Ierini-Baris wrote:Oracle wrote:Ierini-Baris wrote:Oracle wrote:Ierini-Baris wrote:Article 17.
* (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
* (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.
Do you believe this human rights are applied to TCs now in a EU member Republic of Cyprus ? By the way by saying TCs i mean the ones that are citizen of Republic of Cyprus
The TCs are not deprived of their property nor their right to live in them.
Well sorry my friend this is not true. Both my father and my mothers village was bicomunnal villages .( Dali and Dohni) I have visited them both and have a chat with a British guy living in Dohni he told the houses were destroyed in 1980s and the valuable stone was used in building villas. My fathers house is also destroyed. I am not saying this to offend anyone like you have destroyed our houses. It is normal according to me.
Another case is If a TC went to UK in 1973 and lived there he/she can sell his/her land and can buy land but If you live in illegal TRNC you can not .I beileve this is normal as well.
But you can not say that TCs are not deprieved of their property nor their right to live in them.
Please remember thar TCs were deprieved from their houses beginning from 1963 not in 1974 so land issues does not start onyl at 1974...
Even all this happen I have no problem with what happend has happened and its not our fault.
But when referring human rights please dont forget us (TCs) we were living with you on this island for more than 400 years...
No one is "forgetting" the TCs' Rights. In fact, when all is said and done, it is best not to think of them, as you are doing, either TC Rights or GC Rights ... but what they truly are .... Human Rights! These are the same for all ... no more, no less!
What you say about TCs losing their homes, is a distortion of the truth. Neither in 1963 did the GCs force the TCs from their homes, nor now! There is a backlog of data to show it was their own preferred actions, which meant they withdrew, with the only enforcement coming from Denktash's TMT.
As far as homes being destroyed ... the TCs conveniently forget how much destruction the Invading Turkish Army caused, with its bombs and Napalm ...
And do not forget also the earthquakes. ... our home was riddled with cracks from the last one ... but fortunately was well built enough that it withstood ... not so for a lot of crumbling neglected buildings. So to make them safe ... since you say they were in bi-communal villages, so presumably GCs still live around there, and children play ... then as happens in all places (I know this happens in France) ... abandoned homes have to be made safe, for anyone in the vicinity.
But the land they were on would still be in the TCs names, and honoured, and if the house is gone ... then it is just a matter of neglect from the previous occupants not being around to look after it, and instead enjoying some GCs home in the north .... The GCs are actually the only ones in this scenario, to be forcefully and most at gun point, be evacuated from their homes, and to this day REFUSED permission to return, and reclaim.
Please try and put your bias aside .... my TC neighbours in London, became very wealthy post 1974, with frequent trips to the "trnc" where once they had nothing in Cyprus!
First of all I am sorry for seperately writing TCs and GCs its wrong I accept that.
Second I also accept that in some cases TMT put pressure on people to move but this is not valid for all cases. Aysozomono is a case. And there are other villages that I dont know the proper names only Turkısh names sorryI also said 1963 as beginning date but it was actually 1958.So basicly you can not put all fault on TMT and show EOKA as angels who loved all cypriots.(ıncluding the left wing people loved by EOKA B).
Earthquakes and being neglected may work for some houses but for this case it does not work because it is not me but a British living there since 1974 who says he saw that houses were destroyed.
I totally agree that Turkish army caused more destruction and totally disagree with the way they misused their guarantor rights because after a point it is obvious that they wanted to keep the islan like the Cunta regime in Greece also wanted and acted at 15 July.
If you check my other post you will understand how much I oppose to people being rich by selling GC properties I always supported renting the land never giving them to people as permanent since I knew this would cause great trouble one day. Well but I am only one person and people thinking like this in 1974 was only a bunch to support federal cyprus all the time.
In the end I am actually not that biased and care about your taughts. And If there is something I do not know or know wrong I can say I am sorry. I hope you can do the same and we can always have a civilized discussion
Me too! But I didn't mention EOKA ... and yes TMT was formed before 1963.
If one Brit told you something, it doesn't mean it is the truth. After all it is the Brits who stirred things up beyond belief
Please see what is more reasonable, and that is what happens to most houses when they are neglected. But I hope you now accept as far as the RoC is concerned all TC houses in the free areas still belong to the TCs and it is up to them to return ... whereas the opposite for GCs is not true!
... whilst we were in the midst of debating present day Human Rights violations.
