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[insan]

The only conclusion that I can reach is that the muslim scum are in reverse evolution. Soon they'll be dragging their women round by the hair, weilding clubs and hunting Sabre tothed tigers.

Either intentionally or ignorantly u r trying portray whole muslims as extremists.

In the immediate aftermath of Sept. 11, 2001, there were decent folk who, ignorant of religion, wanted to know if Islam was inherently a primitive, violent creed. Books on Islam were in great demand, and as people read them they learned, perhaps to their surprise, that Islamic societies were once more enlightened than Europe. Muslim women owned property and enjoyed more dignity than their counterparts in the West. Minorities who faced persecution in Christian lands often fled to the Islamic world because they knew that among Muslims they'd be unmolested…

http://www.islam101.com/terror/christianExtremists.htm

Do u think there's no extremists among Christians? Read the whole article then...

http://christianextremists.org/

Christian Identity was derived from a nineteenth-century form of biblical exegesis known as British Israelism. In the last decades of the twentieth century the ideology of CI groups such as The Covenant, The Sword and the Arm of the Lord (CSA); The Church of Jesus Christ, Christian; Aryan Nations, The Christian Defense League, and The Kingdom Identity Ministries, blended into their distinctive amalgam of biblical, apocalyptic, historical, anti-Semitic, racist, and conspiratorial theories. The ingredients of these theories were taken from New Age groups, survivalism, the patriot movement, and from neo-Nazi variants of white supremacist teaching. 5 A brochure published by Aryan Nations included this statement in their creed of faith:

"We BELIEVE there is a battle being fought this day between the children of darkness (today known as Jews) and the children of Light (God), the Aryan race, the true Israel of the Bible." 3
Their motto is "Violence Solves Everything." 6

One of the United States most notorious right wing terrorist groups of the post-war era, the Order (a.k.a. the Silent Brotherhood, or Holy Order of Aryan Warriors) brought together militant racists from Christian Identity, some Odinists, and people of conventional neo-Nazi backgrounds. 5

http://www.religioustolerance.org/tomek34d.htm

Btw, don't forget to check abt the new Enotitan movement among Orthodox Christians.

http://enocism.blogspot.com/
www.neobyzantine.org

[Get Real!]

Here is a question for all our bash patriots: Suppose Turkey comes to the rescue of the Palestinians and a war breaks out betwen Israel and Turkey. I put it to you that soon you will change allegiance and glorify the Jewish state. How about it?

I would sit back and watch them kill each other and have a great laugh.

Yiassou re Kafene...

[Paphitis]

Here is a question for all our bash patriots: Suppose Turkey comes to the rescue of the Palestinians and a war breaks out betwen Israel and Turkey. I put it to you that soon you will change allegiance and glorify the Jewish state. How about it?

Too right they would.

The Greek Flags will be replaced with Israeli Flags....

[Paphitis]

Bill, your mistake was to LINK the alleged threat to our right to free speech with a supporter of war crimes.

Had you used a more decent example of an attempt against our right to free speech I would’ve supported you but NOT at the expense of millions of Iraqi victims thank you!

My Dear GR,

I believe that everyone has a right to unfettered FoS (short of incitement) no matter how malodorous their views. I posted about this chap cos it was a major news event that made the headlines here in GB earlier this week and this chap's extreme views present us with an equally extreme test of our commitment to FoS. For these reasons I feel it demands discussion.

But are Geert Wilder's views really all that wrong? Is the UK warranted in restricting this man's freedom of movement? Is this not a breach of the EU Acquis Communautaire?

Perhaps there is an underlying threat from Islamic Fundamentalism and this subject is worthy of more debate.

I have found a list of various terrorism attacks from Islamic Fundamentalists:


1979

Nov. 4, Tehran, Iran: Iranian radical students seized the U.S. embassy, taking 66 hostages. 14 were later released. The remaining 52 were freed after 444 days on the day of President Reagan's inauguration.

1982–1991

Lebanon: Thirty US and other Western hostages kidnapped in Lebanon by Hezbollah. Some were killed, some died in captivity, and some were eventually released. Terry Anderson was held for 2,454 days.

1983

April 18, Beirut, Lebanon: U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
Oct. 23, Beirut, Lebanon: Shiite suicide bombers exploded truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 marines. Minutes later a second bomb killed 58 French paratroopers in their barracks in West Beirut.
Dec. 12, Kuwait City, Kuwait: Shiite truck bombers attacked the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80.

1984

Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military.
Dec. 3, Beirut, Lebanon: Kuwait Airways Flight 221, from Kuwait to Pakistan, hijacked and diverted to Tehran. 2 Americans killed.

1985

April 12, Madrid, Spain: Bombing at restaurant frequented by U.S. soldiers, killed 18 Spaniards and injured 82.
June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17 days. A U.S. Navy diver executed.
Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro. One U.S. tourist killed. Hijacking linked to Libya.
Dec. 18, Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria: airports in Rome and Vienna were bombed, killing 20 people, 5 of whom were Americans. Bombing linked to Libya.

1986

April 2, Athens, Greece:A bomb exploded aboard TWA flight 840 en route from Rome to Athens, killing 4 Americans and injuring 9.
April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds.

1988

Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747 exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground. Passengers included 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. military personnel. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15 years later (Aug. 2003) and offered $2.7 billion compensation to victims' families.

1993

Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.

1995

Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.


1996

June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.

1998

Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.

2000

Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.

2001

Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed 2 commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; 2 more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered 2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa., and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed. (See September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.)

2002

June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb explodes outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda.

2003

May 12, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: suicide bombers kill 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners. Al-Qaeda suspected.

2004

May 29–31, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American.
June 11–19, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 2 other Americans and BBC cameraman killed by gun attacks.
Dec. 6, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate, killing 5 consulate employees. 4 terrorists were killed by Saudi security.

2005

Nov. 9, Amman, Jordan: suicide bombers hit 3 American hotels, Radisson, Grand Hyatt, and Days Inn, in Amman, Jordan, killing 57. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility.

2006

Sept. 13, Damascus, Syria: an attack by four gunman on the American embassy is foiled.

2007

Dec. 11, Algeria: more than 60 people are killed, including 11 United Nations staff members, when Al Qaeda terrorists detonate two car bombs near Algeria's Constitutional Council and the United Nations offices.
2008
May 26, Iraq: a suicide bomber on a motorcycle kills six U.S. soldiers and wounds 18 others in Tarmiya.
June 24, Iraq: a suicide bomber kills at least 20 people, including three U.S. Marines, at a meeting between sheiks and Americans in Karmah, a town west of Baghdad.
June 12, Afghanistan: four American servicemen are killed when a roadside bomb explodes near a U.S. military vehicle in Farah Province.
July 13, Afghanistan: nine U.S.soldiers and at least 15 NATO troops die when Taliban militants boldly attack an American base in Kunar Province, which borders Pakistan. It's the most deadly against U.S. troops in three years.
Aug. 18 and 19, Afghanistan: as many as 15 suicide bombers backed by about 30 militants attack a U.S. military base, Camp Salerno, in Bamiyan. Fighting between U.S. troops and members of the Taliban rages overnight. No U.S. troops are killed.
Sept. 16, Yemen: a car bomb and a rocket strike the U.S. embassy in Yemen as staff arrived to work, killing 16 people, including 4 civilians. At least 25 suspected al-Qaeda militants are arrested for the attack.
Nov. 26, India: in a series of attacks on several of Mumbai's landmarks and commercial hubs that are popular with Americans and other foreign tourists, including at least two five-star hotels, a hospital, a train station, and a cinema. About 300 people are wounded and nearly 190 people die, including at least 5 Americans.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0001454.html

[Paphitis]

Australian Muslim cleric, six others jailed on terror charges

Feb 2, 2009

MELBOURNE, Australia (AFP) — A Muslim cleric and six followers were jailed for up to 15 years Tuesday for forming an Australian terror cell that plotted bomb attacks designed to kill thousands.

"The organisation fostered and encouraged its members to engage in violent jihad -- to perform a terrorist act," judge Bernard Bongiorno told Victoria state's Supreme Court after Australia's biggest terrorism trial.

Firebrand cleric Abdul Nacer Benbrika, 48, was jailed for 15 years, of which he must serve at least 12 years, while his followers received minimum terms of between four and seven-and-a-half years.

Algerian-born Benbrika had urged them to target large crowds at sports matches or a train station to pressure the Australian government to withdraw its soldiers from Iraq and Afghanistan, the court heard.

Benbrika had said it was "permissible to kill women, children and the aged," prosecutors said. Material seized from the group included bomb-making instructions and video tapes with messages from Osama bin Laden.

The men referred to themselves as mujahedeen, or holy warriors, and considered violent jihad an integral part of their religious obligations, said Bongiorno.

They were arrested in November 2005 after the government strengthened laws to detain those in the early stages of planning terror acts after the London transport bombings in July that year.

Describing Benbrika as an "unskilled fanatic," Bongiorno said he sought explosives training from an undercover police officer and "all of the evidence points inexorably to a conclusion that he maintains his position with respect to violent jihad."

Benbrika was so committed to violent jihad, Bongiorno said, that he had talked about continuing the group's activities behind bars if its members were jailed.

While the group had not chosen a specific target or carried out an attack, the judge said they had shown no remorse, and did not appear to have renounced their beliefs.

"The existence of the... terrorist organisation constituted a significant threat that a terrorist act would be or would have, by now, been committed here," the judge said.

"The absence of an imminent, let alone an actual, terrorist attack does not mean that condign punishment is not warranted in this case."

Remy Ven de Wiel, defending Benbrika, had argued the defendants were not terrorists but young men learning about Islam from a self-styled sheikh who "couldn't organise a booze-up in a brewery."

He told the court his client was a braggart and did nothing more than talk about jihad, or holy war.

"The Muslims in Australia have a sense of powerlessness and political impotence and they express themselves," Van de Wiel had told the jury.

But after eight months of evidence the jurors found Benbrika guilty of directing a terrorist organisation and the other six -- Aimen Joud, 24, Fadl Sayadi, 28, Abdullah Merhi, 23, Ezzit Raad, 27, Ahmed Raad, 25 and Amer Haddara, 29 -- guilty of being members.

Ahmed Raad, Ezzit Raad and Joud were also convicted of intentionally making funds available to a terrorist organisation, while Joud and Benbrika were found guilty of possessing a CD connected with the preparation of a terrorist act.

Bongiorno jailed Joud and Ahmed Raad for a minimum seven-and-a-half years each, Sayadi for six years, Ezzit Raad for five years and nine months, Haddara for four-and-a-half years and Merhi for four years.

An eighth man, Izzydeen Atik, pleaded guilty in August 2007 and was jailed for five-and-a-half years.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... pvS_dVc5Fg

[Paphitis]

KEVIN Rudd has demanded a Melbourne Islamic cleric apologise for reportedly telling male followers they can force their wives to have sex, and hit them if they're disobedient.
The Prime Minister said Samir Abu Hamza's comments had no place in modern Australia.

During a 2003 lecture also posted on the internet last year, Mr Hamza told followers that under Islamic law, men could demand sex from their wives, the Herald Sun reported.

Despite Australian laws requiring consent, it was impossible for a man to rape his wife even if she refused to have sex, he said.

He also reportedly said that Islamic law allowed men to hit their wives as a last resort, but were not allowed to leave them bruised or bloodied.

Mr Rudd said Mr Hamza should apologise.

“Under no circumstances is sexual violence permissible or acceptable in Australia - under no circumstances,” he told reporters in Hobart.

“Under no circumstances are other forms of violence, physical violence, acceptable towards women in Australia nor are they acceptable in my view to mainstream Muslim teachings.

“Australia will not tolerate these sort of remarks. They don't belong in modern Australia, and he should stand up, repudiate them and apologise.”

In the lecture, titled The Keys to a Successful Marriage, Mr Hamza mocks Australia's sexual assault laws that require consent for sex between a man and his wife.

“Amazing, how can a man rape his wife?” he asks.

Mr Hamza, a cleric in the Melbourne suburb of Coburg, told the Herald Sun a man could hit his wife on the hand or leg, but not on the head.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st ... 02,00.html

[lovernomore]

Here is a question for all our bash patriots: Suppose Turkey comes to the rescue of the Palestinians and a war breaks out betwen Israel and Turkey. I put it to you that soon you will change allegiance and glorify the Jewish state. How about it?

I would sit back and watch them kill each other and have a great laugh.

Yiassou re Kafene...

Teh world had a good laugh seen Armenians die so good luck my friend to watch Jews and Turks die. Sick bastard Kafenes and wanker GR.

[Paphitis]

Here is a question for all our bash patriots: Suppose Turkey comes to the rescue of the Palestinians and a war breaks out betwen Israel and Turkey. I put it to you that soon you will change allegiance and glorify the Jewish state. How about it?

I would sit back and watch them kill each other and have a great laugh.

Yiassou re Kafene...

Teh world had a good laugh seen Armenians die so good luck my friend to watch Jews and Turks die. Sick bastard Kafenes and wanker GR.

[lovernomore]

Here is a question for all our bash patriots: Suppose Turkey comes to the rescue of the Palestinians and a war breaks out betwen Israel and Turkey. I put it to you that soon you will change allegiance and glorify the Jewish state. How about it?

I would sit back and watch them kill each other and have a great laugh.

Yiassou re Kafene...

Teh world had a good laugh seen Armenians die so good luck my friend to watch Jews and Turks die. Sick bastard Kafenes and wanker GR.

so it is ok for 2 nations to go to war and kill each other and for us to watch and get plesure becouse they are jews and turks?

[Paphitis]

Here is a question for all our bash patriots: Suppose Turkey comes to the rescue of the Palestinians and a war breaks out betwen Israel and Turkey. I put it to you that soon you will change allegiance and glorify the Jewish state. How about it?

I would sit back and watch them kill each other and have a great laugh.

Yiassou re Kafene...

Teh world had a good laugh seen Armenians die so good luck my friend to watch Jews and Turks die. Sick bastard Kafenes and wanker GR.

so it is ok for 2 nations to go to war and kill each other and for us to watch and get plesure becouse they are jews and turks?

I do not get pleasure from any nations going to war and killing innocent people.

Your comment was disgusting, especially considering the fact that 1.5 million Armenians were slaughtered by the Ottoman Turks.

Anyway, we have gone off topic again. Do you have anything intelligent to say about Geert Wilder and freedom of speech?