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[turkcyp]

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[Kifeas]

Sorry to say so but I find this argument ....

You are missing the point. I was trying to show the irony.

Because according to your constitution that you should abide by it, every TC and GC dispute should be taken to a court of both TC and GC judge. That kind of courts did not exist after 1963, so you are being very ironic when you say why did not they try to seek legality in an illegal court(illegal because no TC judge).

I know what point you tried to make. That is why I replied in the way I replied. In essence though, it is like saying that these people decided to risk loosing their property rights or their money, just to serve a political agenda, which was to prove the illegality of the RoC courts after 1963 and the need to have separate and parallel TC courts. It is indeed ironic.

Of course I am not expecting you to administer any, even a small part of the blame to the TC leadership.

[turkcyp]

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[magikthrill]

Is this what you really want? This cycle to continue forever. If that is your wish you can do like Piratis and wait till power again shifts tides toward your way, and get you want and then this time we start waiting for that tide again, and the cycle continues until one of us is completely destroyed on the island.

no i never said this is what i wanted. what i tried to point out from my post is that you cannot say that 1960 was a fresh agreement. as eloquently put by O'Malle and Graig 1960 was a sham independence. The GCs wanted enosis and the TCs in turn wanted partition. The two communities were not ready to live together since their interests collided.

Generally, I don't like speaking about history cause no matter how you put it Turkey is shown to be more at fault than any other party involved but this is not necessarily the case.

[MicAtCyp]

The main point of the post, that yo have missed the
catch, was that human rights violations started way
before 1974. (property issue being on of them, as well
as right to vote, right to have freedom of speech, which
are all violated by the GCs before 1974).

Who invented the policy "from Turk to a Turk"? The Gcs???

By the way I think Denktash is not telling the whole truth. The procedure to buy immovable property in NOT as described by Denktash.You don't make agreement, then pay, then go to the Lands Dept and transfer ownership. The procedure is that the agreement itself passes through some departments gets stapmed/authorised etc and then FILED at the Lands Dept. The lands dept does NOT file multiple agreements e.g mortages on a property unless all concerned parties sign acceptance. Payment occurs after that....

[MicAtCyp]

I would assume that these people did not think that they would get a fair trial from a GC judge and therefore did not apply to the courts. After all if TCs had thought that they would get a fair trial from a GC judge then there would be no point of specifying in the constitution that a TC-GC dispute would need both TC/GC judge. Let alone if the defendant is RoC’s ministry of interior.

I find this accusation TOTALLY groundless. The judicial system in Cyprus was the only part of Government that remained ALWAYS impartial and fair. If you can point me just one case that a TC lost a trial on grounds of ethnic discrimination then I will accept your hypothesis.The fact is there was none.
Once a case was brought to court the trials were always fair.
And by the way no judge would ever risk his good name. Whith such crystal clear evidences like the one you described that money were paid, aggreement was signed, even the most stupid lawyer could tie the judge in knots....

[Main_Source]

Very good Mete, here we have more of the same rhetoric that GC started all the trouble (or human rights violations) because you conveniently choose the date of 1960.

Well what are you saying? Anything before 1960 is prehistoric or ancient? So is it ridiculous to take into account the human rights of the two GC who were murdered in the TC village of Gunyeli in 1958? or how about the human rights of the young GC teenagers who were harrassed and picked by TC policeman in the mid 50's, with no evidence of wrong doing, and subsequently tortured into giving any kind of information on EOKA?

To just pick a convenient point in time out of mid air and say this is the point where we have to judge who started what is just f*****g stupid. History builds on history and to dismiss things that happend before 1960 is just another example of selective history.

When are you going to admit that the country who rules your pseudo state has abused a lot more human rights then the GC ever did....and guess what, they are in strong allegience with Israel, who broke more human rights laws then even Iraq under Saddam.

I dont see the point in saying who started what...its pointless...but if you want to go down that road, dont be so blind in the future.

[Murtaza]

and guess what, they are in strong allegience with Israel, who broke more human rights laws then even Iraq under Saddam...

Main this is a little weird.
Russia?

[Main_Source]

did they? and even if they did...so what? Just because Cyprus and Russia share the same major religion, I dont think they have a strong political bond...I wouldn't say Cyprus and Russia is as 'tight' as Turkey and Israel.

[Murtaza]

did they? and even if they did...so what? Just because Cyprus and Russia share the same major religion, I dont think they have a strong political bond...I wouldn't say Cyprus and Russia is as 'tight' as Turkey and Israel.

is It much important who allied with who?All of us know, If they need, both greece and turkey will want a strong political bond with satan.