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[shahmaran]

Hello DT!

All is well I hope

[DT.]

Hello DT!

All is well I hope

all well mate...missed exchanging blows with you

[shahmaran]

Hello DT!

All is well I hope

all well mate...missed exchanging blows with you

Haha likewise, was travelling a bit and thought whats better than getting back in touch with my fellow Cypriots on my return to this lush and green island.

Love Cyprus in winter!

[polis]

Whatever man, you may fool the rest of the world with your poorly documented bias propaganda material, but every TC and Turk knows what went on here and no GC was out to defend humanity with philosophy and art!

This is part of the "poorly documented bias propaganda material" included in the European Commission of Human Rights judgment (http://www.cyprus-conflict.org/materials/echr/page11.html#hr2-52):

C. Evidence obtained

I. Evidence of killings

319. The Commission has already stated [467] that it had to restrict its investigation of the violations alleged in the present case. As regards evidence of killings the Delegates, during the period fixed for the hearing of witnesses in Cyprus, heard eye-witnesses only concerning the incident in the Elia neighbourhood. Evidence on this killing of twelve male civilians in the presence of the families of some of them on 21 July 1974 was given by Mr. and Mrs. Efthymiou [468] and Mrs. Kyprianou [469].

320. Mrs. Kyprianou stated that in this killing she lost her husband, her father, two brothers-in-law and an uncle. She and a group of co-villagers were made prisoners by Turkish soldiers when they tried to reach the mountains fleeing from bombardment. All arrested men were civilians wearing civilian clothes. The Turkish soldiers told them that they were to wait for the orders of their officer who would decide on their fate. When the officer arrived he seemed to be in an angry mood and ordered the soldiers to lie down, which they did, loading their rifles. Another soldier, whom she described as a "good man", intervened and the Turkish soldiers discussed for half an hour. Then they separated the men from the women and, in front of the women, they started shooting at the men killing twelve of them. Some of the men were holding children while being shot and three of these children were wounded [470].

321. Mrs. Kyprianou's statement was fully corroborated by the evidence given by Mr. and Mrs. Efthymiou, Mr. Efthymiou having been the only man who escaped the shooting of the group of civilians. They stated that the daughter of the Efthymiou couple was wounded when Mr. Efthymiou's father, who was holding the child, was shot [471]. This incident is also described in written statements submitted as evidence [472].

322. Two further cases of group killings are reported in two written statements of persons who affirm to have been eyewitnesses and whose names and addresses can be disclosed by the applicant Government. According to the first statement five men (two shepherds aged 60 and 70 respectively, two masons aged 20 and 60, and one plumber aged 19) were killed by Turks at Trimithi [473]. According to the second statement 30 Greek Cypriot soldiers, who were held as prisoners at Palekythron, were killed by Turkish soldiers [474].

323. In addition witness Stylianou, Chairman of the Pancyprian Committee of Enclaved Persons, spoke of mass killings in Palekythro and indicated names and addresses of persons who, according to him, had been eye-witnesses[475].

Two of these incidents concerned executions of soldiers of the National Guard who had surrended to the advancing Turkish troops. The incidents were reported to the witness by soldiers who escaped the shooting. In each case 30 - 40 soldiers were shot. In the second case the soldiers who had surrendered were transferred to the kilns of the village where they were shot dead and burnt in order not to leave details of what had happened.

Another incident reported by Mr. Stylianou was the killing of seventeen members of two neighbouring families including ten women and five children aged between two and nine years. Mr. Stylianou also submitted a document which he identified as the English translation of a written statement made by a boy of sixteen years who survived this killing [476].

324. The last mentioned incident was also reported by Mrs. Soulioti [477] and further mentioned in handwritten notes which witness Dr. Hadjikakou submitted as part of his evidence [478]. Dr. Hadjikakou recorded cases of ill-treatment, rapes and killings related to him by patients who were either victims or eye-witnesses of the incidents and whose addresses could be obtained from him. As regards the above killing of seventeen civilians at Palekythron, Dr. Hadjikakou noted the name of a person who found the bodies in a yard.

325. Further killings described in Dr. Hadjikakou's notes were, inter alia,

- the execution by Turkish soldiers of eight civilians taken prisoners in the area of Prastio one day after the ceasefire on 16 August 1974 [479];

- the killing of several civilians by Turkish soldiers at Ashia [480];

- the killing by Turkish soldiers of five unarmed Greek Cypriot soldiers who had sought refuge in a house at Voni [481];

- the shooting of four women, one of whom survived pretending that she was dead [482].

326. Further killings were reported by witness Soulioti, President of the Cyprus Red Cross Society, and by Mr. Pirkettis, both of whom indicated names of persons stated to have been eye-witnesses [483].

327. Some of the persons interviewed in the refugee camps also reported killings:

- "Witness" B stated that Turkish troops killed many in her village. "They went into the houses and killed people." [484]

- "Witness" D of Palekythron said that about 18 persons of his village were shot, but he was not present when this happened [485].

- "Witness" E said that Turks shot a shepherd [486].

- "Witness" F stated that Turks took her husband and her son-in-law to a river bank and shot them [487].

328. The Commission finally notes that, apart from the written statements mentioned in para. 8 above, a great number of further written statements were submitted in support of both applications, describing killings of civilians in homes, streets or fields [488], as well as the killing of persons who were under arrest or in detention [489]. Many of these statements were by alleged eye-witnesses [490], and most of the others from persons who described how they found relatives, friends, co-villagers killed. Eight statements described the killing of soldiers not in combat [491]. Five statements referred to a mass grave found in Dherynia [492].

329. All these written statements were taken by witness Hadjiloizou [493] or on his instructions by other police officers.

The Conclusion of the Commission was the following (http://www.cyprus-conflict.org/materials/echr/page17.html#hr2-119):

III. Deprivation of life [720]

The Commission, by fourteen votes against one, considers that the evidence before it constitutes very strong indications of violations of Art. 2 (1) of the Convention by Turkey in a substantial number of cases. The Commission restricted the taking of evidence to a hearing of a limited number of representative witnesses and the Delegation, during the period fixed for the hearing of witnesses, heard eye-witnesses only concerning the incident of Elia. The evidence obtained for this incident establishes the killing of twelve civilians near Elia by Turkish soldiers commanded by an officer contrary to Art. 2 (1).

In view of the very detailed material before it on other killings alleged by the applicant Government the Commission, by fourteen votes against one, concludes from the whole evidence that killings happened on a larger scale than in Elia.

There is nothing to show that any of these deprivations of life were justified under paras. (1) or (2) of Art. 2.

[shahmaran]

Which part of these documents actually document the killing and the dissapearing of the TC's ?

[polis]

Ok, zombi, here some more "poorly documented bias propaganda material" included in the European Commission of Human Rights judgment (http://www.cyprus-conflict.org/materials/echr/page12.html). This part is about rape:

III. Evidence obtained

361. The evidence concerning allegations of rape is voluminous.

Direct evidence was obtained through the testimoney of Drs. Charalambides and Hadjikakou, who testified that they examined victims of such rapes.

362. Dr. Charalambides stated before the Delegation:

"As a doctor they brought me a few cases that they were raped but they did not want people to know about it because they were young girls and when the raped girls asked if they could use my services as a gynaecologist - because I am a gynaecologist too, for the Kyrenia area - the Turkish administration refused. So all these cases were brought through the Red Cross to Nicosia."

He confirmed that in those cases which he examined he was medically satisfied that rape had taken place [520].

363. Witness Dr. Hadjikakou also stated that he had to treat victims of rape and that in about 70 cases his examinations allowed the medical finding that rape had in face taken place.

364. Dr. Hadjikakou, in his handwritten notes submitted as part of his evidence, mentioned the following incidents of rape which had been brought to his attention [521]:

- A mentally-retarded girl aged 24 was raped in her house by 20 soldiers one after the other. When she started screaming they threw her from the second floor window. She sustained fracture dislocation of the spine and became paralysed. Dr. Hadjikakou treated her for spinal injury.

- One day after their arrival at Voni Turks took girls to a nearby house and raped them.

- One girl of Palekythrou who was held with others in a house was taken out at gunpoint and raped.

- At Tanvu Turkish soldiers tried to rape a 17 year old schoolgirl. She resisted and was shot dead.

- A woman of Gypsou mentioned to him that 25 girls were kept by Turks at Marathovouno as prostitutes.

- Another woman saw several girls being raped.

- A women of Voni was raped on three occasions by four persons each time. She became pregnant.

365. he Delegation also heard evidence from eye-witnesses. Mrs. Kyprianou gave evidence that after the killing described above [522] the Turkish soldiers took a young girl and raped her [523]. This statement was corroborated by Mrs. Efthymiou [524].

One of the persons interviewed in refugee camps (Witness E) stated that he had seen the rape of three women by Turkish soldiers at Ayios Georgios. He further reported that at Marathovouno many girls were raped; he and his family had heard their cries [525].

366. A further witness stated that his wife had been raped in front of his children [526].

367. Reference has also been made before the Delegation to several cases of abortion, at the British base, of women who had been victims of rapes by Turkish soldiers [527].

368. Hearsay witnesses of rapes were Mrs. Soulioti, Mr. Hadjiloizou[528] Mr. Odysseos [529], and Mr. Stylianou [530].

Mr. Stylianou spoke of a case of 25 girls who, having been raped, complained to Turkish officers and were then raped by these officers. The witness offered the name of one of the victims in this case and said that the victim was prepared to testify before the Delegation. In addition he mentioned the case of a 50 year old woman who was raped by 10 soldiers in her fields and had to be hospitalised in Kyrenia [531].

Mrs. Soulioti stated that:

- in August 1974, while the telephone system was still working, the Red Cross Society received telephone calls from Palekythrou and Kaponti (west of Kyrenia) reporting rapes [532];

- a man (whose name was stated) reported his wife had been stabbed in the neck whilst resisting rape and his granddaughter aged six had been stabbed and killed by Turkish soldiers attempting the rape [533];

- a girl of 15½ years who had been raped, was delivered to the Red Cross [534];

- the witness had to take care of 38 women released from the Voni and Gypsou camps, all of whom had been raped, some of them in front of their husbands and their children; others had been raped repeatedly, or put in houses frequented by Turkish soldiers. The women were taken to Akrotiri hospital in the sovereign base where they were treated. Three of them were found to be pregnant [535].

369. The Delegation also saw a filmed interview of five girls who stated that they were victims of rape.

370. Finally, written statements of 41 alleged victims of rape [536], of four alleged eye-witnesses of rape [537], and of 24 hearsay witnesses of rape [538] have been submitted. These statements were taken by witness Hadjiloizou [539] , or other police officers under his instructions, and the names and addresses of the authors of the statements can be obtained from the applicant Government. These statements include reports of repeated rapes by one or several Turkish soldiers [540], rapes in front of close relatives [541], rapes committed by Turkish army officers [542] enforced prostitution [543], and the rape of a five months pregnant woman [544],

Here's the finding of the commission (http://www.cyprus-conflict.org/materials/echr/page17.html#hr2-120)

IV. Ill-treatment

1. The Commission, by twelve votes against one, finds that the incidents of rape described in the cases referred to and regarded as established constitute "inhuman treatment" and thus violations of Art. 3, for which Turkey is responsible under the Convention [721].

2. The Commission, by twelve votes against one, concludes that prisoners were in a number of cases physically ill-treated by Turkish soldiers. These acts of ill-treatment caused considerable injuries and at least in one case the death of the victim. By their severity they constitute "inhuman treatment" and thus violations of Art. 3, for which Turkey is responsible under the Convention [722].

3. The Commission, by twelve votes against one, concludes that the withholding of an adequate supply of food and drinking water and of adequate medical treatment from Greek Cypriot Prisoners held at Adana and detainees in the northern area of Cyprus, with the exception of Pavlides Garage and Saray prison, again constitutes, in the cases considered as established and in the conditions described, "inhuman treatment" and thus a violation of Art. 3, for which Turkey is responsible under the Convention [723].

4. The Commission, by twelve votes against one, concludes that the written statements submitted by the applicant Government constitute indications of ill-treatment by Turkish soldiers of persons not in detention [724].

[Viewpoint]

Ok, zombi, here some more "poorly documented bias propaganda material" included in the European Commission of Human Rights judgment (http://www.cyprus-conflict.org/materials/echr/page12.html). This part is about rape:

III. Evidence obtained

361. The evidence concerning allegations of rape is voluminous.

Direct evidence was obtained through the testimoney of Drs. Charalambides and Hadjikakou, who testified that they examined victims of such rapes.

362. Dr. Charalambides stated before the Delegation:

"As a doctor they brought me a few cases that they were raped but they did not want people to know about it because they were young girls and when the raped girls asked if they could use my services as a gynaecologist - because I am a gynaecologist too, for the Kyrenia area - the Turkish administration refused. So all these cases were brought through the Red Cross to Nicosia."

He confirmed that in those cases which he examined he was medically satisfied that rape had taken place [520].

363. Witness Dr. Hadjikakou also stated that he had to treat victims of rape and that in about 70 cases his examinations allowed the medical finding that rape had in face taken place.

364. Dr. Hadjikakou, in his handwritten notes submitted as part of his evidence, mentioned the following incidents of rape which had been brought to his attention [521]:

- A mentally-retarded girl aged 24 was raped in her house by 20 soldiers one after the other. When she started screaming they threw her from the second floor window. She sustained fracture dislocation of the spine and became paralysed. Dr. Hadjikakou treated her for spinal injury.

- One day after their arrival at Voni Turks took girls to a nearby house and raped them.

- One girl of Palekythrou who was held with others in a house was taken out at gunpoint and raped.

- At Tanvu Turkish soldiers tried to rape a 17 year old schoolgirl. She resisted and was shot dead.

- A woman of Gypsou mentioned to him that 25 girls were kept by Turks at Marathovouno as prostitutes.

- Another woman saw several girls being raped.

- A women of Voni was raped on three occasions by four persons each time. She became pregnant.

365. he Delegation also heard evidence from eye-witnesses. Mrs. Kyprianou gave evidence that after the killing described above [522] the Turkish soldiers took a young girl and raped her [523]. This statement was corroborated by Mrs. Efthymiou [524].

One of the persons interviewed in refugee camps (Witness E) stated that he had seen the rape of three women by Turkish soldiers at Ayios Georgios. He further reported that at Marathovouno many girls were raped; he and his family had heard their cries [525].

366. A further witness stated that his wife had been raped in front of his children [526].

367. Reference has also been made before the Delegation to several cases of abortion, at the British base, of women who had been victims of rapes by Turkish soldiers [527].

368. Hearsay witnesses of rapes were Mrs. Soulioti, Mr. Hadjiloizou[528] Mr. Odysseos [529], and Mr. Stylianou [530].

Mr. Stylianou spoke of a case of 25 girls who, having been raped, complained to Turkish officers and were then raped by these officers. The witness offered the name of one of the victims in this case and said that the victim was prepared to testify before the Delegation. In addition he mentioned the case of a 50 year old woman who was raped by 10 soldiers in her fields and had to be hospitalised in Kyrenia [531].

Mrs. Soulioti stated that:

- in August 1974, while the telephone system was still working, the Red Cross Society received telephone calls from Palekythrou and Kaponti (west of Kyrenia) reporting rapes [532];

- a man (whose name was stated) reported his wife had been stabbed in the neck whilst resisting rape and his granddaughter aged six had been stabbed and killed by Turkish soldiers attempting the rape [533];

- a girl of 15½ years who had been raped, was delivered to the Red Cross [534];

- the witness had to take care of 38 women released from the Voni and Gypsou camps, all of whom had been raped, some of them in front of their husbands and their children; others had been raped repeatedly, or put in houses frequented by Turkish soldiers. The women were taken to Akrotiri hospital in the sovereign base where they were treated. Three of them were found to be pregnant [535].

369. The Delegation also saw a filmed interview of five girls who stated that they were victims of rape.

370. Finally, written statements of 41 alleged victims of rape [536], of four alleged eye-witnesses of rape [537], and of 24 hearsay witnesses of rape [538] have been submitted. These statements were taken by witness Hadjiloizou [539] , or other police officers under his instructions, and the names and addresses of the authors of the statements can be obtained from the applicant Government. These statements include reports of repeated rapes by one or several Turkish soldiers [540], rapes in front of close relatives [541], rapes committed by Turkish army officers [542] enforced prostitution [543], and the rape of a five months pregnant woman [544],

Here's the finding of the commission (http://www.cyprus-conflict.org/materials/echr/page17.html#hr2-120)

IV. Ill-treatment

1. The Commission, by twelve votes against one, finds that the incidents of rape described in the cases referred to and regarded as established constitute "inhuman treatment" and thus violations of Art. 3, for which Turkey is responsible under the Convention [721].

2. The Commission, by twelve votes against one, concludes that prisoners were in a number of cases physically ill-treated by Turkish soldiers. These acts of ill-treatment caused considerable injuries and at least in one case the death of the victim. By their severity they constitute "inhuman treatment" and thus violations of Art. 3, for which Turkey is responsible under the Convention [722].

3. The Commission, by twelve votes against one, concludes that the withholding of an adequate supply of food and drinking water and of adequate medical treatment from Greek Cypriot Prisoners held at Adana and detainees in the northern area of Cyprus, with the exception of Pavlides Garage and Saray prison, again constitutes, in the cases considered as established and in the conditions described, "inhuman treatment" and thus a violation of Art. 3, for which Turkey is responsible under the Convention [723].

4. The Commission, by twelve votes against one, concludes that the written statements submitted by the applicant Government constitute indications of ill-treatment by Turkish soldiers of persons not in detention [724].

God these sodiers were must have been real randy or all taking viagra.

[Get Real!]

God these sodiers were must have been real randy or all taking viagra.

Do you want your stupid comment included in that report?

[utu]

God these sodiers were must have been real randy or all taking viagra.

Do you want your stupid comment included in that report?

Gotta agree with you here, GR. That remark was rather off-color... even by the standards of this forum.

[shahmaran]

God these sodiers were must have been real randy or all taking viagra.

Do you want your stupid comment included in that report?

I don't think that document has space for anymore stupid comments

But thanks for posting more poorly documented propaganda material polis, I don't see how that answers my question.