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[Kikapu]

Another quote from the same Cyprus Mail article:

Is he rich after being the leader of north Cyprus for more than 30 years? Does he have a very high pension? What does he do with it?

“I have a pension but it is not very high and I live on it,” he says. “And I am not rich. I don’t have luxurious cars or a luxurious life style. I never worked for money. But you know what?” he laughs suddenly. “Had there been no Cyprus problem, I would have been the richest lawyer in Cyprus. (When I first practiced) both Greeks and Turks used to come to me.”

Is this claim true?

It is true that he was not wealthy before 1974. However, since than he benefitted most from the allocation of GC land in the north. So no, it is not, he is very wealthy. About 5 families are extremely rich, he is one of them, Boyaci is another. They are all crooks.

And you wonder why there was no peace to be had for over 30 years while Denktash was the Dictator in the north, while the TC's were kept in an "Open Prison" while they were forced to become part of a "corrupted society" that he created, just so that he can live the high life on HARAM land stolen from the GC's. It was reported that he has taken 30,000 Dönüms of GC land, which he only had very little in the south, if any. Does "Animal Farm" come to mind. Oh yes, it does to mine. Even today, he is always thinking of himself and is pushing for 2 independent state for a solution, because he knows, that any other solution, he will lose his ill gotten HARAM land and be thrown into the slammer. He is the Hero of Zan, VP and all the NeoPartitionist.!

What a role model to look up to.!

[YFred]

Another quote from the same Cyprus Mail article:

Is he rich after being the leader of north Cyprus for more than 30 years? Does he have a very high pension? What does he do with it?

“I have a pension but it is not very high and I live on it,” he says. “And I am not rich. I don’t have luxurious cars or a luxurious life style. I never worked for money. But you know what?” he laughs suddenly. “Had there been no Cyprus problem, I would have been the richest lawyer in Cyprus. (When I first practiced) both Greeks and Turks used to come to me.”

Is this claim true?

It is true that he was not wealthy before 1974. However, since than he benefitted most from the allocation of GC land in the north. So no, it is not, he is very wealthy. About 5 families are extremely rich, he is one of them, Boyaci is another. They are all crooks.

And you wonder why there was no peace to be had for over 30 years while Denktash was the Dictator in the north, while the TC's were kept in an "Open Prison" while they were forced to become part of a "corrupted society" that he created, just so that he can live the high life on HARAM land stolen from the GC's. It was reported that he has taken 30,000 Dönüms of GC land, which he only had very little in the south, if any. Does "Animal Farm" come to mind. Oh yes, it does to mine. Even today, he is always thinking of himself and is pushing for 2 independent state for a solution, because he knows, that any other solution, he will lose his ill gotten HARAM land and be thrown into the slammer. He is the Hero of Zan, VP and all the NeoPartitionist.!

What a role model to look up to.!

You live and learn. I was not aware that Zan admired Denktas.

What people don't realise is that Denktash did not do this by himself. The RoC helped him. Despite being aware of the predicament of the TC's and the fact that they are leaving Cyprus in droves to this day, they just encouraged it by suffocating the TC economy. It is legalised criminality.
Which is probably why in the last annan plan it was Roc who was going to pay the bill. And I suspect it will be in the next one too.

He will have to show pre 74 deeds I hope and as I am sure he had very little, I am confident he will loose it. Talat is not his friend.

[YFred]

Insan, for a person who reads the Kuran, your picture is a little out of character, please change it. My children are arounf when I am on this forum.

I thought Denktash reads the koran

It will not make no difference. He is going to same place as Makarios, Grivas, Yorgagis, Samson Papadobullos and the rest. Is Klerides dead yet,?becasue he is going there too.

[Kikapu]

Another quote from the same Cyprus Mail article:

Is he rich after being the leader of north Cyprus for more than 30 years? Does he have a very high pension? What does he do with it?

“I have a pension but it is not very high and I live on it,” he says. “And I am not rich. I don’t have luxurious cars or a luxurious life style. I never worked for money. But you know what?” he laughs suddenly. “Had there been no Cyprus problem, I would have been the richest lawyer in Cyprus. (When I first practiced) both Greeks and Turks used to come to me.”

Is this claim true?

It is true that he was not wealthy before 1974. However, since than he benefitted most from the allocation of GC land in the north. So no, it is not, he is very wealthy. About 5 families are extremely rich, he is one of them, Boyaci is another. They are all crooks.

And you wonder why there was no peace to be had for over 30 years while Denktash was the Dictator in the north, while the TC's were kept in an "Open Prison" while they were forced to become part of a "corrupted society" that he created, just so that he can live the high life on HARAM land stolen from the GC's. It was reported that he has taken 30,000 Dönüms of GC land, which he only had very little in the south, if any. Does "Animal Farm" come to mind. Oh yes, it does to mine. Even today, he is always thinking of himself and is pushing for 2 independent state for a solution, because he knows, that any other solution, he will lose his ill gotten HARAM land and be thrown into the slammer. He is the Hero of Zan, VP and all the NeoPartitionist.!

What a role model to look up to.!

You live and learn. I was not aware that Zan admired Denktas.

What people don't realise is that Denktash did not do this by himself. The RoC helped him. Despite being aware of the predicament of the TC's and the fact that they are leaving Cyprus in droves to this day, they just encouraged it by suffocating the TC economy. It is legalised criminality.
Which is probably why in the last annan plan it was Roc who was going to pay the bill. And I suspect it will be in the next one too.

He will have to show pre 74 deeds I hope and as I am sure he had very little, I am confident he will loose it. Talat is not his friend.

Yeah but, where there is a will, there is a way, and Denktash had his eyes on Taksim just as much as GC's had on Enosis back in the 60's. With Denktash, his dreams have come true, and for the majority GC's, they had abandoned those Enosis dreams at the time Dentist’s were about to become a reality. Since 74, do not expect the GC's to do anything that will reward the TC's economically, because had they done that, there never was going to be any guarantee that the division today will not remain as is. It just would have added more salt on the GC's wound. Now it's eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth until both sides are blinded in both eyes and are only able to gum their food because they no longer have any teeth left. You will then get the
blind leading the blind scenario.!

The way the Annan Plan was put together, the GC's were going to pay through the butt for everything until they became bankrupt, lost the country, and became at the mercy of the TC's and Turkey, and that's just for starters, and nothing to show for in return.!

[Viewpoint]

Kiakpu which came first enosis or taksim? was one a result of the other?

[Piratis]

Kiakpu which came first enosis or taksim? was one a result of the other?

Enosis (union) was the desire of the native Cypriot people to unite with the rest of Greece. Cypriots have every right to their self-determination and using their self-determination they can unite with whomever they choose.

I remember when Turkey was threatening to invade Cyprus again if we dared to unite with EU. Fortunately this time they could not use their Turkish minority to create trouble and deny from the Cypriot people their right to unite with whomever they want.

Just because turks didn't want Cyprus to unite with Greece or later with EU, this doesn't mean that Cyprus didn't have the right to do so. How could it be fine if Cyprus was under the Ottoman or British empires and Cypriots the subjects of these empires against their will, but not OK to be equal Greek (or EU) citizens, if this is what the Cypriot people democratically choose?

So there was absolutely nothing wrong with enosis. On the contrary it was the right of the Cypriot people.

Greek, Turkish, Armenian, Latin, Maronite etc Cypriots would continue to live in Cyprus as they have done during British and Ottoman empires, but this times they would be equal citizens, not subjects. So nothing wrong with enosis. Rhodes island which also has a Turkish minority united with Greece in 1947 and not a single nose broke over it.

Taksim (partition) on the other hand, is a criminal act that requires the ethnic cleansing and annihilation of 100s of thousands of people from their homeland, in order to artifically create some "Turkish State" on land that belongs mostly to Greek Cypriots.

So you really can not compare the struggle of the Cypriot people for freedom, with the criminal act of partition.

Which came first? Enosis did. The time that all Greeks, including Cypriots, were revolting to free themselves from the foreign rulers and create a free Greek Republic, the Turks ruled the whole of Cyprus, and obviously they would settle for half of it at that time.

Here is when the struggle for freedom of Greeks against their foreign overlords started:

During the Greek War of Independence in 1821, the Ottoman authorities feared that Greek Cypriots would rebel again. Archbishop Kyprianos, a powerful leader who worked to improve the education of Greek Cypriot children, was accused of plotting against the government. Kyprianos, his bishops, and hundreds of priests and important laymen were arrested and summarily hanged or decapitated on July 9, 1821.

[Paphitis]

Insan, for a person who reads the Kuran, your picture is a little out of character, please change it. My children are arounf when I am on this forum.

I thought Denktash reads the koran

It will not make no difference. He is going to same place as Makarios, Grivas, Yorgagis, Samson Papadobullos and the rest. Is Klerides dead yet,?becasue he is going there too.

Bugger!

All the really cool dudes are going to hell.

I really do hope I end up going to the same place as I wouldn't mind rubbing shoulders with all these fine gents, except for Nicos Sampson that is. I hope God is listening...

[observer]

YFred wrote:

Another myth is that he was a lawyer. He never got a law degree. He just represented people becasue he could speak, greek and english.
Sorry to say but as far as IQ is concerened, I suspect that an average Cypriot shepherd has a higher one which is why the TC's find themsleves in this predicament..

I'm curious since his official biography says:

He came from a comfortable middle-class family, the son of a judge who worked in the British administration. After graduating from the English high school in Nicosia in 1941, he worked as an interpreter in the courts, taught for a year in the English school, and began to write articles on the problems of Cyprus' Turkish community for Halkin Sesi (Voice of the People). In 1944 Denktash went to London to study law and was called to the Bar from Lincoln's Inn in 1947. He returned to Cyprus in 1948 and was appointed to the governor's "Constitutional Council." The following year he began to work in the prosecutor's office, where he remained until 1958.

If his father was a judge, it is reasonable to assume that the son would follow in his footsteps. It says that he was called to the Bar (ie was a lawyer) and I don't imagine that he would have been employed by the colonial prosecutor's office unless he was properly qualified.

Would someone who knows the legal system better than I do (or perhaps YFred) like to comment.

[Tim Drayton]

Tim, if you understand greek I have asked someone to listen to a post and give me a gist of what is being said. Will you do it if I send it to you?

Sorry, my Greek is very limited.

[Tim Drayton]

Another quote from the same Cyprus Mail article:

Is he rich after being the leader of north Cyprus for more than 30 years? Does he have a very high pension? What does he do with it?

“I have a pension but it is not very high and I live on it,” he says. “And I am not rich. I don’t have luxurious cars or a luxurious life style. I never worked for money. But you know what?” he laughs suddenly. “Had there been no Cyprus problem, I would have been the richest lawyer in Cyprus. (When I first practiced) both Greeks and Turks used to come to me.”

Is this claim true?

It is true that he was not wealthy before 1974. However, since than he benefitted most from the allocation of GC land in the north. So no, it is not, he is very wealthy. About 5 families are extremely rich, he is one of them, Boyaci is another. They are all crooks.

And you wonder why there was no peace to be had for over 30 years while Denktash was the Dictator in the north, while the TC's were kept in an "Open Prison" while they were forced to become part of a "corrupted society" that he created, just so that he can live the high life on HARAM land stolen from the GC's. It was reported that he has taken 30,000 Dönüms of GC land, which he only had very little in the south, if any. Does "Animal Farm" come to mind. Oh yes, it does to mine. Even today, he is always thinking of himself and is pushing for 2 independent state for a solution, because he knows, that any other solution, he will lose his ill gotten HARAM land and be thrown into the slammer. He is the Hero of Zan, VP and all the NeoPartitionist.!

What a role model to look up to.!

The real point I wanted to drive home, feigning a degree of naivety, was that if the writer of this article permits Denktash to get away with such a blatant lie unchallenged, the veractiy of all its contents are called into question.