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A bridge of friendship between Turkey and Greece.

Postby insan » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:59 am

What if? Sometimes I look back and think had been no Makarios and enosis (union with Greece), this island would have been much better. Had the killings not started in 1963 and we had just struggled through the courts, Cyprus would not have this bloodbath between us and there would not have been this separation. We could have been an example to the world that Christians and Muslims can work together in harmony and it could have been a bridge of friendship between Turkey and Greece.

His saying that “There is nothing Cypriot except for Cyprus donkey” It wasn’t me. It was Makarios. He said this to a beautiful Italian lady journalist. I think he was overwhelmed. I told this story to the youth who under the opposition flag of those days were saying: ‘We are Cypriots’, and immediately the opposition took it and started making propaganda that Denktash insulted Turkish Cypriots by calling them donkeys. This is the story. Everybody has pinned it on me. Many things have been pinned on me. It doesn’t matter.

Greek Cypriot politicians I can’t blame Greek Cypriot politicians for having the national cause and working for it but I blame them for not being realists. Cyprus is 70 kilometres away from Turkey and it is for Turkey a strategic island, as it is for everybody else. To think that Turkey would allow Cyprus to become part of Greece was a stupid way of looking at things.

Clerides He has guts. Once he said to De Soto: ‘I went for a full check-up and doctors were all very pleased with me. They said: ‘Perfect, everything is perfect 100 per cent and so on. And I said: ‘Look, you examined me only from my waste up’. He he he.

Religion I believe in God. I believe in the Koran. I read the Koran several times a year. I am not fanatical. I am a Turkish Cypriot who believes in his religion and God.


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Postby alexISS » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:08 pm

A bridge of friendship between Turkey and Greece.

Cyprus or Denktash?
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Postby YFred » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:51 pm

Insan, if you listen to Ecevit's speech just before the invasion, he actually says that he hopes the GC do not fire on the Soldiers.

Since They were fired upon on arrival, this was not the coupists but the whole of the GC army. We will never know what could have happend. It really no longer matters. Its in the past. We can learn from it but that is all.

You must also be aware that the GC forumers fall into two categories. Those who want negotiated peace and those who want to revert back to 63 so they can finish what they started. You are wasting you time talking to the second lot. Although I admit my weakness that I do reply to their posts, but certainly not seriously, only to knock down all the lies that they put out. But trying to reach out to them or reason with them is an absolute waste of time.

They will not even listen to the people from their side who lived the 63 to 74
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:56 pm

YFred wrote:Although I admit my weakness that I do reply to their posts, but certainly not seriously, only to knock down all the lies that they put out. But trying to reach out to them or reason with them is an absolute waste of time.

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Postby YFred » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:20 pm

Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:Although I admit my weakness that I do reply to their posts, but certainly not seriously, only to knock down all the lies that they put out. But trying to reach out to them or reason with them is an absolute waste of time.

Is this incompetent little clown for real? Image

There is something seriously wrong with this post, becasue there is no way an incompetent fool will recognise another. Catch 22 and all that . If you say you are mad, you cannot be one, on account that you will not be able to recognise it. Get it, my little one cell brained greek hellenic friend.
Stop spreading rumours about my hight. I am 1.85m tall.
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Oops, I didn't mean to steal your image, its just that old habits die hard
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Postby insan » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:23 pm

YFred wrote:Insan, if you listen to Ecevit's speech just before the invasion, he actually says that he hopes the GC do not fire on the Soldiers.

Since They were fired upon on arrival, this was not the coupists but the whole of the GC army. We will never know what could have happend. It really no longer matters. Its in the past. We can learn from it but that is all.

You must also be aware that the GC forumers fall into two categories. Those who want negotiated peace and those who want to revert back to 63 so they can finish what they started. You are wasting you time talking to the second lot. Although I admit my weakness that I do reply to their posts, but certainly not seriously, only to knock down all the lies that they put out. But trying to reach out to them or reason with them is an absolute waste of time.

They will not even listen to the people from their side who lived the 63 to 74


YFred, what i tried to emphasize was the below part of the interview. However, I'm aware of that it's not possible to discuss such issues with the ultra-nationalists of Hellenes. In every occassion, all they want to do is get a so-called political point and self-satisfy themselves.

We could have been an example to the world that Christians and Muslims can work together in harmony and it could have been a bridge of friendship between Turkey and Greece.

His saying that “There is nothing Cypriot except for Cyprus donkey” It wasn’t me. It was Makarios. He said this to a beautiful Italian lady journalist. I think he was overwhelmed. I told this story to the youth who under the opposition flag of those days were saying: ‘We are Cypriots’, and immediately the opposition took it and started making propaganda that Denktash insulted Turkish Cypriots by calling them donkeys. This is the story. Everybody has pinned it on me. Many things have been pinned on me. It doesn’t matter.

Greek Cypriot politicians I can’t blame Greek Cypriot politicians for having the national cause and working for it but I blame them for not being realists. Cyprus is 70 kilometres away from Turkey and it is for Turkey a strategic island, as it is for everybody else. To think that Turkey would allow Cyprus to become part of Greece was a stupid way of looking at things.
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Postby YFred » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:25 pm

insan wrote:
YFred wrote:Insan, if you listen to Ecevit's speech just before the invasion, he actually says that he hopes the GC do not fire on the Soldiers.

Since They were fired upon on arrival, this was not the coupists but the whole of the GC army. We will never know what could have happend. It really no longer matters. Its in the past. We can learn from it but that is all.

You must also be aware that the GC forumers fall into two categories. Those who want negotiated peace and those who want to revert back to 63 so they can finish what they started. You are wasting you time talking to the second lot. Although I admit my weakness that I do reply to their posts, but certainly not seriously, only to knock down all the lies that they put out. But trying to reach out to them or reason with them is an absolute waste of time.

They will not even listen to the people from their side who lived the 63 to 74


YFred, what i tried to emphasize was the below part of the interview. However, I'm aware of that it's not possible to discuss such issues with the ultra-nationalists of Hellenes. In every occassion, all they want to do is get a so-called political point and self-satisfy themselves.

We could have been an example to the world that Christians and Muslims can work together in harmony and it could have been a bridge of friendship between Turkey and Greece.

His saying that “There is nothing Cypriot except for Cyprus donkey” It wasn’t me. It was Makarios. He said this to a beautiful Italian lady journalist. I think he was overwhelmed. I told this story to the youth who under the opposition flag of those days were saying: ‘We are Cypriots’, and immediately the opposition took it and started making propaganda that Denktash insulted Turkish Cypriots by calling them donkeys. This is the story. Everybody has pinned it on me. Many things have been pinned on me. It doesn’t matter.

Greek Cypriot politicians I can’t blame Greek Cypriot politicians for having the national cause and working for it but I blame them for not being realists. Cyprus is 70 kilometres away from Turkey and it is for Turkey a strategic island, as it is for everybody else. To think that Turkey would allow Cyprus to become part of Greece was a stupid way of looking at things.

I agree.

Insan, for a person who reads the Kuran, your picture is a little out of character, please change it. My children are arounf when I am on this forum.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:27 pm

Another quote from the same Cyprus Mail article:

Is he rich after being the leader of north Cyprus for more than 30 years? Does he have a very high pension? What does he do with it?

“I have a pension but it is not very high and I live on it,” he says. “And I am not rich. I don’t have luxurious cars or a luxurious life style. I never worked for money. But you know what?” he laughs suddenly. “Had there been no Cyprus problem, I would have been the richest lawyer in Cyprus. (When I first practiced) both Greeks and Turks used to come to me.”


Is this claim true?
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Postby insan » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:33 pm

YFred wrote:
insan wrote:
YFred wrote:Insan, if you listen to Ecevit's speech just before the invasion, he actually says that he hopes the GC do not fire on the Soldiers.

Since They were fired upon on arrival, this was not the coupists but the whole of the GC army. We will never know what could have happend. It really no longer matters. Its in the past. We can learn from it but that is all.

You must also be aware that the GC forumers fall into two categories. Those who want negotiated peace and those who want to revert back to 63 so they can finish what they started. You are wasting you time talking to the second lot. Although I admit my weakness that I do reply to their posts, but certainly not seriously, only to knock down all the lies that they put out. But trying to reach out to them or reason with them is an absolute waste of time.

They will not even listen to the people from their side who lived the 63 to 74


YFred, what i tried to emphasize was the below part of the interview. However, I'm aware of that it's not possible to discuss such issues with the ultra-nationalists of Hellenes. In every occassion, all they want to do is get a so-called political point and self-satisfy themselves.

We could have been an example to the world that Christians and Muslims can work together in harmony and it could have been a bridge of friendship between Turkey and Greece.

His saying that “There is nothing Cypriot except for Cyprus donkey” It wasn’t me. It was Makarios. He said this to a beautiful Italian lady journalist. I think he was overwhelmed. I told this story to the youth who under the opposition flag of those days were saying: ‘We are Cypriots’, and immediately the opposition took it and started making propaganda that Denktash insulted Turkish Cypriots by calling them donkeys. This is the story. Everybody has pinned it on me. Many things have been pinned on me. It doesn’t matter.

Greek Cypriot politicians I can’t blame Greek Cypriot politicians for having the national cause and working for it but I blame them for not being realists. Cyprus is 70 kilometres away from Turkey and it is for Turkey a strategic island, as it is for everybody else. To think that Turkey would allow Cyprus to become part of Greece was a stupid way of looking at things.

I agree.

Insan, for a person who reads the Kuran, your picture is a little out of character, please change it. My children are arounf when I am on this forum.


R u serious? Errmm.. I'm sorry abt it but i don't want to change my avatar. Sorry, again. I'm sure u will find the solution on ur side. :wink:
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Postby YFred » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:34 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:Another quote from the same Cyprus Mail article:

Is he rich after being the leader of north Cyprus for more than 30 years? Does he have a very high pension? What does he do with it?

“I have a pension but it is not very high and I live on it,” he says. “And I am not rich. I don’t have luxurious cars or a luxurious life style. I never worked for money. But you know what?” he laughs suddenly. “Had there been no Cyprus problem, I would have been the richest lawyer in Cyprus. (When I first practiced) both Greeks and Turks used to come to me.”


Is this claim true?


It is true that he was not wealthy before 1974. However, since than he benefitted most from the allocation of GC land in the north. So no, it is not, he is very wealthy. About 5 families are extremely rich, he is one of them, Boyaci is another. They are all crooks.
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