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[insan]

RichardB wrote

I dont think even the most vociferous of TCs would argue that without the financial aid from turkry the 'trnc' would be able to survive whereas the ROC has proved that it cannot only survive but also prosperas a stand alone nation.So please forgive me if I say i find it hard to believe that the talat leadership is anything but a puppet of turkey doing Turkeys bidding

Insan replied

No problem RichardB, from a factual view point u could easily see that it's impossible to survive without recognition at least as a TC government if not possible as TRNC. In this case of course TCs need financial support from Turkey but this has never meant "I give ur cash so that I'm the boss u r the puppet." TRNC politicians have limited contact with international institutions, governments, politicians etc due to being unrecognized. In this case, it is again factual for Turkey to represent TCs at those international areas...

So I was right then? A 'state' governed by Turkey with only Turkish representation without a care for what the ordinary TC in the street wants being used by the Turkish government to place all the persons it does not want in Turkey therefore changing the demographics of an area without a cuss for internationallaw

Many thanks for the clarification

U intentionally attempted to distort what i said, even though it is too clear to understand what i said.

[RichardB]

RichardB wrote

I dont think even the most vociferous of TCs would argue that without the financial aid from turkry the 'trnc' would be able to survive whereas the ROC has proved that it cannot only survive but also prosperas a stand alone nation.So please forgive me if I say i find it hard to believe that the talat leadership is anything but a puppet of turkey doing Turkeys bidding

Insan replied

No problem RichardB, from a factual view point u could easily see that it's impossible to survive without recognition at least as a TC government if not possible as TRNC. In this case of course TCs need financial support from Turkey but this has never meant "I give ur cash so that I'm the boss u r the puppet." TRNC politicians have limited contact with international institutions, governments, politicians etc due to being unrecognized. In this case, it is again factual for Turkey to represent TCs at those international areas...

So I was right then? A 'state' governed by Turkey with only Turkish representation without a care for what the ordinary TC in the street wants being used by the Turkish government to place all the persons it does not want in Turkey therefore changing the demographics of an area without a cuss for internationallaw

Many thanks for the clarification

U intentionally attempted to distort what i said, even though it is too clear to understand what i said.

If the Tc politicians were to take up the seats available to them in Parliment as well as the position of Vice president then they would have access to the international stage without resorting to Turkeys bidding

[insan]

RichardB wrote

I dont think even the most vociferous of TCs would argue that without the financial aid from turkry the 'trnc' would be able to survive whereas the ROC has proved that it cannot only survive but also prosperas a stand alone nation.So please forgive me if I say i find it hard to believe that the talat leadership is anything but a puppet of turkey doing Turkeys bidding

Insan replied

No problem RichardB, from a factual view point u could easily see that it's impossible to survive without recognition at least as a TC government if not possible as TRNC. In this case of course TCs need financial support from Turkey but this has never meant "I give ur cash so that I'm the boss u r the puppet." TRNC politicians have limited contact with international institutions, governments, politicians etc due to being unrecognized. In this case, it is again factual for Turkey to represent TCs at those international areas...

So I was right then? A 'state' governed by Turkey with only Turkish representation without a care for what the ordinary TC in the street wants being used by the Turkish government to place all the persons it does not want in Turkey therefore changing the demographics of an area without a cuss for internationallaw

Many thanks for the clarification

U intentionally attempted to distort what i said, even though it is too clear to understand what i said.

If the Tc politicians were to take up the seats available to them in Parliment as well as the position of Vice president then they would have access to the international stage without resorting to Turkeys bidding

Hi RichardB,

I'm not sure abt whether u r aware of that the essence of the struggle between TC community and GC community is "Self Determination Right" VS "Political equality of 2 communities". It was and is too obvious that unless TC leadership accepts the minority status GC leadership wouldn't/won't let TC politicians to return their seats in the parliament. What's ur opinion?

[RichardB]

RichardB wrote

I dont think even the most vociferous of TCs would argue that without the financial aid from turkry the 'trnc' would be able to survive whereas the ROC has proved that it cannot only survive but also prosperas a stand alone nation.So please forgive me if I say i find it hard to believe that the talat leadership is anything but a puppet of turkey doing Turkeys bidding

Insan replied

No problem RichardB, from a factual view point u could easily see that it's impossible to survive without recognition at least as a TC government if not possible as TRNC. In this case of course TCs need financial support from Turkey but this has never meant "I give ur cash so that I'm the boss u r the puppet." TRNC politicians have limited contact with international institutions, governments, politicians etc due to being unrecognized. In this case, it is again factual for Turkey to represent TCs at those international areas...

So I was right then? A 'state' governed by Turkey with only Turkish representation without a care for what the ordinary TC in the street wants being used by the Turkish government to place all the persons it does not want in Turkey therefore changing the demographics of an area without a cuss for internationallaw

Many thanks for the clarification

U intentionally attempted to distort what i said, even though it is too clear to understand what i said.

If the Tc politicians were to take up the seats available to them in Parliment as well as the position of Vice president then they would have access to the international stage without resorting to Turkeys bidding

Hi RichardB,

I'm not sure abt whether u r aware of that the essence of the struggle between TC community and GC community is "Self Determination Right" VS "Political equality of 2 communities". It was and is too obvious that unless TC leadership accepts the minority status GC leadership wouldn't/won't let TC politicians to return their seats in the parliament. What's ur opinion?

Hi insan

we seem to have taken over this thread

i am well aware of the political situation that exists in Cyprus

In my opinion political equality equals one 'man' one vote

It is a fact that the TCs are a minority in Cyprus just as the various Asian and Afro-Caribbean groups are in the UK who only get one vote per person. i cannot see any reason why a united Cyprus cannot exist on this principle.

I have read and listened to the views and fears of VP ,Zan ,Halil and many others of the TC community over the last few years.But what was in the past 30-40 years ago is not applicable today and these fears in my opinion are not justified today.

Cyprus is a member of the EU and as such is under observation by this community and also comes under the regulations of the law as laid down by the EU so the fears of the past should not now be an issue.

Why should a minority group receive special treatment within a country? This is not acceptable in a democracy,

One man One vote in a united Cyprus

[YFred]

You obviously do not understand the cyprus problem.

There is an interesting news item in UK about a child who went to the dentist for a loose milk teeth extraction, and died some 27 days later. Cause of death not an infection!

If you read that, and spend another 10 years studying cyprus, you may begin to understand the real problems of Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

RichardB wrote

I dont think even the most vociferous of TCs would argue that without the financial aid from turkry the 'trnc' would be able to survive whereas the ROC has proved that it cannot only survive but also prosperas a stand alone nation.So please forgive me if I say i find it hard to believe that the talat leadership is anything but a puppet of turkey doing Turkeys bidding

Insan replied

No problem RichardB, from a factual view point u could easily see that it's impossible to survive without recognition at least as a TC government if not possible as TRNC. In this case of course TCs need financial support from Turkey but this has never meant "I give ur cash so that I'm the boss u r the puppet." TRNC politicians have limited contact with international institutions, governments, politicians etc due to being unrecognized. In this case, it is again factual for Turkey to represent TCs at those international areas...

So I was right then? A 'state' governed by Turkey with only Turkish representation without a care for what the ordinary TC in the street wants being used by the Turkish government to place all the persons it does not want in Turkey therefore changing the demographics of an area without a cuss for internationallaw

Many thanks for the clarification

U intentionally attempted to distort what i said, even though it is too clear to understand what i said.

If the Tc politicians were to take up the seats available to them in Parliment as well as the position of Vice president then they would have access to the international stage without resorting to Turkeys bidding

Hi RichardB,

I'm not sure abt whether u r aware of that the essence of the struggle between TC community and GC community is "Self Determination Right" VS "Political equality of 2 communities". It was and is too obvious that unless TC leadership accepts the minority status GC leadership wouldn't/won't let TC politicians to return their seats in the parliament. What's ur opinion?

Hi insan

we seem to have taken over this thread

i am well aware of the political situation that exists in Cyprus

In my opinion political equality equals one 'man' one vote

It is a fact that the TCs are a minority in Cyprus just as the various Asian and Afro-Caribbean groups are in the UK who only get one vote per person. i cannot see any reason why a united Cyprus cannot exist on this principle.

I have read and listened to the views and fears of VP ,Zan ,Halil and many others of the TC community over the last few years.But what was in the past 30-40 years ago is not applicable today and these fears in my opinion are not justified today.

Cyprus is a member of the EU and as such is under observation by this community and also comes under the regulations of the law as laid down by the EU so the fears of the past should not now be an issue.

Why should a minority group receive special treatment within a country? This is not acceptable in a democracy,

One man One vote in a united Cyprus

You may be willing to take that leap of faith but many TCs are not and askfor safeguards to guatantee our effective say in our own future, we have established that TCs do not want to live in a GC state run by GCs.

[insan]

RichardB wrote

I dont think even the most vociferous of TCs would argue that without the financial aid from turkry the 'trnc' would be able to survive whereas the ROC has proved that it cannot only survive but also prosperas a stand alone nation.So please forgive me if I say i find it hard to believe that the talat leadership is anything but a puppet of turkey doing Turkeys bidding

Insan replied

No problem RichardB, from a factual view point u could easily see that it's impossible to survive without recognition at least as a TC government if not possible as TRNC. In this case of course TCs need financial support from Turkey but this has never meant "I give ur cash so that I'm the boss u r the puppet." TRNC politicians have limited contact with international institutions, governments, politicians etc due to being unrecognized. In this case, it is again factual for Turkey to represent TCs at those international areas...

So I was right then? A 'state' governed by Turkey with only Turkish representation without a care for what the ordinary TC in the street wants being used by the Turkish government to place all the persons it does not want in Turkey therefore changing the demographics of an area without a cuss for internationallaw

Many thanks for the clarification

U intentionally attempted to distort what i said, even though it is too clear to understand what i said.

If the Tc politicians were to take up the seats available to them in Parliment as well as the position of Vice president then they would have access to the international stage without resorting to Turkeys bidding

Hi RichardB,

I'm not sure abt whether u r aware of that the essence of the struggle between TC community and GC community is "Self Determination Right" VS "Political equality of 2 communities". It was and is too obvious that unless TC leadership accepts the minority status GC leadership wouldn't/won't let TC politicians to return their seats in the parliament. What's ur opinion?

Hi insan

we seem to have taken over this thread

i am well aware of the political situation that exists in Cyprus

In my opinion political equality equals one 'man' one vote

It is a fact that the TCs are a minority in Cyprus just as the various Asian and Afro-Caribbean groups are in the UK who only get one vote per person. i cannot see any reason why a united Cyprus cannot exist on this principle.

I have read and listened to the views and fears of VP ,Zan ,Halil and many others of the TC community over the last few years.But what was in the past 30-40 years ago is not applicable today and these fears in my opinion are not justified today.

Cyprus is a member of the EU and as such is under observation by this community and also comes under the regulations of the law as laid down by the EU so the fears of the past should not now be an issue.

Why should a minority group receive special treatment within a country? This is not acceptable in a democracy,

One man One vote in a united Cyprus

On 11 October 1991, the Security Council adopted resolution 716 in which it reaffirmed its position that the solution to the Cyprus problem needs to be based on one state of Cyprus comprising two politically equal communities and the need for the establishment of a new constitutional arrangement for Cyprus that will ensure the well-being and security of the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot communities in a bi-communal and bi-zonal federation.

On 31 March 2004, the UN proposed a comprehensive settlement plan for Cyprus which foresaw the establishment of a new bi-zonal partnership (Main Articles iv) based on the acknowledgement of each side of the other’s distinct identity and integrity and the fact that their relationship is not one of majority and minority but of political equality where neither side may claim authority or jurisdiction over the other.

RichardB, is "political equality" of 2 communities something detrimental for ur national interests and national cause?

[RichardB]

You obviously do not understand the cyprus problem.

There is an interesting news item in UK about a child who went to the dentist for a loose milk teeth extraction, and died some 27 days later. Cause of death not an infection!

If you read that, and spend another 10 years studying cyprus, you may begin to understand the real problems of Cyprus.

This is from the man who is rapidly becoming the laughing stock of the forum

[RichardB]

RichardB wrote

I dont think even the most vociferous of TCs would argue that without the financial aid from turkry the 'trnc' would be able to survive whereas the ROC has proved that it cannot only survive but also prosperas a stand alone nation.So please forgive me if I say i find it hard to believe that the talat leadership is anything but a puppet of turkey doing Turkeys bidding

Insan replied

No problem RichardB, from a factual view point u could easily see that it's impossible to survive without recognition at least as a TC government if not possible as TRNC. In this case of course TCs need financial support from Turkey but this has never meant "I give ur cash so that I'm the boss u r the puppet." TRNC politicians have limited contact with international institutions, governments, politicians etc due to being unrecognized. In this case, it is again factual for Turkey to represent TCs at those international areas...

So I was right then? A 'state' governed by Turkey with only Turkish representation without a care for what the ordinary TC in the street wants being used by the Turkish government to place all the persons it does not want in Turkey therefore changing the demographics of an area without a cuss for internationallaw

Many thanks for the clarification

U intentionally attempted to distort what i said, even though it is too clear to understand what i said.

If the Tc politicians were to take up the seats available to them in Parliment as well as the position of Vice president then they would have access to the international stage without resorting to Turkeys bidding

Hi RichardB,

I'm not sure abt whether u r aware of that the essence of the struggle between TC community and GC community is "Self Determination Right" VS "Political equality of 2 communities". It was and is too obvious that unless TC leadership accepts the minority status GC leadership wouldn't/won't let TC politicians to return their seats in the parliament. What's ur opinion?

Hi insan

we seem to have taken over this thread

i am well aware of the political situation that exists in Cyprus

In my opinion political equality equals one 'man' one vote

It is a fact that the TCs are a minority in Cyprus just as the various Asian and Afro-Caribbean groups are in the UK who only get one vote per person. i cannot see any reason why a united Cyprus cannot exist on this principle.

I have read and listened to the views and fears of VP ,Zan ,Halil and many others of the TC community over the last few years.But what was in the past 30-40 years ago is not applicable today and these fears in my opinion are not justified today.

Cyprus is a member of the EU and as such is under observation by this community and also comes under the regulations of the law as laid down by the EU so the fears of the past should not now be an issue.

Why should a minority group receive special treatment within a country? This is not acceptable in a democracy,

One man One vote in a united Cyprus

You may be willing to take that leap of faith but many TCs are not and ask for safeguards to guatantee our effective say in our own future, we have established that TCs do not want to live in a GC state run by GCs.

Good evening VP

Obviously you have your concerns re safeguards within any future constitution but if the citizens of Cyprus for one acted as Cypriots instead of Turks and Greeks Then there would not be a GC state but a state of Cypriots soin effect the minority issue would not be an issue at all

[RichardB]

insan wriote

RichardB, is "political equality" of 2 communities something detrimental for ur national interests and national cause?

No insan political equality is in no way detrimental to a national cause but political inequality wherein one part of the community gets more than its fair share of equality certainly is.

Any way mate been good debating tonight ..Up early in the morning so i'll say goodnight

regards

Richard