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[YFred]

Come on Miltiades, you are better informed than that.
In the EU each country to their own. One country can block any law or process it likes. Totally undemocratic.
UK - We changed to 3 parliments where Everyone has a say in London and yet English have no say in Wales or Scotland.
The welsh and the scotts have two votes on account that they are a minority.
And to add insult to injury, we bankroll them from London. Where is the fairness in that?

Very simple. There is no one man one vote which adheres to your principle of democracy.

There moving towards confederation.

[insan]

Paliometoxo Wrote:

this is where you are WRONG, no nation eu un america nore england will allow partition any more then they will allow enosis with greece...

this kin dof thinking of partition or nothing is what is going to screw the turks over, keep pushing for partition and in the endturkey will get nothing and lose everything...

just like those who pushed for enosis lost 37% os the island to turkey not accepting NO for an answer

Wrong end of the stick mate, we remember the events of:

1) 1963; inter-communal fighting and Genocide against Turkish Cypriots
2) We remember the 15th July 1974 Coup
3) We remember what happened to the Turkish people of Crete
4) We remember your "NO" to the Annan Plan
5) We remember the purchase of the S300 missiles
6) We remember the Greek revolt against BRITISH RULE and then the independence of the Republic of Cyprus!
7) We remember the many failed UN plans since 1974
We remember the high level agreements and Makarios' commitment to a FEDERAL formula and not one based on GC domination.

AND, we remember when the EU recognised Kosovo, recognised the FYR of Macedonia and the split between Montenegro and Serbia and how Serbia was very disappointed, but could not do anything about it. We remember the Former Yugoslavian state and the conflict after it; genocide. We also remember how the CLOSE people of the former Czechoslovakia decided to split and was ACCEPTED by the EU.

YOU WILL ONE DAY REMEMBER THE CURRENT PROCESS and how partition, like most of Europe Became a reality in Cyprus.

Stop kidding yourselves, it'll only be harder for you to fathom in the long-run!

The evidence and Support for TWO REPUBLIC CYPRIOT States is overwhelming, and now too obvious to dismiss. I'm looking forward to working with the Greek Cypriots as a a Republic partner of the TRNC, perhaps you should bury your hatred and accept the reality.

Enosis is old news, a term that I did not use - why don't you broaden your mind and see the bigger picture of mutual understanding, similar to how the Czechs and Slovakians did/ and still do. You'll only damage yourselves if you don't!

U forgot to remember the 1967-74 fruitless Denktash-Makarios talks that the main reason for Makariosa and Junta, not to arrive to a settlement regarding the then dispute was again self determination right of the "GC peaople" and political equality of 2 main communities of Cyprus.

Let's assume no bloodshed, junta, coup,Turkish intervention, enosis, taksim have existed/happened; the only thing has remained to settle would have been the self-determination right of "GC people" VS political equality of 2 main communities of Cyprus.

After all bloodshed and undesired consequences do we still insist on strugling for the same cause; namely self-determination right of "GC people" VS political equality of 2 main communities of Cyprus? Yes. Till when? Till a diplomatic victory by either parties. Then? Agreed or a war/new clashes between "winner" and "loser"? Most probably...

[paliometoxo]

Paliometoxo Wrote:

this is where you are WRONG, no nation eu un america nore england will allow partition any more then they will allow enosis with greece...

this kin dof thinking of partition or nothing is what is going to screw the turks over, keep pushing for partition and in the endturkey will get nothing and lose everything...

just like those who pushed for enosis lost 37% os the island to turkey not accepting NO for an answer

Wrong end of the stick mate, we remember the events of:

1) 1963; inter-communal fighting and Genocide against Turkish Cypriots
2) We remember the 15th July 1974 Coup
3) We remember what happened to the Turkish people of Crete
4) We remember your "NO" to the Annan Plan
5) We remember the purchase of the S300 missiles
6) We remember the Greek revolt against BRITISH RULE and then the independence of the Republic of Cyprus!
7) We remember the many failed UN plans since 1974
We remember the high level agreements and Makarios' commitment to a FEDERAL formula and not one based on GC domination.

AND, we remember when the EU recognised Kosovo, recognised the FYR of Macedonia and the split between Montenegro and Serbia and how Serbia was very disappointed, but could not do anything about it. We remember the Former Yugoslavian state and the conflict after it; genocide. We also remember how the CLOSE people of the former Czechoslovakia decided to split and was ACCEPTED by the EU.

YOU WILL ONE DAY REMEMBER THE CURRENT PROCESS and how partition, like most of Europe Became a reality in Cyprus.

Stop kidding yourselves, it'll only be harder for you to fathom in the long-run!

The evidence and Support for TWO REPUBLIC CYPRIOT States is overwhelming, and now too obvious to dismiss. I'm looking forward to working with the Greek Cypriots as a a Republic partner of the TRNC, perhaps you should bury your hatred and accept the reality.

Enosis is old news, a term that I did not use - why don't you broaden your mind and see the bigger picture of mutual understanding, similar to how the Czechs and Slovakians did/ and still do. You'll only damage yourselves if you don't!

it was thwe turkish who came to cyprus bringing all this murder and spilled blood from the ottomans who came and killed thousands of greek cypriots and catholics to rule the island..

and later TMT who put a bomb for the turkish cypriots so the tcs would think it was gcs. that started the war between both sides.

Annan plan that talat and turkey dont forget to mention at every chance that was totally turkish taylored and meant permenant partition for cyprus! if it was totaly greek cypriot taylored tcs would of said no to, that was no plan.

Of course eoka wanted the independance from britain. unlike world war 2 where turks sided with germany over england and nearly lost all say over cyprus... i wouldent say wanting independance was a bad thing over the english, where as the english where using the turks for their own little games.

and yes many failed plans but like the 1960 plan that did not work there is no point to rush into a plan that one or both sides are not happy with.

Cyprus main population is gcs just like in turkey the turks out number the kurds of course they dominate their own land and not the minority to have control or build their own state. you dont se the russians in cyprus trying to build their own state.

Just like turkey will have no say, a break away state run by the mafia and the turkish army what chance does it have? these countries you mention now recognised are completely different situation to the one in cyprus.

[miltiades]

Come on Miltiades, you are better informed than that.
In the EU each country to their own. One country can block any law or process it likes. Totally undemocratic.
UK - We changed to 3 parliments where Everyone has a say in London and yet English have no say in Wales or Scotland.
The welsh and the scotts have two votes on account that they are a minority.
And to add insult to injury, we bankroll them from London. Where is the fairness in that?

Very simple. There is no one man one vote which adheres to your principle of democracy.

There moving towards confederation.

Fred I think you ought to study the fundamental principles of Democracy.
Here is one definition of democracy that holds true in all democratic states , and please note that it does not extend to a union of nations that come together as democratic nations each equal to one another regardless of size , wealth or power , any other method would be totalitarian and despotic.
Here is what democracy is all about :The political orientation of those who favour government by the people or by their elected representatives
a political system in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who can elect people to represent them .
Majority rule: the doctrine that the numerical majority of an organized group can make decisions binding on the whole group , DO PLEASE NOTICE " THE WHOLE GROUP MEANING POLITICAL GROUP .

[insan]

Come on Miltiades, you are better informed than that.
In the EU each country to their own. One country can block any law or process it likes. Totally undemocratic.
UK - We changed to 3 parliments where Everyone has a say in London and yet English have no say in Wales or Scotland.
The welsh and the scotts have two votes on account that they are a minority.
And to add insult to injury, we bankroll them from London. Where is the fairness in that?

Very simple. There is no one man one vote which adheres to your principle of democracy.

There moving towards confederation.

Fred I think you ought to study the fundamental principles of Democracy.
Here is one definition of democracy that holds true in all democratic states , and please note that it does not extend to a union of nations that come together as democratic nations each equal to one another regardless of size , wealth or power , any other method would be totalitarian and despotic.
Here is what democracy is all about :The political orientation of those who favour government by the people or by their elected representatives
a political system in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who can elect people to represent them .
Majority rule: the doctrine that the numerical majority of an organized group can make decisions binding on the whole group , DO PLEASE NOTICE " THE WHOLE GROUP MEANING POLITICAL GROUP .

Miltiadis, by defending "political equality of 2 main communities" of Cyprus we have never meant minority rule; to the contrary we clearly and starightly meant rule of 2 politically equal communities that r GCs and TCs; respectively.

[Get Real!]

I'm looking forward to working with the Greek Cypriots as a a Republic partner of the TRNC, perhaps you should bury your hatred and accept the reality.

And I’m looking forward to you mowing my lawn for peanuts while I watch you slowly but surely assimilate…

[Get Real!]

But we don't have it in EU, and we just lost it in UK too.

So whereabouts is this country called "EU" up your bum?

[Get Real!]

If this 'committee' was true and honest they should start by questioning/criticising the motives of the EU in allowing the GC south entry into the EU

There was no such thing as a "GC south entry" and that's why your feeble mind can't handle it. The "Republic of Cyprus" entered the EU with the UN's blessing after the advice of four experts they hired to research the matter. There's a report out there... find it, read it, and weep.

...and the ramifications that this would have upon any subsequent 'peace' talks.

What ramifications other than the fact that Turkey got rooted left, right, and center because she now needs Cyprus’ approval to join the EU? That’s a BLESSING for Cypriots and a pie in the face for traitors.

[Get Real!]

Miltiadis, by defending "political equality of 2 main communities" of Cyprus we have never meant minority rule; to the contrary we clearly and starightly meant rule of 2 politically equal communities that r GCs and TCs; respectively.

What you say, mean, and dream, is one thing... and what you'll get is what we the indigenous Cypriots call "The largest of the three!”

[humanist]

Europarlaiment constitution not worth the paper written on ........ what are they actually going to do about it to ensure Turkey withdarws its troops from Cyprus. Oli Ren and his little comanderos have gains and therefore not prepared to do abything about it. Today is the day they began acting like supporters of their own States by implementing and yes threatening Turkey with economic emabrgoes. Lets see if Turkey survives and can still afford troops on Cypriot land if this action is implemented immediately and especuially now that the world is experiencing ecnomic crisis.