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Britis MP: Treaty of Guarantee is an anachronism!

Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:41 am

British MP: Treaty of Guarantee is an anachronism

By Kyriakos Tsioupras
London, Feb 9 (CNA) – The Republic of Cyprus is an independent state and
there is no need for any foreign troops to remain on the island, British
Labour MP for Hendon Andrew Dismore has said, adding that the 1960 Treaty of
Guarantee is an anachronism.
Dismore was speaking last Friday at a meeting of the Association of Cypriot,
Greek and Turkish Affairs on the conclusions of a visit to the island by a
Friends of Cyprus delegation at the end November, last year.
Andrew Dismore, who is vice chairman of the Friends of Cyprus, said that
Britain should be supporting efforts for a settlement without getting into
the details, like it did in relation to the Annan plan (a UN solution plan,
rejected by the Greek Cypriots and approved by the Turkish Cypriots).
He added that Britain should encourage confidence building measures and
should also be prepared to offer part of its Sovereign Base Area land at the
appropriate time, in relation to the effort for a solution. Britain has
retained two military bases on the island when it granted Cyprus its
independence in 1960.
“Cyprus is an independent state and there is no need for any foreign troops
on its land” he stated.
Progress as a whole at the talks remains slow, he noted, but it is
encouraging that both sides - the Greek Cypriot and the Turkish Cypriot
communities - express confidence that results can be achieved.
He said it is positive that there are no artificial deadlines. However he
pointed out the danger of events catching up with them with “elections” in
April and the so-called presidential elections at the beginning of 2010 in
the northern Turkish occupied part of Cyprus.
The British MP called on both sides to show flexibility in the process.
“One should never say ‘this is the last chance’ but one should also
recognize that a future effort will start from a worse position. And if
there is a referendum, the choice will not be this plan or something else.
The choice will be this plan or partition” he concluded.
The leaders of the two communities in Cyprus, President Demetris Christofias
and Mehmet Ali Talat, have been engaged in talks since September last year
with a view to finding a mutually acceptable negotiated settlement, which
will reunite the country, divided since the 1974 Turkish invasion.
The Treaty of Guarantee, agreed between Cyprus, Britain, Greece and Turkey,
says that Britain, Greece and Turkey "guarantee the independence,
territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus and also the
state of affairs established by the Basic Articles of its Constitution".

CNA/KT/EMA/MM/2009
ENDS, CYPRUS NEWS AGENCY


British MP Andrew Dismore is spot on but he unfortunately neglected to mention that all Guarantor Powers (Turkey, UK and Greece) have breached this treaty thus making it null and void as they are obligated to GUARANTEE Cyprus territorial integrity and sovereignty.
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Postby Kuruovali » Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:48 pm

If there was ever a pointless thread it's this one. We already know the purpose and the need to maintain the treaty. It provides the TC's with the level of security/freedom that no other country/body/organisation in the world can provide.

As far as I'm concerned the UN are in Cyprus on one big jolly. They serve no material purpose whatsoever and if the UN wanted to trim some of their budget they should look to pulling their resources out of Cyprus.

TC's have not only been living without fear since the Turkish intervention but have also regained their freedom and this has been won/guaranteed by the presence of the 30k Turkish troops. The TC's know this very well. I think it's high time that the rest of the world understand and accept this.

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Postby YFred » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:02 pm

Kuruovali wrote:If there was ever a pointless thread it's this one. We already know the purpose and the need to maintain the treaty. It provides the TC's with the level of security/freedom that no other country/body/organisation in the world can provide.

As far as I'm concerned the UN are in Cyprus on one big jolly. They serve no material purpose whatsoever and if the UN wanted to trim some of their budget they should look to pulling their resources out of Cyprus.

TC's have not only been living without fear since the Turkish intervention but have also regained their freedom and this has been won/guaranteed by the presence of the 30k Turkish troops. The TC's know this very well. I think it's high time that the rest of the world understand and accept this.

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What Greek Cypriots do not understand is simple contract law. When 4 people sign the contract, the only way to remove it is if all four agree with removing it.

Engine has been switched off and the ignition is with Turkey. How much simpler do we have to put it so even the Hellens can understand.

Just like UN. Once you pass some resolution no matter how wrong, Unless all 5 members agree, nothing can be done.
Sooner or later the UN is on route to the demise of the League of Nations. I hope its sooner.
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Postby bill cobbett » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:08 pm

Kuruovali wrote:If there was ever a pointless thread it's this one. We already know the purpose and the need to maintain the treaty. It provides the TC's with the level of security/freedom that no other country/body/organisation in the world can provide.

As far as I'm concerned the UN are in Cyprus on one big jolly. They serve no material purpose whatsoever and if the UN wanted to trim some of their budget they should look to pulling their resources out of Cyprus.

TC's have not only been living without fear since the Turkish intervention but have also regained their freedom and this has been won/guaranteed by the presence of the 30k Turkish troops. The TC's know this very well. I think it's high time that the rest of the world understand and accept this.

K


The treaty became null and void on the 20th July 1974 when the Jerkish Piss Operation started not to restore the Constitution as the Unholy Trinity of the Guarantor powers were obliged to do but with the over-riding aim of furthering Jerkish Expansion.

The only guarantee in this disgraced treaty was that it was guaranteed to feck all the Cys. Good riddance to it.
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Postby bill cobbett » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:16 pm

YFred wrote:
Kuruovali wrote:If there was ever a pointless thread it's this one. We already know the purpose and the need to maintain the treaty. It provides the TC's with the level of security/freedom that no other country/body/organisation in the world can provide.

As far as I'm concerned the UN are in Cyprus on one big jolly. They serve no material purpose whatsoever and if the UN wanted to trim some of their budget they should look to pulling their resources out of Cyprus.

TC's have not only been living without fear since the Turkish intervention but have also regained their freedom and this has been won/guaranteed by the presence of the 30k Turkish troops. The TC's know this very well. I think it's high time that the rest of the world understand and accept this.

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What Greek Cypriots do not understand is simple contract law. When 4 people sign the contract, the only way to remove it is if all four agree with removing it.
Engine has been switched off and the ignition is with Turkey. How much simpler do we have to put it so even the Hellens can understand.
Just like UN. Once you pass some resolution no matter how wrong, Unless all 5 members agree, nothing can be done.
Sooner or later the UN is on route to the demise of the League of Nations. I hope its sooner.


The Jerkish Army took that contract on the 20th July 1974 and unilaterally tore it into little pieces and shoved it up the bums of the thousands of Cys that it so barbarically murdered.

That makes it pretty null and void.
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:41 pm

YFred wrote:What Greek Cypriots do not understand is simple contract law. When 4 people sign the contract, the only way to remove it is if all four agree with removing it.

Engine has been switched off and the ignition is with Turkey. How much simpler do we have to put it so even the Hellens can understand.

Just like UN. Once you pass some resolution no matter how wrong, Unless all 5 members agree, nothing can be done.
Sooner or later the UN is on route to the demise of the League of Nations. I hope its sooner.

Graduates of the “university of life” must learn to keep their mouths shut unless they enjoy making complete dorks of themselves…

ATTILA 74: Turkish invasion or intervention?
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus20395.html

Is the 1959 "Treaty of Guarantee" valid?
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus21279.html
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Postby YFred » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:51 pm

Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:What Greek Cypriots do not understand is simple contract law. When 4 people sign the contract, the only way to remove it is if all four agree with removing it.

Engine has been switched off and the ignition is with Turkey. How much simpler do we have to put it so even the Hellens can understand.

Just like UN. Once you pass some resolution no matter how wrong, Unless all 5 members agree, nothing can be done.
Sooner or later the UN is on route to the demise of the League of Nations. I hope its sooner.

Graduates of the “university of life” must learn to keep their mouths shut unless they enjoy making complete dorks of themselves…

ATTILA 74: Turkish invasion or intervention?
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus20395.html

Is the 1959 "Treaty of Guarantee" valid?
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus21279.html


You are so stupid. You just don't get it. There is only and only 2 ways to break that treaty.

1. TURKEY AND THE TURKISH CYPRIOTS AGREE :shocked:
2. at the end of the barell of a gun. :2guns:

Which one do you prefer.
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:39 pm

YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:What Greek Cypriots do not understand is simple contract law. When 4 people sign the contract, the only way to remove it is if all four agree with removing it.

Engine has been switched off and the ignition is with Turkey. How much simpler do we have to put it so even the Hellens can understand.

Just like UN. Once you pass some resolution no matter how wrong, Unless all 5 members agree, nothing can be done.
Sooner or later the UN is on route to the demise of the League of Nations. I hope its sooner.

Graduates of the “university of life” must learn to keep their mouths shut unless they enjoy making complete dorks of themselves…

ATTILA 74: Turkish invasion or intervention?
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus20395.html

Is the 1959 "Treaty of Guarantee" valid?
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus21279.html


You are so stupid. You just don't get it. There is only and only 2 ways to break that treaty.

1. TURKEY AND THE TURKISH CYPRIOTS AGREE :shocked:
2. at the end of the barell of a gun. :2guns:

Which one do you prefer.

GET OFF the CyProb bozo!
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Postby paliometoxo » Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:46 pm

YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:What Greek Cypriots do not understand is simple contract law. When 4 people sign the contract, the only way to remove it is if all four agree with removing it.

Engine has been switched off and the ignition is with Turkey. How much simpler do we have to put it so even the Hellens can understand.

Just like UN. Once you pass some resolution no matter how wrong, Unless all 5 members agree, nothing can be done.
Sooner or later the UN is on route to the demise of the League of Nations. I hope its sooner.

Graduates of the “university of life” must learn to keep their mouths shut unless they enjoy making complete dorks of themselves…

ATTILA 74: Turkish invasion or intervention?
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus20395.html

Is the 1959 "Treaty of Guarantee" valid?
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus21279.html


You are so stupid. You just don't get it. There is only and only 2 ways to break that treaty.

1. TURKEY AND THE TURKISH CYPRIOTS AGREE :shocked:
2. at the end of the barell of a gun. :2guns:

Which one do you prefer.


the north cy is so full of settlers now that they have more voting power in the north as talat describes them as cypriotised..

so its what turkey and turkey wants, the tcs have no say in the matter

again a minority in their own "state"
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Postby YFred » Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:39 pm

paliometoxo wrote:
YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:What Greek Cypriots do not understand is simple contract law. When 4 people sign the contract, the only way to remove it is if all four agree with removing it.

Engine has been switched off and the ignition is with Turkey. How much simpler do we have to put it so even the Hellens can understand.

Just like UN. Once you pass some resolution no matter how wrong, Unless all 5 members agree, nothing can be done.
Sooner or later the UN is on route to the demise of the League of Nations. I hope its sooner.

Graduates of the “university of life” must learn to keep their mouths shut unless they enjoy making complete dorks of themselves…

ATTILA 74: Turkish invasion or intervention?
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus20395.html

Is the 1959 "Treaty of Guarantee" valid?
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus21279.html


You are so stupid. You just don't get it. There is only and only 2 ways to break that treaty.

1. TURKEY AND THE TURKISH CYPRIOTS AGREE :shocked:
2. at the end of the barell of a gun. :2guns:

Which one do you prefer.


the north cy is so full of settlers now that they have more voting power in the north as talat describes them as cypriotised..

so its what turkey and turkey wants, the tcs have no say in the matter

again a minority in their own "state"


Yes and No.

There is very few MPs who are from Turkey. So Talats word does count.
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