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[YFred]

Insan, if you listen to Ecevit's speech just before the invasion, he actually says that he hopes the GC do not fire on the Soldiers.

Since They were fired upon on arrival, this was not the coupists but the whole of the GC army. We will never know what could have happend. It really no longer matters. Its in the past. We can learn from it but that is all.

You must also be aware that the GC forumers fall into two categories. Those who want negotiated peace and those who want to revert back to 63 so they can finish what they started. You are wasting you time talking to the second lot. Although I admit my weakness that I do reply to their posts, but certainly not seriously, only to knock down all the lies that they put out. But trying to reach out to them or reason with them is an absolute waste of time.

They will not even listen to the people from their side who lived the 63 to 74

YFred, what i tried to emphasize was the below part of the interview. However, I'm aware of that it's not possible to discuss such issues with the ultra-nationalists of Hellenes. In every occassion, all they want to do is get a so-called political point and self-satisfy themselves.

We could have been an example to the world that Christians and Muslims can work together in harmony and it could have been a bridge of friendship between Turkey and Greece.

His saying that “There is nothing Cypriot except for Cyprus donkey” It wasn’t me. It was Makarios. He said this to a beautiful Italian lady journalist. I think he was overwhelmed. I told this story to the youth who under the opposition flag of those days were saying: ‘We are Cypriots’, and immediately the opposition took it and started making propaganda that Denktash insulted Turkish Cypriots by calling them donkeys. This is the story. Everybody has pinned it on me. Many things have been pinned on me. It doesn’t matter.

Greek Cypriot politicians I can’t blame Greek Cypriot politicians for having the national cause and working for it but I blame them for not being realists. Cyprus is 70 kilometres away from Turkey and it is for Turkey a strategic island, as it is for everybody else. To think that Turkey would allow Cyprus to become part of Greece was a stupid way of looking at things.

I agree.

Insan, for a person who reads the Kuran, your picture is a little out of character, please change it. My children are arounf when I am on this forum.

R u serious? Errmm.. I'm sorry abt it but i don't want to change my avatar. Sorry, again. I'm sure u will find the solution on ur side.

Let me be more blunt, what you say may carry twice the weight, if you have a serious picture.

[insan]

Insan, if you listen to Ecevit's speech just before the invasion, he actually says that he hopes the GC do not fire on the Soldiers.

Since They were fired upon on arrival, this was not the coupists but the whole of the GC army. We will never know what could have happend. It really no longer matters. Its in the past. We can learn from it but that is all.

You must also be aware that the GC forumers fall into two categories. Those who want negotiated peace and those who want to revert back to 63 so they can finish what they started. You are wasting you time talking to the second lot. Although I admit my weakness that I do reply to their posts, but certainly not seriously, only to knock down all the lies that they put out. But trying to reach out to them or reason with them is an absolute waste of time.

They will not even listen to the people from their side who lived the 63 to 74

YFred, what i tried to emphasize was the below part of the interview. However, I'm aware of that it's not possible to discuss such issues with the ultra-nationalists of Hellenes. In every occassion, all they want to do is get a so-called political point and self-satisfy themselves.

We could have been an example to the world that Christians and Muslims can work together in harmony and it could have been a bridge of friendship between Turkey and Greece.

His saying that “There is nothing Cypriot except for Cyprus donkey” It wasn’t me. It was Makarios. He said this to a beautiful Italian lady journalist. I think he was overwhelmed. I told this story to the youth who under the opposition flag of those days were saying: ‘We are Cypriots’, and immediately the opposition took it and started making propaganda that Denktash insulted Turkish Cypriots by calling them donkeys. This is the story. Everybody has pinned it on me. Many things have been pinned on me. It doesn’t matter.

Greek Cypriot politicians I can’t blame Greek Cypriot politicians for having the national cause and working for it but I blame them for not being realists. Cyprus is 70 kilometres away from Turkey and it is for Turkey a strategic island, as it is for everybody else. To think that Turkey would allow Cyprus to become part of Greece was a stupid way of looking at things.

I agree.

Insan, for a person who reads the Kuran, your picture is a little out of character, please change it. My children are arounf when I am on this forum.

R u serious? Errmm.. I'm sorry abt it but i don't want to change my avatar. Sorry, again. I'm sure u will find the solution on ur side.

Let me be more blunt, what you say may carry twice the weight, if you have a serious picture.

They'd better "don't judge a man, how he looks." Sorry, if only admin removes that avatar i'd feel to change it.

[Piratis]

The inter-communal conflict was started by the TCs in 1958. But the problems in Cyprus between the native Cypriot people and the invading Turks started much earlier than that.

Had there been no Turkish expansionism, there would be no Turks in Cyprus, and no Cyprus problem.

[YFred]

The inter-communal conflict was started by the TCs in 1958. But the problems in Cyprus between the native Cypriot people and the invading Turks started much earlier than that.

Had there been no Turkish expansionism, there would be no Turks in Cyprus, and no Cyprus problem.

This is where you are so wrong. If we didn't come to Cyprus, you would have remaind bunch of Pirates. We came saved you from the dreaded Catholics and is that all the thanks we get!

I now wish we never came to Cyprus and civilised you.

[YFred]

Insan, if you listen to Ecevit's speech just before the invasion, he actually says that he hopes the GC do not fire on the Soldiers.

Since They were fired upon on arrival, this was not the coupists but the whole of the GC army. We will never know what could have happend. It really no longer matters. Its in the past. We can learn from it but that is all.

You must also be aware that the GC forumers fall into two categories. Those who want negotiated peace and those who want to revert back to 63 so they can finish what they started. You are wasting you time talking to the second lot. Although I admit my weakness that I do reply to their posts, but certainly not seriously, only to knock down all the lies that they put out. But trying to reach out to them or reason with them is an absolute waste of time.

They will not even listen to the people from their side who lived the 63 to 74

YFred, what i tried to emphasize was the below part of the interview. However, I'm aware of that it's not possible to discuss such issues with the ultra-nationalists of Hellenes. In every occassion, all they want to do is get a so-called political point and self-satisfy themselves.

We could have been an example to the world that Christians and Muslims can work together in harmony and it could have been a bridge of friendship between Turkey and Greece.

His saying that “There is nothing Cypriot except for Cyprus donkey” It wasn’t me. It was Makarios. He said this to a beautiful Italian lady journalist. I think he was overwhelmed. I told this story to the youth who under the opposition flag of those days were saying: ‘We are Cypriots’, and immediately the opposition took it and started making propaganda that Denktash insulted Turkish Cypriots by calling them donkeys. This is the story. Everybody has pinned it on me. Many things have been pinned on me. It doesn’t matter.

Greek Cypriot politicians I can’t blame Greek Cypriot politicians for having the national cause and working for it but I blame them for not being realists. Cyprus is 70 kilometres away from Turkey and it is for Turkey a strategic island, as it is for everybody else. To think that Turkey would allow Cyprus to become part of Greece was a stupid way of looking at things.

I agree.

Insan, for a person who reads the Kuran, your picture is a little out of character, please change it. My children are arounf when I am on this forum.

R u serious? Errmm.. I'm sorry abt it but i don't want to change my avatar. Sorry, again. I'm sure u will find the solution on ur side.

Let me be more blunt, what you say may carry twice the weight, if you have a serious picture.

They'd better "don't judge a man, how he looks." Sorry, if only admin removes that avatar i'd feel to change it.

I have heard of the saying, but how many amongst us actually practice it?
The actual saying is "Don't judge a book by its cover".
For instance GR never reads a book if it has certain cover. I would go further, GR only reads a book if it has the greek flag on it.
That just gave me a thought, I will change mine to a greek flag for a while to se if he starts to read my posts.
Regards.

[Tim Drayton]

Another quote from the same Cyprus Mail article:

Is he rich after being the leader of north Cyprus for more than 30 years? Does he have a very high pension? What does he do with it?

“I have a pension but it is not very high and I live on it,” he says. “And I am not rich. I don’t have luxurious cars or a luxurious life style. I never worked for money. But you know what?” he laughs suddenly. “Had there been no Cyprus problem, I would have been the richest lawyer in Cyprus. (When I first practiced) both Greeks and Turks used to come to me.”

Is this claim true?

It is true that he was not wealthy before 1974. However, since than he benefitted most from the allocation of GC land in the north. So no, it is not, he is very wealthy. About 5 families are extremely rich, he is one of them, Boyaci is another. They are all crooks.

This is what I thought. Thanks for confirming that.

[YFred]

Tim, if you understand greek I have asked someone to listen to a post and give me a gist of what is being said. Will you do it if I send it to you?

[insan]

Had there been no Turkish expansionism, there would be no Turks in Cyprus, and no Cyprus problem.

The so-called GCs would have extincted as poor serfs, under the brutal oppression of Venetians. Had Turks haven't conquered Cyprus, there would have been another world power taken control of Cyprus. Currently, the South of Cyprus is under full control of "imperialist"/"expansionist" EU countries and the Northern Cyprus is under control of TCs and Turkey.

[YFred]

Another quote from the same Cyprus Mail article:

Is he rich after being the leader of north Cyprus for more than 30 years? Does he have a very high pension? What does he do with it?

“I have a pension but it is not very high and I live on it,” he says. “And I am not rich. I don’t have luxurious cars or a luxurious life style. I never worked for money. But you know what?” he laughs suddenly. “Had there been no Cyprus problem, I would have been the richest lawyer in Cyprus. (When I first practiced) both Greeks and Turks used to come to me.”

Is this claim true?

It is true that he was not wealthy before 1974. However, since than he benefitted most from the allocation of GC land in the north. So no, it is not, he is very wealthy. About 5 families are extremely rich, he is one of them, Boyaci is another. They are all crooks.

This is what I thought. Thanks for confirming that.

Another myth is that he was a lawyer. He never got a law degree. He just represented people becasue he could speak, greek and english.
Sorry to say but as far as IQ is concerened, I suspect that an average Cypriot shepherd has a higher one which is why the TC's find themsleves in this predicament..

[insan]

Insan, if you listen to Ecevit's speech just before the invasion, he actually says that he hopes the GC do not fire on the Soldiers.

Since They were fired upon on arrival, this was not the coupists but the whole of the GC army. We will never know what could have happend. It really no longer matters. Its in the past. We can learn from it but that is all.

You must also be aware that the GC forumers fall into two categories. Those who want negotiated peace and those who want to revert back to 63 so they can finish what they started. You are wasting you time talking to the second lot. Although I admit my weakness that I do reply to their posts, but certainly not seriously, only to knock down all the lies that they put out. But trying to reach out to them or reason with them is an absolute waste of time.

They will not even listen to the people from their side who lived the 63 to 74

YFred, what i tried to emphasize was the below part of the interview. However, I'm aware of that it's not possible to discuss such issues with the ultra-nationalists of Hellenes. In every occassion, all they want to do is get a so-called political point and self-satisfy themselves.

We could have been an example to the world that Christians and Muslims can work together in harmony and it could have been a bridge of friendship between Turkey and Greece.

His saying that “There is nothing Cypriot except for Cyprus donkey” It wasn’t me. It was Makarios. He said this to a beautiful Italian lady journalist. I think he was overwhelmed. I told this story to the youth who under the opposition flag of those days were saying: ‘We are Cypriots’, and immediately the opposition took it and started making propaganda that Denktash insulted Turkish Cypriots by calling them donkeys. This is the story. Everybody has pinned it on me. Many things have been pinned on me. It doesn’t matter.

Greek Cypriot politicians I can’t blame Greek Cypriot politicians for having the national cause and working for it but I blame them for not being realists. Cyprus is 70 kilometres away from Turkey and it is for Turkey a strategic island, as it is for everybody else. To think that Turkey would allow Cyprus to become part of Greece was a stupid way of looking at things.

I agree.

Insan, for a person who reads the Kuran, your picture is a little out of character, please change it. My children are arounf when I am on this forum.

R u serious? Errmm.. I'm sorry abt it but i don't want to change my avatar. Sorry, again. I'm sure u will find the solution on ur side.

Let me be more blunt, what you say may carry twice the weight, if you have a serious picture.

They'd better "don't judge a man, how he looks." Sorry, if only admin removes that avatar i'd feel to change it.

I have heard of the saying, but how many amongst us actually practice it?
The actual saying is "Don't judge a book by its cover".
For instance GR never reads a book if it has certain cover. I would go further, GR only reads a book if it has the greek flag on it.
That just gave me a thought, I will change mine to a greek flag for a while to se if he starts to read my posts.
Regards.

quid pro quo