we were subjects of the British empire against our will, we had a problem. When we were under the Ottoman Turks, being butchered by 1000s, paying double the taxes and being treated like shit, we had a problem, a huge problem.

This is why we revolted many times, seeking our freedom and self-determination. But of course these foreigners would not allow Cyprus to be free. Here is what they did when we tried to revolt in 1821:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

Later on when we revolted again during British rule, the Turks joined the British and again, like 1821, attacked us in order to deny to us our freedom and self-determination:



They then imposed on us the 1960 "agreements" which denied to the Cypriot people their freedom, and benefited only those foreigners who made the "agreements" and not the Cypriot people who were brought in and blackmailed to sign what others created for our island.

What happened in the 60s was a direct result. The Cypriot people are not slaves, and naturally they tried to bring the democracy and the self-determination that had been denied to them by foreigners. And again the Turks attacked us, starting yet another conflict, with the aim to again refuse the self-determination right of the Cypriot people and maintain privileges that were granted to them by foreigners on our expense.

All conflicts between Cypriots and Turks in Cyprus were in fact started by the Turks with the aim to deny the freedom and self-determination to the Cypriot people. In those conflicts Greek Cypriots had far more casualties, and suffered for far longer longer periods. And yet the invading Turks, come here to present themselves as the victims because in the wars and conflicts that they started against us, they also had some casualties!

We will not stop fighting for our freedom and self-determination. Anybody who thinks we will do such thing he is being totally unrealistic and he has no clue about the endurance of our people. We will never capitulate to any foreign invader, no matter how many troops they bring, no matter how many foreign Settlers they bring. This is our island and we will fight for freedom and self-determination until we gain what is right and just.

[Oracle]

Thank you Insan for the lovely youtubes ... You too can be baptised as a Hellene all in due course ...

For now I must away and finish reading about (Hellenic) Cleopatra ....

[YFred]

Insan, that is no way to talk to the lovely one eyed, one legged pirate lady called Blackbeard from the island of Lesbos.

I expect to see your apology immediately.

Otherwise she will set upon you her trusted lieutenants, ĞaRo do Rizokarpazo, Parrotus and that dreaded chemical, biological and nuclear gun toting lunatic the antipodean crocodile dundee called Bafitobillos Dinosaurus Rexus.

Just be aware of the consequences of your actions, please.