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Postby Oracle » Thu Feb 12, 2009 7:20 pm

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halil wrote:Now the talks started ....it is on live transmission Yfred ....tune your sat rx to bayrak ... it is on now .....


Both leaders are inside the meeting room now ....

The leaders will exchange views on the principles that should guide the discussions on the property issue.

The United Nations Secretary General’s Special Adviser on Cyprus Alexander Downer who arrived in Cyprus this morning, will also attend the meeting between the two leaders.

as Ercakica saying at above looks like UN will step in after all . It will not suprise ...... Diplomatic traffic intensifies in Cyprus.

Following the British Minister for Europe Caroline Flint’s official visit, the EU Commissioner for Enlargement Olli Rehn comes next to hold contacts on the island.

Nami was in Brussels and also traffic between Turkey and northern Cyprus was very bussy this week .


Let them discuss what they like.....My properties, freedom of movement and human rights are not negotiable!!!!! And the UN can kiss my ass too. Let them first get Turkey to respect their own resolutions. What a muppet show :lol: :lol:


Wallece by the time you understand Its not only you living on the island you may start understanding why they are negotiating your freedom of movement your so called human right apllied to all TCs in Republic of Cyprus...


Please explain how the Human Rights' of TCs are being compromised, by anyone other than Turkey, at this very moment in time?
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Postby halil » Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:08 pm

today meeting lasted for two and a half hours.the leaders first held a tete-a-tete meeting.

Speaking after the meeting, the United Nations Secretary General’s Special Adviser on Cyprus Alexander Downer has said that the leaders have exchanged their proposals on the criteria of the property issue.
Responding to a question, Mr Downer said, from the very beginning, the role of the United Nations is to help the two leaders to find a solution to the Cyprus problem.
Mr Talat and Mr Christofias will come together next Thursday, the 19th of February.
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Postby Ierini-Baris » Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:40 am

Oracle wrote:
Ierini-Baris wrote:
wallace wrote:
halil wrote:
halil wrote:Now the talks started ....it is on live transmission Yfred ....tune your sat rx to bayrak ... it is on now .....


Both leaders are inside the meeting room now ....

The leaders will exchange views on the principles that should guide the discussions on the property issue.

The United Nations Secretary General’s Special Adviser on Cyprus Alexander Downer who arrived in Cyprus this morning, will also attend the meeting between the two leaders.

as Ercakica saying at above looks like UN will step in after all . It will not suprise ...... Diplomatic traffic intensifies in Cyprus.

Following the British Minister for Europe Caroline Flint’s official visit, the EU Commissioner for Enlargement Olli Rehn comes next to hold contacts on the island.

Nami was in Brussels and also traffic between Turkey and northern Cyprus was very bussy this week .


Let them discuss what they like.....My properties, freedom of movement and human rights are not negotiable!!!!! And the UN can kiss my ass too. Let them first get Turkey to respect their own resolutions. What a muppet show :lol: :lol:


Wallece by the time you understand Its not only you living on the island you may start understanding why they are negotiating your freedom of movement your so called human right apllied to all TCs in Republic of Cyprus...


Please explain how the Human Rights' of TCs are being compromised, by anyone other than Turkey, at this very moment in time?


I have never meant to say that TCs human rights are being vandalized at this time.( Turkey is compromising TC human rigths but it is an other topic to discuss) .My point was Wallace is only interested in his rights and nothing else...with this attitude no solution is possible..As you know no solution would be perfect for either TCs or GCs its not just possible.

The topic was introduced with all good intentions and hopes about a prospect solution but I hate to see that some ..... just try to contaminate the topic with his selfish ideas...
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Postby Piratis » Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:57 am

Can you tell me one of your human rights that you are willing to compromise?

Here are the human rights:
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

Tell me which one of those you are going to compromise.
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:45 am

Piratis wrote:Can you tell me one of your human rights that you are willing to compromise?

Here are the human rights:
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

Tell me which one of those you are going to compromise.


Piratis links to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

There are a couple of articles which stand out for me here....

Article 13.

(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.


Article 17.

(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.


Article 21.

(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

I'd like to see MrT put those in his BBF pipe and smoke them.
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Postby halil » Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:21 pm

halil wrote:today meeting lasted for two and a half hours.the leaders first held a tete-a-tete meeting.

Speaking after the meeting, the United Nations Secretary General’s Special Adviser on Cyprus Alexander Downer has said that the leaders have exchanged their proposals on the criteria of the property issue.
Responding to a question, Mr Downer said, from the very beginning, the role of the United Nations is to help the two leaders to find a solution to the Cyprus problem.
Mr Talat and Mr Christofias will come together next Thursday, the 19th of February.


President Mehmet Ali Talat and Greek Cypriot Leader Dimitris Christofias resumed their discussions on the property issue.

The two leaders presented their positions on the criteria for a property settlement during the meeting which lasted for two and a half hours.
The property issue will stay on the agenda for the next meeting next Thursday.

Meanwhile, President Mehmet Ali Talat said that the Greek Cypriot Side supported the idea of granting priority rights over properties to former owners.
In a short statement after the meeting, United Nations Secretary General’s Special Adviser on Cyprus Alexander Downer said that the leaders had exchanged their proposals on the criteria for the settlement of the property issue.

He also said that the two leaders will continue their discussions on the property issue when the meet again next Thursday on the 19th.
Responding to a question as to whether there was any agreement reached on criteria; the UN Special Advisor said that it was an early stage in the discussions on the issue of property.

“They have a way to go, of course, not surprisingly. These are difficult issues and they are not going to be resolved in one meeting like that” he added.

Replying to a question on the UN team of experts being formed to assist the process, Downer said it was very important for himself and the people working with him to have a good understanding of “all international precedent and approaches that have been taken to these types of issues”.

He said that he was being assisted by a Canadian academic on constitutional matters and would continue to receive help in the future as well.

“Through this process we will draw on people who are renowned experts to help me and to help the United Nations team to make sure that we fully understand the issues” he replied.

The Australian diplomat however stressed that there was no change in the UN’s current role in the talks.

As I have said all along, our role is not to write a settlement to the Cyprus problem. Our role is to be as helpful as we can and for the people of Cyprus in the end to make the decisions about any settlement that they may agree” he added.

Yesterday’s meeting was the third session on the thorny issue of property.

Meanwhile, speaking after returning to the Presidential Palace, the President said that the Greek Cypriot Side supported the idea of granting priority over the rights of the property to its former owners.

The President also said that the criteria of compensation, exchange or restitution regarding the settlement of the property dispute were discussed at yesterday’s meeting.

“There was an evaluation paper presented at the previous meeting which we have yet to discuss. We will put forward our reaction to that paper once we finish examining it” he added.


AND here is the below news from the UNFICYP
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I will just say a couple of words to explain what the leaders have been talking about today. You are probably aware that they were discussing the property issue today. They presented their positions on the criteria for a property settlement. Those discussions will continue next Thursday. If you have any questions I will be happy to answer them

Question:
Was there any agreement on those criteria?

Answer:
Well, this is a very early stage in those discussions. They have a way to go, of course, not surprisingly. As I have always said, these are difficult issues and they are not going to be resolved in one meeting like that.

Question:
Mr. Downer it has been reported that you have been reinforcing you team of experts. Would that signify a more hands-on approach from the United Nations in this process?

Answer:
As I said before, I think it is very important that I myself and my people working here have a very good understanding of the issues. There is no value in us not having a comprehensive understanding of the issues. So we of course are able under the budget of the United Nations to draw on people who are able to ensure that in particularly I understand all the international precedents and approaches that have been taken to these types of issues. So we have had an academic who has been helping us, he comes from a Canadian University - I think the University of Western Ontario. He is able to give me assistance and guidance on constitutional matters because that is what he is an expert on. Through this process we will draw on people who are renowned experts to help me and to help the United Nations team to make sure that we fully understand. I mean, everybody in this process needs to be on top of all the details and understand the issues, so that is really what it is about. As I have said all along, our role is not to write a settlement to the Cyprus problem. Our role is to be as helpful as we can and for the people of Cyprus in the end to make the decisions about any settlement that they may agree.

Question:
What was the climate like at today’s talks, Sir?

Answer:
Well, these are two people who know each other well and have a very good personal relationship, and that is reflected in the meetings

Question:
And was that reflected today as well?

Answer:
Yes, sure, it certainly was.

UNFICYP


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Postby wallace » Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:34 pm

Ierini-Baris wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Ierini-Baris wrote:
wallace wrote:
halil wrote:
halil wrote:Now the talks started ....it is on live transmission Yfred ....tune your sat rx to bayrak ... it is on now .....


Both leaders are inside the meeting room now ....

The leaders will exchange views on the principles that should guide the discussions on the property issue.

The United Nations Secretary General’s Special Adviser on Cyprus Alexander Downer who arrived in Cyprus this morning, will also attend the meeting between the two leaders.

as Ercakica saying at above looks like UN will step in after all . It will not suprise ...... Diplomatic traffic intensifies in Cyprus.

Following the British Minister for Europe Caroline Flint’s official visit, the EU Commissioner for Enlargement Olli Rehn comes next to hold contacts on the island.

Nami was in Brussels and also traffic between Turkey and northern Cyprus was very bussy this week .


Let them discuss what they like.....My properties, freedom of movement and human rights are not negotiable!!!!! And the UN can kiss my ass too. Let them first get Turkey to respect their own resolutions. What a muppet show :lol: :lol:


Wallece by the time you understand Its not only you living on the island you may start understanding why they are negotiating your freedom of movement your so called human right apllied to all TCs in Republic of Cyprus...


Please explain how the Human Rights' of TCs are being compromised, by anyone other than Turkey, at this very moment in time?


I have never meant to say that TCs human rights are being vandalized at this time.( Turkey is compromising TC human rigths but it is an other topic to discuss) .My point was Wallace is only interested in his rights and nothing else...with this attitude no solution is possible..As you know no solution would be perfect for either TCs or GCs its not just possible.

The topic was introduced with all good intentions and hopes about a prospect solution but I hate to see that some ..... just try to contaminate the topic with his selfish ideas...


Wallace is interested in everybodies rights....so you are very wrong there. Same rights for everybody. And you mean.....the solution would be perfect for the TC's if they can take away my rights of free movement. Nothing selfish about me..... I just want what all citizens have in the EU. You want to take that away from me?
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Postby Ierini-Baris » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:47 pm

Wallace I respect your right of free movement but a free movement just after a solution can cause chaos and you know that.

My proposal would be limiting the free movement for 5-10 years and set it free and would not mind movement of 200000 GCs to north sincce by that time people will get used to leaving together and the federation would be mature enough to solve any problems that can occur.

My problem was witj your tone /If you had expressed yourself better I would not reply to you the way I did. Hope we can reach an agreement and you beileve my goodwill..
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Postby Ierini-Baris » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:56 pm

Article 17.

* (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
* (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Do you believe this human rights are applied to TCs now in a EU member Republic of Cyprus ? By the way by saying TCs i mean the ones that are citizen of Republic of Cyprus
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Postby boulio » Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:26 pm

Do you believe this human rights are applied to TCs now in a EU member Republic of Cyprus ? By the way by saying TCs i mean the ones that are citizen of Republic of Cyprus


Cant have it both ways,cant have your property and rights and support at the same time a illegal entity(trnc).Why do t/c try to make arguments that cant stand?
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