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[Piratis]

Those countries were created long before the UN and before International Law, at a time when slavery and other nasty things were all "legal". So what doesn't hold water is your lame excuse, because in fact the UN does not and will not recognize any "state" created by means of foreign invasion and ethnic cleansing.

Piratis,

So I guess that what you're saying is that as long as the invading/colonizing/ethnic cleansing thing was done BEFORE a certain date, then it is perfectly all right...

What I am saying my friend is that the world progresses. At some point we said "No more slavery". Does this mean that slavery that was going on before was "perfectly all right"? Does this mean that Turks can today start a slave market and say "Hey, this was going on before as well" ??

You'd better stop drinking decaffeinated coffee and realize that this type of thing continues to this day in other parts of the world, and it is basically tolerated on a tacit level. Oh, you'll hear a few empty words of protest, and a few symbolic sanctions which don't much interfere with the business of the day, but that's about it. Why should the Cyprus situation be any different? With the world as messed up as it is now, it's not going to matter much in the grand scale of things...

Yes utu, many crimes are committed, and many times the criminals get away with their crimes. So what? If somebody committed a crime against you, would you not seek justice, because some criminals get away with crimes?

Also, you didn't tell me of an example since the establishment of the UN, that a country was created by means of foreign invasion and ethnic cleansing. Do you have any such example from anywhere in the world?

[utu]

Also, you didn't tell me of an example since the establishment of the UN, that a country was created by means of foreign invasion and ethnic cleansing. Do you have any such example from anywhere in the world?

Recent examples are Republika Sprska (Bosnian territory invaded by Serbia and de-nuded of non-Serbs), South Ossetia and Abkhazia (Georgia invaded by Russia and denuded of Georgians).

[Piratis]

Also, you didn't tell me of an example since the establishment of the UN, that a country was created by means of foreign invasion and ethnic cleansing. Do you have any such example from anywhere in the world?

Recent examples are Republika Sprska (Bosnian territory invaded by Serbia and de-nuded of non-Serbs), South Ossetia and Abkhazia (Georgia invaded by Russia and denuded of Georgians).

And was any of the above recognized by the UN?

[Oracle]

[Because Hellenes have had better politicians, diplomats, propagandists, lobbyists and communication with "them"? Because Hellenes allied it's anti-Turkish power(lobbying) with all other anti-Turks(Armenian and Kurdish lobby). I'm sure it's not about agitated and exagerrated propaganda. I'm sure international community has the ability to discern truths with propaganda. Do TC and Turkish lobbyist not adequately talented/powerful to convince international community that it's not fair to recognise GC administration as the only legitimate government of Cyprus?

Insan you are a delusional hysterical harlot!

The reason why the GCs are in favour, is simply because they are on the side of RIGHT ... so we do not need to spend on propaganda .....

We have what you envy ... for free!

[miltiades]

[Because Hellenes have had better politicians, diplomats, propagandists, lobbyists and communication with "them"? Because Hellenes allied it's anti-Turkish power(lobbying) with all other anti-Turks(Armenian and Kurdish lobby). I'm sure it's not about agitated and exagerrated propaganda. I'm sure international community has the ability to discern truths with propaganda. Do TC and Turkish lobbyist not adequately talented/powerful to convince international community that it's not fair to recognise GC administration as the only legitimate government of Cyprus?

Insan you are a delusional hysterical harlot!

The reason why the GCs are in favour, is simply because they are on the side of RIGHT ... so we do not need to spend on propaganda .....

We have what you envy ... for free!

Insan , are you realy suggesting that the Northern part of Cyprus with some 40 or so thousand FOREIGN troops plus a couple of hundred of thousand settlers , should be viewed by the International community as another legitimate entity in Cyprus . It wont happen mate , why ? because such "recognition" would herald the permanent partition of our island , yours and mine .

[Oracle]

[Because Hellenes have had better politicians, diplomats, propagandists, lobbyists and communication with "them"? Because Hellenes allied it's anti-Turkish power(lobbying) with all other anti-Turks(Armenian and Kurdish lobby). I'm sure it's not about agitated and exagerrated propaganda. I'm sure international community has the ability to discern truths with propaganda. Do TC and Turkish lobbyist not adequately talented/powerful to convince international community that it's not fair to recognise GC administration as the only legitimate government of Cyprus?

Insan you are a delusional hysterical harlot!

The reason why the GCs are in favour, is simply because they are on the side of RIGHT ... so we do not need to spend on propaganda .....

We have what you envy ... for free!

Insan , are you realy suggesting that the Northern part of Cyprus with some 40 or so thousand FOREIGN troops plus a couple of hundred of thousand settlers , should be viewed by the International community as another legitimate entity in Cyprus . It wont happen mate , why ? because such "recognition" would herald the permanent partition of our island , yours and mine .

Miltiades ... I love how you wrap me in your arms, recently, and agree with me, effectively, but without acknowledging so

[insan]

[Because Hellenes have had better politicians, diplomats, propagandists, lobbyists and communication with "them"? Because Hellenes allied it's anti-Turkish power(lobbying) with all other anti-Turks(Armenian and Kurdish lobby). I'm sure it's not about agitated and exagerrated propaganda. I'm sure international community has the ability to discern truths with propaganda. Do TC and Turkish lobbyist not adequately talented/powerful to convince international community that it's not fair to recognise GC administration as the only legitimate government of Cyprus?

Insan you are a delusional hysterical harlot!

The reason why the GCs are in favour, is simply because they are on the side of RIGHT ... so we do not need to spend on propaganda .....

We have what you envy ... for free!

Oracle, U r just a fascist Grandma Grivas, like self-satisfaction a lot. Whatch next, the huge disapointment for u is on the way coming. Nothing lasts forever fascist Grandma Oracle Grivas The days u will beg for consociational partnership is soon but will be too late.

[insan]

[Because Hellenes have had better politicians, diplomats, propagandists, lobbyists and communication with "them"? Because Hellenes allied it's anti-Turkish power(lobbying) with all other anti-Turks(Armenian and Kurdish lobby). I'm sure it's not about agitated and exagerrated propaganda. I'm sure international community has the ability to discern truths with propaganda. Do TC and Turkish lobbyist not adequately talented/powerful to convince international community that it's not fair to recognise GC administration as the only legitimate government of Cyprus?

Insan you are a delusional hysterical harlot!

The reason why the GCs are in favour, is simply because they are on the side of RIGHT ... so we do not need to spend on propaganda .....

We have what you envy ... for free!

Insan , are you realy suggesting that the Northern part of Cyprus with some 40 or so thousand FOREIGN troops plus a couple of hundred of thousand settlers , should be viewed by the International community as another legitimate entity in Cyprus . It wont happen mate , why ? because such "recognition" would herald the permanent partition of our island , yours and mine .

Nothing lasts forever, Miltiades. It is obvious that neither u will give up ur self-determination right nor will we. We proposed u a common consociational self-determination right of 2 communities but u didn't accept. This is the end of story between u and us. As for the settlers and Turkish troops, it's our problem not urs.

[Oracle]

[Because Hellenes have had better politicians, diplomats, propagandists, lobbyists and communication with "them"? Because Hellenes allied it's anti-Turkish power(lobbying) with all other anti-Turks(Armenian and Kurdish lobby). I'm sure it's not about agitated and exagerrated propaganda. I'm sure international community has the ability to discern truths with propaganda. Do TC and Turkish lobbyist not adequately talented/powerful to convince international community that it's not fair to recognise GC administration as the only legitimate government of Cyprus?

Insan you are a delusional hysterical harlot!

The reason why the GCs are in favour, is simply because they are on the side of RIGHT ... so we do not need to spend on propaganda .....

We have what you envy ... for free!

Insan , are you realy suggesting that the Northern part of Cyprus with some 40 or so thousand FOREIGN troops plus a couple of hundred of thousand settlers , should be viewed by the International community as another legitimate entity in Cyprus . It wont happen mate , why ? because such "recognition" would herald the permanent partition of our island , yours and mine .

Nothing lasts forever, Miltiades. It is obvious that neither u will give up ur self-determination right nor will we. We proposed u a common consociational self-determination right of 2 communities but u didn't accept. This is the end of story between u and us. As for the settlers and Turkish troops, it's our problem not urs.

The "grandpa" has put his teeth back in ...

Insan, your fantasy world is one thing and reality is a totally different thing dear.

It's not what you wish, but what is fair and right ... and you are unfair and wrong!

Don't dismiss us from our own country, you have come from afar ... we have always been here, and seen everyone else off

[insan]

[Because Hellenes have had better politicians, diplomats, propagandists, lobbyists and communication with "them"? Because Hellenes allied it's anti-Turkish power(lobbying) with all other anti-Turks(Armenian and Kurdish lobby). I'm sure it's not about agitated and exagerrated propaganda. I'm sure international community has the ability to discern truths with propaganda. Do TC and Turkish lobbyist not adequately talented/powerful to convince international community that it's not fair to recognise GC administration as the only legitimate government of Cyprus?

Insan you are a delusional hysterical harlot!

The reason why the GCs are in favour, is simply because they are on the side of RIGHT ... so we do not need to spend on propaganda .....

We have what you envy ... for free!

Insan , are you realy suggesting that the Northern part of Cyprus with some 40 or so thousand FOREIGN troops plus a couple of hundred of thousand settlers , should be viewed by the International community as another legitimate entity in Cyprus . It wont happen mate , why ? because such "recognition" would herald the permanent partition of our island , yours and mine .

Nothing lasts forever, Miltiades. It is obvious that neither u will give up ur self-determination right nor will we. We proposed u a common consociational self-determination right of 2 communities but u didn't accept. This is the end of story between u and us. As for the settlers and Turkish troops, it's our problem not urs.

The "grandpa" has put his teeth back in ...

Insan, your fantasy world is one thing and reality is a totally different thing dear.

It's not what you wish, but what is fair and right ... and you are unfair and wrong!

Don't dismiss us from our own country, you have come from afar ... we have always been here, and seen everyone else off

Oracle, it is obvious that; it's u that living in a fantasy world. Listen what ur elected president says and compare it with what u say. Got it?