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Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:13 am

Paphiti, i got a lot of work today so don't have too much time to get into this, but from what you say the Cypriots should give up their rights in Cyprus in favour for the diaspora as they are much more patriotic, have not been "forced" to do their national service and seem to have more cash than us too.


DT, that is clearly not what I said.

For me it makes common sense that Cypriot expats should be allowed the right to vote. Most other countries do give their citizens this right and some countries such as Australia actually make it compulsory.

Cypriots will not be giving up their rights by allowing Cypriot expats the right to vote. That is a ridiculous assertion. :roll:

I never stated that Cypriot expats are also more patriotic than Cypriots. But it is apparent that at least some of them are as many just work tirelessly for Cyprus and with no recognition. They don't need the recognition either, but the least Cyprus can do is allow them to vote, as it is quite clear that some of these people care so much for Cyprus.

I did not say that anyone was "forced" to do their national service either. But the way some of you behave, you make it seem like it is such a big chore and inconvenience on your lives and most of you would avoid it if possible. You are the one that said that we should be "wasted" for 26 months at the Green Line for the right to vote or to prove some kind of patriotism. :roll: I am sorry, but things are not quite as simplistic as that. The Cypriot Diaspora does not need to prove a thing and nor do they want recognition, but the right to vote is truly appreciated by those that wish to have their voice heard as Cypriot citizens who live abroad.

I did not say that Cypriot expats should have the right to vote because they somehow have more money. :roll: I did not even say that Cypriot expats have more money, and I would never descend to that level as I do not believe that money is any measure of the man or woman. I only stated that there are many hard working Cypriots overseas and that some are very influential in their respective countries, and Cyprus would do well if it could utilize and recognize these valuable assets. :roll:

I was sort of an expat myself (lived in UK for 12 years after my service) moving back to Cyprus 2 years ago, I now know how little I knew about politics in Cyprus then....yet told the world I know everything.


You are very fortunate to have lived in the UK. But spare a thought for Cypriots further afield who are cut off from Cyprus and have lost all contact with their heritage.

I enjoyed hanging around with the diaspora in Cyprus, their Cyprus seems to be stuck in the 70's yet they are always willing to do something for their country (mostly souvla and ziafethkia).


I am absolutely disgusted at your statement above. :roll: I am absolutely lost for words. :lol:

Cyprus may seem to be stuck in the 70s for the first generation who were stuck in a time warp.

However, to some of us 2nd, 3rd and 4th generations, we can see that Cypriot political institutions, ideologies and political polarization ARE stuck in the 70s, when compared to countries they grew up in. You compare all of that, including the mentality of the average Cypriot to other countries such as Sweden, Finland, Austria, Australia and Canada and then tell me if you are not stuck in the 70s. :roll: OK, I think I am being a little too harsh here. :lol:

What I can't stand however is some American, Ozzie, Brit telling me how patriotic they are when I know that if anything ever happens again they'll be sitting in London, NY or Melbourne while the unpatriotic Cypriots in Cyprus do the fighting for these patriots.


The last thing any Aussie Cypriot will tell you is how patriotic they are about Cyprus. Out of 74,000 Australian Cypriots, you would be hard pressed finding about 5,000 patriotic Cypriots, because the rest don't even consider themselves as Cypriot but only as Australian. Australia has successfully claimed these people and assimilated them. Those that are "Patriotic Cypriots" are the ones you would probably find on this forum, are active within political parties and lobby groups, volunteer left right and center at every Cypriot group, live and breath Cyprus. These are probably the ones that would also want to vote. The rest would not care and they are lost to Cyprus forever.

However, it is quite easy for you to say that you get upset at some Aussie or American dirt bag :roll: sitting in Melbourne or New York having the right to vote as citizens of Cyprus. That would be a tragedy as these people are not Cypriot at all. :roll:

BTW when I said that this law has been passed mostly for the students I want you to think for a second. Who do the political parties fly over in busloads every election time....students. The students have their electoral cards done by the party associations in the universities. Each political party has a student party in the UK to represent it. I used to belong to one of those. Our main job was to sign up students, get them on the electoral register and fly them home for next to nothing in exchange for their vote. These are votes the parties know about and expect. As far as I know there was very few of the diaspora and practically zero of the 2nd


If you ask me, the above absolutely makes a mockery of democracy and turns it into a Bordello. :roll:

It is not just students that are able to get voter cards. All Cypriot citizens are able to apply for voter cards. I am able to apply for a voter's card and if I was somehow in the UK whilst there were elections in Cyprus, all I would have to do is go to one of the major party's and state that I support them and the next day I would be in Cyprus provided there was room on the chartered plane. :roll: Bloody ridiculous! You would also find that some East African democracies do the same thing when they have elections.

I could in fact sell my vote for a free trip to Cyprus. If you do not recognize that this makes a mockery of your democracy then I do not know what to say. This is worse than being stuck in the 70s. That is neolithic and corrupts the very core of democracy. :roll:

The solution is to simply allow Cypriot expats the right to vote. it should be no skin off your back if a few thousand Cypriot expats feel so strongly about Cyprus and wish to participate in the countries democratic institutions. If you were smart you would encourage this, but alas being Cypriot and smart do not always go hand in hand.
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Postby YFred » Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:36 pm

Which political party and in particular who came up with this idea?
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Postby CBBB » Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:46 pm

Which idea?
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:03 pm

YFred wrote:Which political party and in particular who came up with this idea?


You seem concerned that Cyprus will not abandon over 492,000 Cypriots living abroad which would leave Cyprus isolated and rich pickings for Turkey once again.

The Diaspora is watching and Turkey should be very worried... The Diaspora will never forget Cyprus and Cyprus will never forget the Diaspora and together we will remove you..
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Postby DT. » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:10 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Paphiti, i got a lot of work today so don't have too much time to get into this, but from what you say the Cypriots should give up their rights in Cyprus in favour for the diaspora as they are much more patriotic, have not been "forced" to do their national service and seem to have more cash than us too.


DT, that is clearly not what I said.

For me it makes common sense that Cypriot expats should be allowed the right to vote. Most other countries do give their citizens this right and some countries such as Australia actually make it compulsory.

Cypriots will not be giving up their rights by allowing Cypriot expats the right to vote. That is a ridiculous assertion. :roll:

I never stated that Cypriot expats are also more patriotic than Cypriots. But it is apparent that at least some of them are as many just work tirelessly for Cyprus and with no recognition. They don't need the recognition either, but the least Cyprus can do is allow them to vote, as it is quite clear that some of these people care so much for Cyprus.

I did not say that anyone was "forced" to do their national service either. But the way some of you behave, you make it seem like it is such a big chore and inconvenience on your lives and most of you would avoid it if possible. You are the one that said that we should be "wasted" for 26 months at the Green Line for the right to vote or to prove some kind of patriotism. :roll: I am sorry, but things are not quite as simplistic as that. The Cypriot Diaspora does not need to prove a thing and nor do they want recognition, but the right to vote is truly appreciated by those that wish to have their voice heard as Cypriot citizens who live abroad.

I did not say that Cypriot expats should have the right to vote because they somehow have more money. :roll: I did not even say that Cypriot expats have more money, and I would never descend to that level as I do not believe that money is any measure of the man or woman. I only stated that there are many hard working Cypriots overseas and that some are very influential in their respective countries, and Cyprus would do well if it could utilize and recognize these valuable assets. :roll:

I was sort of an expat myself (lived in UK for 12 years after my service) moving back to Cyprus 2 years ago, I now know how little I knew about politics in Cyprus then....yet told the world I know everything.


You are very fortunate to have lived in the UK. But spare a thought for Cypriots further afield who are cut off from Cyprus and have lost all contact with their heritage.

I enjoyed hanging around with the diaspora in Cyprus, their Cyprus seems to be stuck in the 70's yet they are always willing to do something for their country (mostly souvla and ziafethkia).


I am absolutely disgusted at your statement above. :roll: I am absolutely lost for words. :lol:

Cyprus may seem to be stuck in the 70s for the first generation who were stuck in a time warp.

However, to some of us 2nd, 3rd and 4th generations, we can see that Cypriot political institutions, ideologies and political polarization ARE stuck in the 70s, when compared to countries they grew up in. You compare all of that, including the mentality of the average Cypriot to other countries such as Sweden, Finland, Austria, Australia and Canada and then tell me if you are not stuck in the 70s. :roll: OK, I think I am being a little too harsh here. :lol:

What I can't stand however is some American, Ozzie, Brit telling me how patriotic they are when I know that if anything ever happens again they'll be sitting in London, NY or Melbourne while the unpatriotic Cypriots in Cyprus do the fighting for these patriots.


The last thing any Aussie Cypriot will tell you is how patriotic they are about Cyprus. Out of 74,000 Australian Cypriots, you would be hard pressed finding about 5,000 patriotic Cypriots, because the rest don't even consider themselves as Cypriot but only as Australian. Australia has successfully claimed these people and assimilated them. Those that are "Patriotic Cypriots" are the ones you would probably find on this forum, are active within political parties and lobby groups, volunteer left right and center at every Cypriot group, live and breath Cyprus. These are probably the ones that would also want to vote. The rest would not care and they are lost to Cyprus forever.

However, it is quite easy for you to say that you get upset at some Aussie or American dirt bag :roll: sitting in Melbourne or New York having the right to vote as citizens of Cyprus. That would be a tragedy as these people are not Cypriot at all. :roll:

BTW when I said that this law has been passed mostly for the students I want you to think for a second. Who do the political parties fly over in busloads every election time....students. The students have their electoral cards done by the party associations in the universities. Each political party has a student party in the UK to represent it. I used to belong to one of those. Our main job was to sign up students, get them on the electoral register and fly them home for next to nothing in exchange for their vote. These are votes the parties know about and expect. As far as I know there was very few of the diaspora and practically zero of the 2nd


If you ask me, the above absolutely makes a mockery of democracy and turns it into a Bordello. :roll:

It is not just students that are able to get voter cards. All Cypriot citizens are able to apply for voter cards. I am able to apply for a voter's card and if I was somehow in the UK whilst there were elections in Cyprus, all I would have to do is go to one of the major party's and state that I support them and the next day I would be in Cyprus provided there was room on the chartered plane. :roll: Bloody ridiculous! You would also find that some East African democracies do the same thing when they have elections.

I could in fact sell my vote for a free trip to Cyprus. If you do not recognize that this makes a mockery of your democracy then I do not know what to say. This is worse than being stuck in the 70s. That is neolithic and corrupts the very core of democracy. :roll:

The solution is to simply allow Cypriot expats the right to vote. it should be no skin off your back if a few thousand Cypriot expats feel so strongly about Cyprus and wish to participate in the countries democratic institutions. If you were smart you would encourage this, but alas being Cypriot and smart do not always go hand in hand.


You're not getting what I'm saying. IF you are a citizen of Cyprus with an ID and are registered to vote then by all means vote away. My addittion to this is that I would prefer that anyone who does not live in Cyprus comes and lives for a while before they exercise this right since the impressions the diaspora has about Cyprus sometimes is warped and could lead to dangerous election choices being made.

The point regarding the students is not whether it is right or wrong but I am merely giving you the reason that this law was passed. The parties have basically grown tired o forking out Euros to fky people over to vote for them. No opinion, just a fact.

Lastly, if you made a conscience decision to begin posting things like
If you were smart you would encourage this, but alas being Cypriot and smart do not always go hand in hand
then be prepared.
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Postby paliometoxo » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:32 pm

thats great news, saves all those who are abroad who want to vote flying over to cyprus
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:46 pm

You're not getting what I'm saying. IF you are a citizen of Cyprus with an ID and are registered to vote then by all means vote away. My addittion to this is that I would prefer that anyone who does not live in Cyprus comes and lives for a while before they exercise this right since the impressions the diaspora has about Cyprus sometimes is warped and could lead to dangerous election choices being made.


Then we have an understanding and you realize the importance of allowing Cypriot expats the right to vote, should they wish to do so. This off course also means that you support the fact that the RoC will set up polling stations at her embassies so that voting is accessible to everyone more easily.

And those that wish to vote, are also those that more than likely have traveled to Cyprus on a continued basis, and also own property and land in Cyprus and hence they are also taxpayers. They have as much right as you have to show an active interest in Cypriot politics and cast their ballot. They are also smart enough to make an informed decision, whatever that may be because the last time I checked, Cyprus is a democracy and what may be a disaster for you would clearly not be a disaster for some one else who voted the way the did for their own personal reasons. Cypriots are more than capable of making disastrous decisions on their own, they do not need the Diaspora's help. But it is wrong for me to say this as well, because clearly most people voted in the current Government and that is just the way it is. Whether you or I agree with it or not, is neither here nor there, but we are all entitled to express ourselves as we wish, and this is what democracy is all about. :D

The point regarding the students is not whether it is right or wrong but I am merely giving you the reason that this law was passed. The parties have basically grown tired o forking out Euros to fky people over to vote for them. No opinion, just a fact.


I am glad to hear it. Polling stations should be set up wherever possible allowing all citizens the opportunity to cast a vote.

Lastly, if you made a conscience decision to begin posting things like
If you were smart you would encourage this, but alas being Cypriot and smart do not always go hand in hand
then be prepared.


No one has made a conscious decision to do anything. I just debated with you in order to try and get you to see reason by realizing that being Cypriot does not just mean living in Cyprus or being "wasted" on the Green Line. There is a Cyprus outside of your borders and the Cyprus Government, to their credit may have started to appreciate this fact. :)

You are not alone, and many of us are intelligent enough to make an informed decision. We are not silly and we are not your door mat or beneath you either.

Time to smarten up! Did you know that Turkey spends 30 million AUD lobbying Australian Government? :shock: This is the enemy you are dealing with, and Cyprus needs to play the same game, although we don't have that much money to play with or the resources. This is WHY, Cyprus needs to keep the diaspora very close and utilize it as a valuable asset, because anything the Diaspora achieves is FREE OF CHARGE. :?
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Postby DT. » Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:51 am

Paphitis wrote:
You're not getting what I'm saying. IF you are a citizen of Cyprus with an ID and are registered to vote then by all means vote away. My addittion to this is that I would prefer that anyone who does not live in Cyprus comes and lives for a while before they exercise this right since the impressions the diaspora has about Cyprus sometimes is warped and could lead to dangerous election choices being made.


Then we have an understanding and you realize the importance of allowing Cypriot expats the right to vote, should they wish to do so. This off course also means that you support the fact that the RoC will set up polling stations at her embassies so that voting is accessible to everyone more easily.

And those that wish to vote, are also those that more than likely have traveled to Cyprus on a continued basis, and also own property and land in Cyprus and hence they are also taxpayers. They have as much right as you have to show an active interest in Cypriot politics and cast their ballot. They are also smart enough to make an informed decision, whatever that may be because the last time I checked, Cyprus is a democracy and what may be a disaster for you would clearly not be a disaster for some one else who voted the way the did for their own personal reasons. Cypriots are more than capable of making disastrous decisions on their own, they do not need the Diaspora's help. But it is wrong for me to say this as well, because clearly most people voted in the current Government and that is just the way it is. Whether you or I agree with it or not, is neither here nor there, but we are all entitled to express ourselves as we wish, and this is what democracy is all about. :D

The point regarding the students is not whether it is right or wrong but I am merely giving you the reason that this law was passed. The parties have basically grown tired o forking out Euros to fky people over to vote for them. No opinion, just a fact.


I am glad to hear it. Polling stations should be set up wherever possible allowing all citizens the opportunity to cast a vote.

Lastly, if you made a conscience decision to begin posting things like
If you were smart you would encourage this, but alas being Cypriot and smart do not always go hand in hand
then be prepared.


No one has made a conscious decision to do anything. I just debated with you in order to try and get you to see reason by realizing that being Cypriot does not just mean living in Cyprus or being "wasted" on the Green Line. There is a Cyprus outside of your borders and the Cyprus Government, to their credit may have started to appreciate this fact. :)

You are not alone, and many of us are intelligent enough to make an informed decision. We are not silly and we are not your door mat or beneath you either.

Time to smarten up! Did you know that Turkey spends 30 million AUD lobbying Australian Government? :shock: This is the enemy you are dealing with, and Cyprus needs to play the same game, although we don't have that much money to play with or the resources. This is WHY, Cyprus needs to keep the diaspora very close and utilize it as a valuable asset, because anything the Diaspora achieves is FREE OF CHARGE. :?


There's that phrase again... :roll:

educate us re skoulloui..
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Postby DT. » Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:59 am

And by the way, if voting and Cyprus is so important to these people, then why haven't they been coming to Cyprus all these years to vote? As far as I know there have never been any significant polls done of the Melbourne vote, or the London vote or the NY vote in any election.

These people are not interested in voting, they would like to help their country as much as possible as long as it doesn't interfere with their lives (eg. quick visit to Cyprus for a spot of military service or a quick visit to Cyprus for an election because they feel so strongly about the local politics here.)

The law was passed with students in mind and not the diaspora, the diaspora has its function for their country and voting for a President of an island they may or may not have ever visited is not a priority.

One more thing.....that national service wasted argument you're chewing over and over again.....don't assume things that you know nothing about....anyone who's done the service will know what wasting away on the green line means.
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Postby YFred » Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:49 pm

Paphitis wrote:
YFred wrote:Which political party and in particular who came up with this idea?


You seem concerned that Cyprus will not abandon over 492,000 Cypriots living abroad which would leave Cyprus isolated and rich pickings for Turkey once again.

The Diaspora is watching and Turkey should be very worried... The Diaspora will never forget Cyprus and Cyprus will never forget the Diaspora and together we will remove you..

To where. Is it a nice 5 star hotel? Nothing else will do. In Lurucina, we have only have 5 star hotels, I worn you, sir!
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