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[bill cobbett]

Earlier today, the Dutch politician Geert Wilders was turned away from GB on the grounds that his presence threatened public order. His intention was to promote his film "Fitna" in which he puts across his condemnation of Islam and what he calls the growing Islamisation of Europe.

You can see the first part of the film here......(be warned contains strong images).....



( Better watch it quick if you have the inclination - youtube are starting to withdraw it. )

[Get Real!]

A load of one sided bollocks! This Dutch clown should be pulled by the hair all the way to Baghdad and his stupid face shoved and rubbed into the remains of corpses lying on the streets, and then we’ll see what kind of films he starts making…

[Get Real!]

And btw, to answer your question... "A Sad Day For Freedom Of Speech?"

On the contrary, the Dutch clown is an insult to...

Iraq's Shocking Human Toll:

About 1 Million Killed, 4.5 Million Displaced, 1-2 Million Widows, 5 Million Orphans

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/12381 ... n_orphans/

[haplessboyrussell]

Couldn't agree more, GR... I'm not sure that freedom of speech includes the right to deliberately twist words and link it with the worst actions of extremists in order to incite hatred against normal everyday Muslim people, who I'm quite certain would disassociate themselves from the actions of the extremists just as much as anyone else.

For once, Gordon Brown got it right.

[Oracle]

I don't know anything about this Dutch guy, but the UK has taken a nasty "Politically Correct" turn of positive discrimination with over-sensitivity to the Islamists, that is verging on catastrophic for the national identity.

GB is faltering on throwing off the yoke of Christianity, which will happen in time ... but unfortunately, it looks like the void will be filled by something worse ....

I see a similar end to the UK, as that which Cyprus is experiencing at the moment. A partition to appease the minority, which refuses to assimilate and then demands special recognition which foolishly the Brits, in their post-colonial embarrassment, are moving towards conceding.

All religions which speak of observing the word of an 'unseen mythological creation of the mind' against humanity, are wrong.

[Bananiot]

Partition to appease the minority? I always knew your world is simple. Back to your premordial soup woman.

[haplessboyrussell]

I don't think it's about appeasing the minority - I think it's about the dangerous anti-Muslim sentiment that's occurring in the UK. From the opening 7 minutes above, the film appears to have no purpose other than to incite further fear and hatred towards ordinary Muslim people. Isolating the large Muslim population in the UK is only going to create more extremism. The film can do no good. Granted, banning the entry of the guy from entering the country has only given him the publicity he wanted.

And re: free speech - they didn't ban the film - only the guy.

[miltiades]

I don't know anything about this Dutch guy, but the UK has taken a nasty "Politically Correct" turn of positive discrimination with over-sensitivity to the Islamists, that is verging on catastrophic for the national identity.

GB is faltering on throwing off the yoke of Christianity, which will happen in time ... but unfortunately, it looks like the void will be filled by something worse ....

I see a similar end to the UK, as that which Cyprus is experiencing at the moment. A partition to appease the minority, which refuses to assimilate and then demands special recognition which foolishly the Brits, in their post-colonial embarrassment, are moving towards conceding.

All religions which speak of observing the word of an 'unseen mythological creation of the mind' against humanity, are wrong.

The UK is sinking deeper into the sesspit of political correctness and dragging the good people of this nation down.
Religious books , Bible included , are full of savagery , cruelty and murder , such books were written when man was uncivilized , when cruelty and murder were the norm , when men were thrown into lions , when men women and children would applaud the killing of one human by another . Exodus contains some of the most vicious examples of human perceivement of savagery .
One man exposes some of the myths contained in one religious book , and the British government scared shit about the likely Muslim reaction to his presence in the UK place a ban on him entering the country.
I do not beleive that there is , there was or there ever will be God , it is my right to hold these beliefs and it is the right of those that believe to beleive. I hope that on my next visit to Cyprus , soon I hope , the RoC doesn't ban from entering because I do NOT beleive in mythology.
God bless you all !

[bill cobbett]

This Wilders chappy is... well.... it would save words if I describe him as a right wing fascist bastxxrd.

The film itself isn't banned. Given the internet that would be a pretty useless step to take. The man himself is banned from GB for three years.

Does the film provoke racial or religious hatred (both crimes in GB and elsewhere) or does it provoke a breakdown pf public order or does it merely provoke debate? I guess the answer to that depends on the sensibilities of the audience and I suspect that the very small number of people who would be provoked to public disorder by the film will find some other excuse to vent their angers publically or to rouse others to do their dirty work for them.

So my view is that it was a sad day cos the limits to free expression should be as liberal as possible whilst staying on the right side the law of encitement to other crimes.

Extreme views should be condemned by way of reasoned debate and opposition. If we just ban these people aren't we just condemning ourselves by our cowardice and unwillingness to confront vile opinions in free debate? I don't think it's the job of governments to choose whether to allow people to take on that challenge, it's ours.

[Get Real!]

This Wilders chappy is... well.... it would save words if I describe him as a right wing fascist bastxxrd.

The film itself isn't banned. Given the internet that would be a pretty useless step to take. The man himself is banned from GB for three years.

Does the film provoke racial or religious hatred (both crimes in GB and elsewhere) or does it provoke a breakdown pf public order or does it merely provoke debate? I guess the answer to that depends on the sensibilities of the audience and I suspect that the very small number of people who would be provoked to public disorder by the film will find some other excuse to vent their angers publically or to rouse others to do their dirty work for them.

So my view is that it was a sad day cos the limits to free expression should be as liberal as possible whilst staying on the right side the law of encitement to other crimes.

Extreme views should be condemned by way of reasoned debate and opposition. If we just ban these people aren't we just condemning ourselves by our cowardice and unwillingness to confront vile opinions in free debate? I don't think it's the job of governments to choose whether to allow people to take on that challenge, it's ours.

While you were blissfully preoccupied with your philosophical diarrhea above, only God knows how many people died in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Palestine, at the hands of US, UK, and Israeli criminals, so if you think that “confronting vile opinions” is important then imagine how important it is to confront the VILE ACTIONS of these criminal countries… so do get your priorities right Bill!