Cyprus-Forum.com

[turkcyp]

deleted by the author...

[magikthrill]

property issue involving 100 TC citizens whose issue might have been resolved but its not an issue when it involves 150,000+ GCs?

[Kifeas]

Translation of a portion of R. R. Denktas's article in Halkin Sesi newspaper.

In 1968, when we have started the informational meetings with Clerides, one of the first complaints that have come in front of me was related with the property issue. Just before the events of 1963, in the districts of Paphos and Limasol, more than 100 TCs that have bought land from GCs, had made the sale agreements and paid the price as well, and the only thing left behind was to go to land regitry office and get the deeds registered under their name. But when the events of 21 December started, the land registry office refused to honor these transfers. “There is no law. These are the orders of Interior minister Yorgacis, we can not do transfer on these” was being said top TCs at the land registry office. This time TCs had applied to GCs to return their monies back, but the sellers said “ We have sold the land, we won’t return the money, you go and sort your problem out with land registry office”. So those TCs had lost money or land. And the GCs that sold the land had done nothing knowing that “It is illegal for TCs to use the land until they get the deed transfer done”

I have given the list of people to Clerides, and he said that he will look into it. A short while later in 1970, the law that prevents land sales to TCs had passed in their unconstitutional parliament.

I do not know how many of the TCs in the list had got their money back. Perhaps they have been given land to them in the north in return.
.
.
.

I would wish this is the only problem that we will have to deal with, when sorting out the property issue. If indeed Denktash gave a list of these 100 TCs to Klerides, I am sure Klerides will have no problem confirming it and thus those 100 TC’s property rights are taken into consideration.

I am wondering though, why Mr. Denktash did not get those people to file law suits against the government at that time and instead you undertook to handle the issue himself, since this was a purely legal matter? At least if law suits were filed at that time, the issue would have remained registered and there would be even up to this day an official hold on these properties in the Land registry records, until the issue would/will be settled.

[turkcyp]

deleted by the author...

[erolz]

I am wondering though, why Mr. Denktash did not get those people to file law suits against the government at that time and instead you undertook to handle the issue himself, since this was a purely legal matter? At least if law suits were filed at that time, the issue would have remained registered and there would be even up to this day an official hold on these properties in the Land registry records, until the issue would/will be settled.

The point of this story is it highlights the reality of what it meant to a TC to live in a unifed Cypriot state numericaly dominated by GC. You are saying why did we not go to the courts, yet Makarios himself had rejected the ruling of the Supreme Court in Cyprus on the issue of municipalites leading to the resogonation of the indpedent Supreme Court Judge. We did not go the courts because the reality was there was no justice for TC in Cypriot courts in a state controlled and run and dominated by GC.

[magikthrill]

Life does not start in 1974. I know some GCs will come and say right now that life does not start in 1960 as well, and what happened to TCs in period between 63-74 was nothing compared to 300 years of Ottoman rule. But when analyzing problems you got to choose a starting point, otherwise we would go all the way to Adam and Eve. The logical starting point for Cyprus problem for me in its current context would be 1960 when the two communities on the island were left alone to govern themselves, (or may be the preceding EOKA and TMT years as well if you want to get into how RoC is formed, but this is the limit).

the two peoples were not left to decide for themselves in 1960. they have yet to be allowed to do this.

so why start in 1960? no one said anything about adam and eve. just when the two communities began living togetehr from day 1.

i think that makes sense, non? rememebr "make sense" not "unsuit to satisfy your arguments"

[Kifeas]

I am wondering though, why Mr. Denktash did not get those people to file law suits against the government at that time and instead you undertook to handle the issue himself, since this was a purely legal matter? At least if law suits were filed at that time, the issue would have remained registered and there would be even up to this day an official hold on these properties in the Land registry records, until the issue would/will be settled.

File a lawsuit where, to GC dominated court system.

Sorry to say so but I find this argument ....

[Kifeas]

I am wondering though, why Mr. Denktash did not get those people to file law suits against the government at that time and instead you undertook to handle the issue himself, since this was a purely legal matter? At least if law suits were filed at that time, the issue would have remained registered and there would be even up to this day an official hold on these properties in the Land registry records, until the issue would/will be settled.

The point of this story is it highlights the reality of what it meant to a TC to live in a unifed Cypriot state numericaly dominated by GC. You are saying why did we not go to the courts, yet Makarios himself had rejected the ruling of the Supreme Court in Cyprus on the issue of municipalites leading to the resogonation of the indpedent Supreme Court Judge. We did not go the courts because the reality was there was no justice for TC in Cypriot courts in a state controlled and run and dominated by GC.

Is it because the state and the courts were dominated by GCs per se, that there were cases of injustice or mistreatment against TCs, or because there were severe political disputes between the two communities which inevitably but also wrongfully, were carried away into matters affecting individual TCs? Has there never been even one single TC who had won a case into a “GC dominated” court?

[erolz]

Has there never been even one single TC who had won a case into a “GC dominated” court?

This is not the right question (in context of the thread and your post). The real quaetion is did TC at this time believe they could or would get fair justice in 'Cypriot' courts at this time. If they did not believe they would - a very reasonable assumption in my opinion - then that answers your question 'why did these people not go to the courts'. It does not really matter if they were right or wrong in their beleiefs in understanding why they did not go to the courts. To understand why they did not you only have to know what they believed to be the case.

[turkcyp]

deleted by the author...