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Re: Diaspora bill passed...

Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:06 am

Pongo wrote:Who, exactly, will be allowed to vote from amongst the Cypriot diaspora?
Would, for example, second-generation Cypriots in Australia have this right? The statistics mentioned by GR a few posts back, are interesting (I assume the numbers mentioned include second and third generation Cypriots in each of the countries mentioned). Whereas countries with ample resources (for example, the US) have the werewithall to verify the status of their expats abroad, does Cyprus have such resources? What safeguards would be in place to make sure there is no abuse of the system?

Any info would be appreciated.


Those statistics comprise only those that are Cypriot born and in the case of Australia, the 74,000 statistic would have been provided by the Australian Government.

This statistic does not include persons such as myself who was born in Australia. There are many more than 74,000 Cypriots in Australia.
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:11 am

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I tend to agree somehow that most of the Cypriots in the diaspora do not necessarily know much about the Cypriot political parties.


Speak for your self old man, because not everyone is the same and some of us actually take a very keen interest in Cypriot politics, analysing every minute detail. We also have the benefit of observing from a distance and this is much more beneficial than actually being in Cyprus and this also allows for more sound judgement.

In order to get a good picture of what is going on, you need to observe from a distance.
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Postby Pongo » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:18 am

Those statistics comprise only those that are Cypriot born ...


So the total of 492,000 could, theoretically, greatly influence the outcome of an election. Pleas ebear with me on this one.
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:48 am

Pongo wrote:Those statistics comprise only those that are Cypriot born ...


So the total of 492,000 could, theoretically, greatly influence the outcome of an election. Pleas ebear with me on this one.


I cannot speak about the 492,000. The 74,000 statistic seems very low as far as I am concerned and could perhaps only include those that are Cypriot born. The statistic is probably provided by the Australian Government and I am sure that Cyprus does not actually have the means to conduct a census of Cypriots living in Australia.

Bear in mind that those who are eligible to vote would only be a small fraction of the 492,000. Most will not bother obtaining Cypriot Citizenship let alone enrolling to vote. Only those that have a keen interest in the island's future would vote. I would presume that this would be less than 10%.

And yes, they could very well play a big role in Cypriot elections, just like Australians living in London play a big roll in Australian elections. Australia's largest polling station is in fact in London.

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Postby yialousa1971 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:19 am

Paphitis wrote:
DT. wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
DT. wrote:
Oracle wrote:Anything that encourages an active role in the future of the RoC can only be a good thing. It is a feedback for the external lobby groups at least.

Besides, leaving aside the daily grime of politics, and seeing the bigger picture as to which party is more high profile and focused on solving the Cyprus Problem (of burning ambition to the Diaspora) can be just as effective from a distance ....


The diaspora needs to stick to lobbying their own governments and to finally stop selling out their votes on the same promises every George, Bill or Cameron makes.

There is a difference with being a patriot and doing everything for your country within the forum of the diaspora organisations and another thing knowing the personalities and agendas of the people I'm voting for in Cyprus.

Why the hell should someone from Toronto have a say on whether the country will spend 800 million Euros on a 12 minute route from Polis to Paphos!!!


Because that someone from Toronto is a Cypriot citizen, probably even a war veteran or refugee, and is probably also more loyal to Cyprus than most Cypriots living in Cyprus.

It is not as if Cyprus has ever had strong effective governance. All we see is 1 blunder after another, the manipulation of Cypriot History being just 1 example.

We don't care about your infrastructure spending, but we do want a Cyprus that is economically sound and free from occupation. And I guarantee you that there are many Cypriots in the Diaspora that spend more man hours for this very cause, whereas most of you are apathetic!


When all these patriots have sat on the green line wasting away for 26 months along with the rest of us I will agree with you.


Give us a break.

Just because someone does national service for 26 months does not make them a patriot, especially when most do not take their service seriously. Most of you would also try and get out of it, if you could and consider national service as a waste and not a service to your country. But hey, it is an obligation you must fulfill and nothing more. It is time Cyprus taps into its Diaspora, because here uyou will find a more resilient and patriotic Cypriot. Defeatism must die, and before too long your Government will have you apologising to Turkey. :?

When we go to Cyprus, we see very few patriots. You may be different, but the fact of the matter is Cypriots are not patriotic and most do not care about the Cyprus Issue. It could be said that Cyprus is taken for granted by so many of you.

If you want to find real patriots, then you need to venture out to the US, Australia, Canada to find them. I am not saying that I am one of them, but we clearly have many people who contribute much to Cyprus in terms of the national struggle.


The Cyprus Action Network of America has done some great work, an excellent example of the Greek diaspora in America.

http://cyprusactionnetwork.org/home
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:00 am

Cypriot Citizenship

Cyprus accepts dual citizenship. Overseas Cypriots may obtain both the Cypriot citizenship, as well as the citizenship of the country of their residence or any other citizenship.

Minors (under the age of 18 ), may apply for Cypriot Citizenship, provided that they were born abroad after 16/8/1960 and their father is a Cypriot citizen or they were born after 11/6/199 and their mother is a Cypriot citizen. Also, minors may apply for citizenship, if they were born either in Cyprus or abroad before 11/6/1999 and their mother is a Cypriot citizen or their father acquired the Cypriot citizenship after their birth.

Adults (over the age of 18 ), who are of Cypriot origin and were born before 16/8/1960, may apply for Cypriot Citizenship. Also, any overseas Cypriot, who was born after 16/8/1960, regardless of the place of his/her residence, may apply for Citizenship. Persons of Cypriot origin, born either before or after 16/8/1960 and are British citizens or citizens of any commonwealth country and are legally residing in the Republic of Cyprus for a period of one year they may also apply to become Cypriot citizens.

The applications for citizenship should be submitted to the Consular Authorities; in the case the applicants are in Cyprus, they can submit their application to the Civil Registry and Migration Department offices or to the District Administration Offices.


Identity Cards, Passports and Voting Card

Overseas and/or repatriated Cypriots are eligible and may apply for a Cypriot identity card and passport, as well as to be registered in the electoral list, provided that they fulfill the criteria and the prerequisites, which are determined by the respective legislations and regulations.


http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/portal/portal. ... 20Cypriots
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:35 am

yialousa1971 wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
DT. wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
DT. wrote:
Oracle wrote:Anything that encourages an active role in the future of the RoC can only be a good thing. It is a feedback for the external lobby groups at least.

Besides, leaving aside the daily grime of politics, and seeing the bigger picture as to which party is more high profile and focused on solving the Cyprus Problem (of burning ambition to the Diaspora) can be just as effective from a distance ....


The diaspora needs to stick to lobbying their own governments and to finally stop selling out their votes on the same promises every George, Bill or Cameron makes.

There is a difference with being a patriot and doing everything for your country within the forum of the diaspora organisations and another thing knowing the personalities and agendas of the people I'm voting for in Cyprus.

Why the hell should someone from Toronto have a say on whether the country will spend 800 million Euros on a 12 minute route from Polis to Paphos!!!


Because that someone from Toronto is a Cypriot citizen, probably even a war veteran or refugee, and is probably also more loyal to Cyprus than most Cypriots living in Cyprus.

It is not as if Cyprus has ever had strong effective governance. All we see is 1 blunder after another, the manipulation of Cypriot History being just 1 example.

We don't care about your infrastructure spending, but we do want a Cyprus that is economically sound and free from occupation. And I guarantee you that there are many Cypriots in the Diaspora that spend more man hours for this very cause, whereas most of you are apathetic!


When all these patriots have sat on the green line wasting away for 26 months along with the rest of us I will agree with you.


Give us a break.

Just because someone does national service for 26 months does not make them a patriot, especially when most do not take their service seriously. Most of you would also try and get out of it, if you could and consider national service as a waste and not a service to your country. But hey, it is an obligation you must fulfill and nothing more. It is time Cyprus taps into its Diaspora, because here uyou will find a more resilient and patriotic Cypriot. Defeatism must die, and before too long your Government will have you apologising to Turkey. :?

When we go to Cyprus, we see very few patriots. You may be different, but the fact of the matter is Cypriots are not patriotic and most do not care about the Cyprus Issue. It could be said that Cyprus is taken for granted by so many of you.

If you want to find real patriots, then you need to venture out to the US, Australia, Canada to find them. I am not saying that I am one of them, but we clearly have many people who contribute much to Cyprus in terms of the national struggle.


The Cyprus Action Network of America has done some great work, an excellent example of the Greek diaspora in America.

http://cyprusactionnetwork.org/home


There are many more examples. There are many in the Cypriot Diaspora who work very hard and with very little support. They should all be very proud of themselves. These are the "True Cypriots". :)
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:43 am

Get Real! wrote:Cypriot Citizenship

Cyprus accepts dual citizenship. Overseas Cypriots may obtain both the Cypriot citizenship, as well as the citizenship of the country of their residence or any other citizenship.

Minors (under the age of 18 ), may apply for Cypriot Citizenship, provided that they were born abroad after 16/8/1960 and their father is a Cypriot citizen or they were born after 11/6/199 and their mother is a Cypriot citizen. Also, minors may apply for citizenship, if they were born either in Cyprus or abroad before 11/6/1999 and their mother is a Cypriot citizen or their father acquired the Cypriot citizenship after their birth.

Adults (over the age of 18 ), who are of Cypriot origin and were born before 16/8/1960, may apply for Cypriot Citizenship. Also, any overseas Cypriot, who was born after 16/8/1960, regardless of the place of his/her residence, may apply for Citizenship. Persons of Cypriot origin, born either before or after 16/8/1960 and are British citizens or citizens of any commonwealth country and are legally residing in the Republic of Cyprus for a period of one year they may also apply to become Cypriot citizens.

The applications for citizenship should be submitted to the Consular Authorities; in the case the applicants are in Cyprus, they can submit their application to the Civil Registry and Migration Department offices or to the District Administration Offices.


Identity Cards, Passports and Voting Card

Overseas and/or repatriated Cypriots are eligible and may apply for a Cypriot identity card and passport, as well as to be registered in the electoral list, provided that they fulfill the criteria and the prerequisites, which are determined by the respective legislations and regulations.


http://www.cyprus.gov.cy/portal/portal. ... 20Cypriots


Thanks GR!

I did once apply for Cypriot citizenship in 1992 and was declined as my father had left Cyprus before 1960 and was never a Cypriot citizen. At least that is what I was told by Consular staff.

I then gave up on attaining Cypriot Citizenship as this would have affected my security vetting and hence my career. I again applied in 2006, but bypassed the Cyprus High Commission in Canberra. I was issued the passport and ID card in 3 weeks flat. :)

I have not registered to vote and will only do so if there is another referendum. I would go to an extraordinary lengths in order to cast my vote in this referendum if I deem the proposed solution to be another Annasn Plan disaster.
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Postby Paphitis » Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:14 am



Thanks again GR!

Only issue that I have with the above is that the RoC has no services or support for the Cypriot Diaspora.

Also, the attitude of some Cypriots towards the diaspora is very disappointing. DT is not the only person to have ridiculous assertions that in order to be a "patriot" you must spend 26 months on the green line. I am sorry, but being "forced to serve" (wasting!) only just proves that many Cypriots are not doing their 26 months with pride and servitude towards their nation. Serving the CNG should be considered an adventure, where new friendships and bonds are formed which will last a lifetime. Cypriots should also feel proud in the knowledge that they are serving their country and not view this as a chore!

Also, The Cypriot Communities of Australia are divided along political lines. They are attended by predominantly persons over the age of 60. The Cypriot youth is a very rare sight, which is very disappointing, and this will be the destruction of the Diaspora in the long term.

I myself have learned to stay well away from The Cypriot Community. In fact these clubs have been infiltrated by persons who have strong leniency's to AKEL (Platones) and Labor Party. Persons such as myself were never tolerated and are ostracised, so we just stay away and do not bother to involve ourselves with this type of mentality.

The issue is all about the Cypriot Diaspora being allowed the right to vote should they wish to do so. I feel very comfortable with the fact that Australian citizens are able to exercise their democratic rights whilst living abroad and the Cypriot people should feel the same about the Cypriot diaspora enjoying the same rights. The Cyprus Government has done very well by passing this Bill, but I cannot help but think that there is a catch.

Cyprus needs to build more bridges with the Diaspora, and make them feel as though their opinions really do count and that we are not viewed as insignificant "foreigners" who have not "wasted" :? 26 months on the Green Line.

Make no mistake about it, the Cypriot Diaspora is Terminally Ill and is in urgent need of Cypriot Life Support!

The Diaspora is a vital asset to Cyprus and should not be neglected.

At present many Cypriots feel quite betrayed. Many have the impression that the RoC deems Turkey as more more important than the diaspora. In fact it is really strange that even Turkish settlers are now enjoying more rights than the diaspora is, many of which are refugees and still carry the emotional scars and even mental health issues as a result of the 74 invasion.

Cyprus has lost hundreds of very good people to foreign countries such as Australia, US, UK, and Canada. Many are big achievers in science, research, politics, medicine, law, the arts and in business. Cyprus needs to get back to basics and reproach those that really matter. I don't think that Cyprus can afford to lose any more citizens forever.

The manipulation of Cypriot history is also a very big issue for many of us. We cannot but help to think that this issue alone could be our undoing in the near future. It is Turkey that should be apologising to Cypriots and not the other way around. Just because we lost one battle in 74 does not mean that Cypriots should capitulate and surrender to the enemy just because they view their situation as hopeless. Might does not make right, and defeatism in Cyprus must die otherwise it will consume you all. To help put an end to this defeatism, Cyprus needs to take a VERY close look at some of the wonderful Cypriots living in Australia, UK, US, and Canada. These patriots never give up and are forever trying to fight for something they believe in, even against hopeless odds. The parents of these Cypriots could be a refugee, an Adana POW, or both. Some have also spent 26 months on the Green Line as well, but I am sure they do not consider this time as "wasted". Some are also just your average Cypriot doing their little bit whatever that may be, but any contribution should be respected no matter what, regardless of the fact that some Cypriots have not "wasted" :? on the Green Line.

The attitude expressed by DT and others will only see many more Cypriots give up their heritage and turn their back on Cyprus forever. And the loser will be Cyprus and not the Diaspora.
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