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[Oracle]

Article 17.

* (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
* (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Do you believe this human rights are applied to TCs now in a EU member Republic of Cyprus ? By the way by saying TCs i mean the ones that are citizen of Republic of Cyprus

The TCs are not deprived of their property nor their right to live in them.

[Oracle]

Rehn tells Cyprus not to miss chance to reunite in 2009

February 13, 2009

European Commissioner for Enlargement Olli Rehn pointed out on Friday that there is a unique chance to reunite Cyprus in 2009 and that this chance should not be missed.
Rehn said the EU is fully supportive of the process of direct talks for a comprehensive settlement of the Cyprus problem, adding that the two sides on the island are ready to put aside the past and work together to reunify the island and the two communities, which gives him great hope for the future of a reunified Cyprus, as a normal member state of the EU.
Speaking at a press conference in Nicosia after meetings with the leaders of the two communities, namely President of the Republic Demetris Christofias and Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat, Rehn said ''there is a unique chance this year to reunite Cyprus and bring to an end this longstanding conflict on European soil,'' adding that ''this chance must be taken and not missed.''
He also assured that ''the EU and the European Commission are fully supportive of this process of negotiations for a comprehensive settlement.''
Referring to his meetings on the island with the leaders of the two communities and UN representatives, Rehn said he welcomed ''their strong commitment to a successful reunification,'' adding that ''the Commission is providing all political support for their efforts and we are also ready to offer our legal and technical advice on matters relating to the EU.''
''Once the leaders agree on a comprehensive solution to the Cyprus issue, the EU will then accommodate the terms of a settlement. We will do our utmost to accommodate the terms of a settlement, in line with the fundamental principles on which the EU is founded,'' he pointed out.
Rehn explained that ''this means, for instance, that of course a settlement should be in line with the principles and the acquis communautaire of the EU, and it is essential that the reunified Cyprus will be able to speak with one single voice in the decision-making structures of the EU.''
''That is essential for Cyprus and that is absolutely essential for the EU, and that means that we are in favour of a bizonal bicommunal federation, with political equality, as defined in the resolutions of the UN,'' he added.
He also said that he walked down Ledra Street and had the opportunity to speak with people from both communities, noting that ''the two sides of the island are ready to put aside the past and work together to reunify the island and the two communities.''
''This gives me great hope for the future of Cyprus, of a reunified Cyprus, as a normal member state of the EU,'' he said.
Rehn noted that he discussed with the leaders of the two communities ''mostly the negotiation process related to the comprehensive solution, but in that context we discussed the importance of further confidence building measures.''
''In this context I welcomed their decision to set up an expert commission or advisory body to deal with the preservation and restoration of immovable cultural heritage. That is again one step forward,'' he pointed out.
He thanked the leaders ''for their support to the demining of the buffer zone,'' noting that ''since 2004, the EU has provided some nine million euros for this and we are open to provide further funding since I believe it is one of the factors that would facilitate a comprehensive solution.''
Rehn added that ''the EU stands ready to support a Cypriot solution to the Cyprus problem for the sake of Cyprus and for the sake of Europe, and we rely on the two leaders' skills and determination to reach that solution and we are supporting their work in order to achieve this common objective.''
Replying to questions about possible deadlines for achieving a settlement, Rehn said that ''it is better to avoid delving into this discussion, which has deep roots in the two communities as a culture.''
''In my view it is essential that there is mutual trust between the two leaders, as there is, and that the two communities support their efforts, they support the solution and, in the case of the Turkish Cypriot community, they support a pro-solution and pro-European orientation. That is what counts and that will bring results, I am sure,'' he added.
Asked what the EU could do to bridge the approach of the two communities and the approach of Turkey to a solution, Rehn said ''the two leaders have found common ground on the basis, on the foundations of a settlement concerning governance, and that is certainly welcome, even if some issues are perhaps still open as regards that chapter.''
''As regards Turkey, I have had meetings recently with leaders of Turkey. Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso has met Prime Minister Erdogan some weeks ago, and in all our meetings we underlined the importance of proactive support by Turkey for a comprehensive settlement, along the lines that the two leaders and the two communities can agree. It is indeed important that Turkey contributes to a favourable political atmosphere to facilitate a comprehensive settlement on Cyprus,'' he added.
Rehn noted that ''what counts is that the two leaders have been able to agree on the political foundations of a unified Cyprus, even if there are still some open issues.''
''We express our views to Turkey to encourage political support and create a favourable climate. What counts is that Turkey supports the process along the lines that the two leaders have agreed and will continue to work in order to agree on other issues,'' Rehn added.
Asked if a solution of the Cyprus problem should take into account the EU principle on the free movement of citizens, Rehn said ''the free movement of people is one of the core freedoms of the single market of the EU.''
''I find it only natural that this will be also the result of a comprehensive solution in Cyprus. I do not see any reason why it should not be so,'' he concluded.
Cyprus, which joined the EU in 2004, has been divided since 1974, when Turkey invaded and occupied its northern third.

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[Ierini-Baris]

Article 17.

* (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
* (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Do you believe this human rights are applied to TCs now in a EU member Republic of Cyprus ? By the way by saying TCs i mean the ones that are citizen of Republic of Cyprus

The TCs are not deprived of their property nor their right to live in them.

Well sorry my friend this is not true. Both my father and my mothers village was bicomunnal villages .( Dali and Dohni) I have visited them both and have a chat with a British guy living in Dohni he told the houses were destroyed in 1980s and the valuable stone was used in building villas. My fathers house is also destroyed. I am not saying this to offend anyone like you have destroyed our houses. It is normal according to me.

Another case is If a TC went to UK in 1973 and lived there he/she can sell his/her land and can buy land but If you live in illegal TRNC you can not .I beileve this is normal as well.

But you can not say that TCs are not deprieved of their property nor their right to live in them.

Please remember thar TCs were deprieved from their houses beginning from 1963 not in 1974 so land issues does not start onyl at 1974...

Even all this happen I have no problem with what happend has happened and its not our fault.

But when referring human rights please dont forget us (TCs) we were living with you on this island for more than 400 years...

[Ierini-Baris]

Do you believe this human rights are applied to TCs now in a EU member Republic of Cyprus ? By the way by saying TCs i mean the ones that are citizen of Republic of Cyprus

Cant have it both ways,cant have your property and rights and support at the same time a illegal entity(trnc).Why do t/c try to make arguments that cant stand?

TCs living in UK which support illegal entity(TRNC) much more than anyone else can buy and sell land They also sell their land in north which was given to them for the lands they have in south. So human I guess you can have it both ways!!!! and in such a good way...

But people living in TRNC would not sell their land in north so at least you know that something is there to take when a future agrement is made.

I my self do not want to sell my land that is in south I am not in a hurry to leave the island bt just wanted to explain you that you can have it both ways and by this policy you are only punishing the TCs that were already been punished by the improper TRNC goverments that did not give them a fair land as replacement of their land in south...

[halil]

there was this news on the one of the papers in TRNC.

TC's lawer Oktay Feridun has announced that his family own 350-360 donums of land around the famous baths of Aphrodite and Potamous.He and his family had title deeds registered in his parents name for houses ,shops ,almond groves and fields and they are going to apply for their lands from the Paphos land registration office .... lets and see the results together.

[Piratis]

Article 17.

* (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
* (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Do you believe this human rights are applied to TCs now in a EU member Republic of Cyprus ? By the way by saying TCs i mean the ones that are citizen of Republic of Cyprus

Your right to property is 100% yours and nobody denied it to you. If you left from parts of Cyprus this is due to your own dream for partition.

When you stop trying for partition you can go back to your own properties and GCs can go back to their own.

[Piratis]

there was this news on the one of the papers in TRNC.

TC's lawer Oktay Feridun has announced that his family own 350-360 donums of land around the famous baths of Aphrodite and Potamous.He and his family had title deeds registered in his parents name for houses ,shops ,almond groves and fields and they are going to apply for their lands from the Paphos land registration office .... lets and see the results together.

Did TCs give back what you stole?

You give us back the 100% of our land and rights and you get back the 100% of yours. Do you agree?

[halil]

REHN: EU PROVIDES ITS FULL POLITICAL SUPPORT TO A FEDERAL SOLUTION ON THE BASIS OF POLITICAL EQUALITY

The EU Commissioner for Enlargement Olli Rehn has said there is a unique chance this year to reunite Cyprus and bring an end to the ongoing problem on European soil.

This chance should not be missed, Rehn italicized.

At a press conference held at the Ledra Palace Hotel in the UN-controlled buffer zone at noon today, Mr Rehn stressed the EU’s full political support to the Cyprus negotiations process which is aimed at providing a bi-zonal, bi-communal federal solution to the Cyprus problem on the basis of political equality.

`We do support a Cypriot solution, both for the sake of Cyprus and Europe` Rehn said and noted that the EU is ready to provide legal and technical assistance when necessary.

Referring to his meetings with President Mehmet Ali Talat and the Leader of the Greek Cypriot Administration Demetris Christofias, the EU Commissioner strongly welcomed the commitment of the two leaders towards finding a federal solution.

Rehn went on to say that once the two sides agree on a solution, the EU will accommodate the terms of a settlement in line with the EU’s founding principles and the Acquis Communautaire.

`It is essential that a unified Cyprus will be able to speak with one voice in the EU`, Mr Rehn underscored.

EU Commissioner for Enlargement said, during his tour in the Lokmaci area, he observed the two sides’ readiness to put the past aside and work together for a settlement, adding that this gives hope.

Having discussed the importance of further confidence-building measures with Talat and Christofias, Mr. Rehn welcomed the approval of both for the establishment of an advisory board on the restoration and protection of immoveable cultural heritage on the island.

He also underlined the importance of de-mining operations and noted that the EU will continue to provide funding to complete with the project.

Asked if the absence of a deadline would cause the negotiations process to drag on, the Commissioner answered that the mutual trust between the two leaders and the support the two communities provide for a political settlement are what matter most.

Answering a question on Turkey’s stance on the Cyprus issue, he pointed to the importance of Turkey’s support to the solution process- which he said was clearly observed during the contacts held between EU and Turkish officials.

EU Commissioner Rehn started his Cyprus contacts with meetings in the South.

This was then followed with a tour in the Lokmaci area where he was greeted by President Talat’s Special Representative for UN and EU Affairs- Ozdil Nami.

Mr Rehn also paid a visit to the EU Programme Support Office.
Later the Commissioner was received by President Talat and Prime Minister Ferdi Sabit Soyer separately at the Presidential Palace.

[Oracle]

Article 17.

* (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
* (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Do you believe this human rights are applied to TCs now in a EU member Republic of Cyprus ? By the way by saying TCs i mean the ones that are citizen of Republic of Cyprus

The TCs are not deprived of their property nor their right to live in them.

Well sorry my friend this is not true. Both my father and my mothers village was bicomunnal villages .( Dali and Dohni) I have visited them both and have a chat with a British guy living in Dohni he told the houses were destroyed in 1980s and the valuable stone was used in building villas. My fathers house is also destroyed. I am not saying this to offend anyone like you have destroyed our houses. It is normal according to me.

Another case is If a TC went to UK in 1973 and lived there he/she can sell his/her land and can buy land but If you live in illegal TRNC you can not .I beileve this is normal as well.

But you can not say that TCs are not deprieved of their property nor their right to live in them.

Please remember thar TCs were deprieved from their houses beginning from 1963 not in 1974 so land issues does not start onyl at 1974...

Even all this happen I have no problem with what happend has happened and its not our fault.

But when referring human rights please dont forget us (TCs) we were living with you on this island for more than 400 years...

No one is "forgetting" the TCs' Rights. In fact, when all is said and done, it is best not to think of them, as you are doing, either TC Rights or GC Rights ... but what they truly are .... Human Rights! These are the same for all ... no more, no less!

What you say about TCs losing their homes, is a distortion of the truth. Neither in 1963 did the GCs force the TCs from their homes, nor now! There is a backlog of data to show it was their own preferred actions, which meant they withdrew, with the only enforcement coming from Denktash's TMT.

As far as homes being destroyed ... the TCs conveniently forget how much destruction the Invading Turkish Army caused, with its bombs and Napalm ...

And do not forget also the earthquakes. ... our home was riddled with cracks from the last one ... but fortunately was well built enough that it withstood ... not so for a lot of crumbling neglected buildings. So to make them safe ... since you say they were in bi-communal villages, so presumably GCs still live around there, and children play ... then as happens in all places (I know this happens in France) ... abandoned homes have to be made safe, for anyone in the vicinity.

But the land they were on would still be in the TCs names, and honoured, and if the house is gone ... then it is just a matter of neglect from the previous occupants not being around to look after it, and instead enjoying some GCs home in the north .... The GCs are actually the only ones in this scenario, to be forcefully and most at gun point, be evacuated from their homes, and to this day REFUSED permission to return, and reclaim.

Please try and put your bias aside .... my TC neighbours in London, became very wealthy post 1974, with frequent trips to the "trnc" where once they had nothing in Cyprus!

[Ierini-Baris]

Article 17.

* (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
* (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Do you believe this human rights are applied to TCs now in a EU member Republic of Cyprus ? By the way by saying TCs i mean the ones that are citizen of Republic of Cyprus

The TCs are not deprived of their property nor their right to live in them.

Well sorry my friend this is not true. Both my father and my mothers village was bicomunnal villages .( Dali and Dohni) I have visited them both and have a chat with a British guy living in Dohni he told the houses were destroyed in 1980s and the valuable stone was used in building villas. My fathers house is also destroyed. I am not saying this to offend anyone like you have destroyed our houses. It is normal according to me.

Another case is If a TC went to UK in 1973 and lived there he/she can sell his/her land and can buy land but If you live in illegal TRNC you can not .I beileve this is normal as well.

But you can not say that TCs are not deprieved of their property nor their right to live in them.

Please remember thar TCs were deprieved from their houses beginning from 1963 not in 1974 so land issues does not start onyl at 1974...

Even all this happen I have no problem with what happend has happened and its not our fault.

But when referring human rights please dont forget us (TCs) we were living with you on this island for more than 400 years...

No one is "forgetting" the TCs' Rights. In fact, when all is said and done, it is best not to think of them, as you are doing, either TC Rights or GC Rights ... but what they truly are .... Human Rights! These are the same for all ... no more, no less!

What you say about TCs losing their homes, is a distortion of the truth. Neither in 1963 did the GCs force the TCs from their homes, nor now! There is a backlog of data to show it was their own preferred actions, which meant they withdrew, with the only enforcement coming from Denktash's TMT.

As far as homes being destroyed ... the TCs conveniently forget how much destruction the Invading Turkish Army caused, with its bombs and Napalm ...

And do not forget also the earthquakes. ... our home was riddled with cracks from the last one ... but fortunately was well built enough that it withstood ... not so for a lot of crumbling neglected buildings. So to make them safe ... since you say they were in bi-communal villages, so presumably GCs still live around there, and children play ... then as happens in all places (I know this happens in France) ... abandoned homes have to be made safe, for anyone in the vicinity.

But the land they were on would still be in the TCs names, and honoured, and if the house is gone ... then it is just a matter of neglect from the previous occupants not being around to look after it, and instead enjoying some GCs home in the north .... The GCs are actually the only ones in this scenario, to be forcefully and most at gun point, be evacuated from their homes, and to this day REFUSED permission to return, and reclaim.

Please try and put your bias aside .... my TC neighbours in London, became very wealthy post 1974, with frequent trips to the "trnc" where once they had nothing in Cyprus![/quote
First of all I am sorry for seperately writing TCs and GCs its wrong I accept that.

Second I also accept that in some cases TMT put pressure on people to move but this is not valid for all cases. Aysozomono is a case. And there are other villages that I dont know the proper names only Turkısh names sorry I also said 1963 as beginning date but it was actually 1958.So basicly you can not put all fault on TMT and show EOKA as angels who loved all cypriots.(ıncluding the left wing people loved by EOKA B).

Earthquakes and being neglected may work for some houses but for this case it does not work because it is not me but a British living there since 1974 who says he saw that houses were destroyed.

I totally agree that Turkish army caused more destruction and totally disagree with the way they misused their guarantor rights because after a point it is obvious that they wanted to keep the islan like the Cunta regime in Greece also wanted and acted at 15 July.

If you check my other post you will understand how much I oppose to people being rich by selling GC properties I always supported renting the land never giving them to people as permanent since I knew this would cause great trouble one day. Well but I am only one person and people thinking like this in 1974 was only a bunch to support federal cyprus all the time.

In the end I am actually not that biased and care about your taughts. And If there is something I do not know or know wrong I can say I am sorry. I hope you can do the same and we can always have a civilized discussion