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Diaspora voting bill passed...

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Postby miltiades » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:31 pm

DT. wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:...but would you have to be a registered, official CY citizen with say a CY ID card to take part in this or is it sufficient to be able to show the usual CY ancestry?


You have to a Citizen of the Republic of Cyprus with a valid electoral registration book.

I'm not too crazy about this. People who have no clue of Cyprus and its politics should not be voting. There should be a minimum time period you need to live on the island before you are allowed to vote.

I tend to agree somehow that most of the Cypriots in the diaspora do not necessarily know much about the Cypriot political parties.
I for one would not cast my vote having decided that I shall support whatever party my fellow compatriots living and working in Cyprus have chosen to lead them.
I have intentionally refrained from getting involved in Cypriot inter party politics. Express an opinion yes by cast a vote No , unless I lived and worked in Cyprus.
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Postby Paphitis » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:37 pm

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Oracle wrote:Anything that encourages an active role in the future of the RoC can only be a good thing. It is a feedback for the external lobby groups at least.

Besides, leaving aside the daily grime of politics, and seeing the bigger picture as to which party is more high profile and focused on solving the Cyprus Problem (of burning ambition to the Diaspora) can be just as effective from a distance ....


The diaspora needs to stick to lobbying their own governments and to finally stop selling out their votes on the same promises every George, Bill or Cameron makes.

There is a difference with being a patriot and doing everything for your country within the forum of the diaspora organisations and another thing knowing the personalities and agendas of the people I'm voting for in Cyprus.

Why the hell should someone from Toronto have a say on whether the country will spend 800 million Euros on a 12 minute route from Polis to Paphos!!!


Because that someone from Toronto is a Cypriot citizen, probably even a war veteran or refugee, and is probably also more loyal to Cyprus than most Cypriots living in Cyprus.

It is not as if Cyprus has ever had strong effective governance. All we see is 1 blunder after another, the manipulation of Cypriot History being just 1 example.

We don't care about your infrastructure spending, but we do want a Cyprus that is economically sound and free from occupation. And I guarantee you that there are many Cypriots in the Diaspora that spend more man hours for this very cause, whereas most of you are apathetic!
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Postby DT. » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:47 pm

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DT. wrote:
Oracle wrote:Anything that encourages an active role in the future of the RoC can only be a good thing. It is a feedback for the external lobby groups at least.

Besides, leaving aside the daily grime of politics, and seeing the bigger picture as to which party is more high profile and focused on solving the Cyprus Problem (of burning ambition to the Diaspora) can be just as effective from a distance ....


The diaspora needs to stick to lobbying their own governments and to finally stop selling out their votes on the same promises every George, Bill or Cameron makes.

There is a difference with being a patriot and doing everything for your country within the forum of the diaspora organisations and another thing knowing the personalities and agendas of the people I'm voting for in Cyprus.

Why the hell should someone from Toronto have a say on whether the country will spend 800 million Euros on a 12 minute route from Polis to Paphos!!!


Because that someone from Toronto is a Cypriot citizen, probably even a war veteran or refugee, and is probably also more loyal to Cyprus than most Cypriots living in Cyprus.

It is not as if Cyprus has ever had strong effective governance. All we see is 1 blunder after another, the manipulation of Cypriot History being just 1 example.

We don't care about your infrastructure spending, but we do want a Cyprus that is economically sound and free from occupation. And I guarantee you that there are many Cypriots in the Diaspora that spend more man hours for this very cause, whereas most of you are apathetic!


When all these patriots have sat on the green line wasting away for 26 months along with the rest of us I will agree with you.
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Postby lovernomore » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:53 pm

Paphitis wrote:
DT. wrote:
Oracle wrote:Anything that encourages an active role in the future of the RoC can only be a good thing. It is a feedback for the external lobby groups at least.

Besides, leaving aside the daily grime of politics, and seeing the bigger picture as to which party is more high profile and focused on solving the Cyprus Problem (of burning ambition to the Diaspora) can be just as effective from a distance ....


The diaspora needs to stick to lobbying their own governments and to finally stop selling out their votes on the same promises every George, Bill or Cameron makes.

There is a difference with being a patriot and doing everything for your country within the forum of the diaspora organisations and another thing knowing the personalities and agendas of the people I'm voting for in Cyprus.

Why the hell should someone from Toronto have a say on whether the country will spend 800 million Euros on a 12 minute route from Polis to Paphos!!!


Because that someone from Toronto is a Cypriot citizen, probably even a war veteran or refugee, and is probably also more loyal to Cyprus than most Cypriots living in Cyprus.

It is not as if Cyprus has ever had strong effective governance. All we see is 1 blunder after another, the manipulation of Cypriot History being just 1 example.
We don't care about your infrastructure spending, but we do want a Cyprus that is economically sound and free from occupation. And I guarantee you that there are many Cypriots in the Diaspora that spend more man hours for this very cause, whereas most of you are apathetic!


Theier are a few versions of Cyprus historey that we now of, Please tell us which one you like.
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:56 pm

Will Cypriots be allowed to vote also on Referendums.?

I personally think it is a good idea, that a citizen can vote for certain offices in their country of origin or citizenship. Take me for an example. The USA has a system, where their citizens can vote in US elections if one lives abroad and those serving in the US military. I have a "permanent overseas absentee status" in order to vote in the US from abroad, and since I live in Switzerland, the county registrar’s office that I'm registered with in California, sends me all the ballots and information on candidates about 6 weeks before voting. However, the only offices I can vote for as follows.

1. Presidential Candidates during Primaries
2. Presidential Candidates
3. House of Representative who only represent's my county in California
4. US Senate seat from California

I cannot vote on any local elections in California what so ever, including any bond measures and any initiatives or the Governor’s office. These are all reserved for the tax payers to decide, but as an American citizen, I want to have a say who is running the Federal Government. As American citizens, this is the least everyone should be expected to do, and the least the US government can allow it's citizens to do when living abroad.!
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Postby bill cobbett » Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:26 pm

Like many above I have not a great interest in CY internal politics.

There is only one issue I would dearly love to have a vote on and that is something very dear to all of us and something that many, many in the Diaspora have real interests in and passion about and that of course is the Turkish Problem.

Would be nice to have the chance to vote OXI to any future concessionist plan.
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Postby Oracle » Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:33 pm

DT. wrote:
Oracle wrote:Anything that encourages an active role in the future of the RoC can only be a good thing. It is a feedback for the external lobby groups at least.

Besides, leaving aside the daily grime of politics, and seeing the bigger picture as to which party is more high profile and focused on solving the Cyprus Problem (of burning ambition to the Diaspora) can be just as effective from a distance ....


The diaspora needs to stick to lobbying their own governments and to finally stop selling out their votes on the same promises every George, Bill or Cameron makes.

There is a difference with being a patriot and doing everything for your country within the forum of the diaspora organisations and another thing knowing the personalities and agendas of the people I'm voting for in Cyprus.

Why the hell should someone from Toronto have a say on whether the country will spend 800 million Euros on a 12 minute route from Polis to Paphos!!!


With all due respect DT.

We are all transitory as far as the long term good of the country is concerned. I don't know of any Cypriot Diaspora who do not have homes / attachments in Cyprus. Therefore one way or the other, they will be tax payers, although not at the level of most residents. But then again someone like you, may pay way more in taxes than a street sweeper ... but that does not mean, he does not have a right to as much say in spending power for infrastructure, as yourself.

The long-term benefits to Cyprus, of so much continuing support, from the Diaspora, is paramount ... especially faced with the bleakness of so many Turkish Settlers to "neutralize", at some point :wink:
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Postby DT. » Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:44 pm

Oracle wrote:
DT. wrote:
Oracle wrote:Anything that encourages an active role in the future of the RoC can only be a good thing. It is a feedback for the external lobby groups at least.

Besides, leaving aside the daily grime of politics, and seeing the bigger picture as to which party is more high profile and focused on solving the Cyprus Problem (of burning ambition to the Diaspora) can be just as effective from a distance ....


The diaspora needs to stick to lobbying their own governments and to finally stop selling out their votes on the same promises every George, Bill or Cameron makes.

There is a difference with being a patriot and doing everything for your country within the forum of the diaspora organisations and another thing knowing the personalities and agendas of the people I'm voting for in Cyprus.

Why the hell should someone from Toronto have a say on whether the country will spend 800 million Euros on a 12 minute route from Polis to Paphos!!!


With all due respect DT.

We are all transitory as far as the long term good of the country is concerned. I don't know of any Cypriot Diaspora who do not have homes / attachments in Cyprus. Therefore one way or the other, they will be tax payers, although not at the level of most residents. But then again someone like you, may pay way more in taxes than a street sweeper ... but that does not mean, he does not have a right to as much say in spending power for infrastructure, as yourself.

The long-term benefits to Cyprus, of so much continuing support, from the Diaspora, is paramount ... especially faced with the bleakness of so many Turkish Settlers to "neutralize", at some point :wink:


I didn't think I mentioned tax anywhere Mrs O. You have however analysed to me the benefits of the support of the diaspora to Cyprus and not the benefits of direct involvement in municipal, parliamentary and presidential elections.

Its very simple, if you're a citizen of the Republic of Cyprus then you should be able to vote.

This law BTW was not passed for the diaspora but for the students.
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Postby Oracle » Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:52 pm

DT. wrote:
Oracle wrote:
DT. wrote:
Oracle wrote:Anything that encourages an active role in the future of the RoC can only be a good thing. It is a feedback for the external lobby groups at least.

Besides, leaving aside the daily grime of politics, and seeing the bigger picture as to which party is more high profile and focused on solving the Cyprus Problem (of burning ambition to the Diaspora) can be just as effective from a distance ....


The diaspora needs to stick to lobbying their own governments and to finally stop selling out their votes on the same promises every George, Bill or Cameron makes.

There is a difference with being a patriot and doing everything for your country within the forum of the diaspora organisations and another thing knowing the personalities and agendas of the people I'm voting for in Cyprus.

Why the hell should someone from Toronto have a say on whether the country will spend 800 million Euros on a 12 minute route from Polis to Paphos!!!


With all due respect DT.

We are all transitory as far as the long term good of the country is concerned. I don't know of any Cypriot Diaspora who do not have homes / attachments in Cyprus. Therefore one way or the other, they will be tax payers, although not at the level of most residents. But then again someone like you, may pay way more in taxes than a street sweeper ... but that does not mean, he does not have a right to as much say in spending power for infrastructure, as yourself.

The long-term benefits to Cyprus, of so much continuing support, from the Diaspora, is paramount ... especially faced with the bleakness of so many Turkish Settlers to "neutralize", at some point :wink:


I didn't think I mentioned tax anywhere Mrs O. You have however analysed to me the benefits of the support of the diaspora to Cyprus and not the benefits of direct involvement in municipal, parliamentary and presidential elections.

Its very simple, if you're a citizen of the Republic of Cyprus then you should be able to vote.

This law BTW was not passed for the diaspora but for the students.


You got up my goat by mentioning my home turf ... :D

Why the hell should someone from Toronto have a say on whether the country will spend 800 million Euros on a 12 minute route from Polis to Paphos!
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Postby DT. » Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:59 pm

Oracle wrote:
DT. wrote:
Oracle wrote:
DT. wrote:
Oracle wrote:Anything that encourages an active role in the future of the RoC can only be a good thing. It is a feedback for the external lobby groups at least.

Besides, leaving aside the daily grime of politics, and seeing the bigger picture as to which party is more high profile and focused on solving the Cyprus Problem (of burning ambition to the Diaspora) can be just as effective from a distance ....


The diaspora needs to stick to lobbying their own governments and to finally stop selling out their votes on the same promises every George, Bill or Cameron makes.

There is a difference with being a patriot and doing everything for your country within the forum of the diaspora organisations and another thing knowing the personalities and agendas of the people I'm voting for in Cyprus.

Why the hell should someone from Toronto have a say on whether the country will spend 800 million Euros on a 12 minute route from Polis to Paphos!!!


With all due respect DT.

We are all transitory as far as the long term good of the country is concerned. I don't know of any Cypriot Diaspora who do not have homes / attachments in Cyprus. Therefore one way or the other, they will be tax payers, although not at the level of most residents. But then again someone like you, may pay way more in taxes than a street sweeper ... but that does not mean, he does not have a right to as much say in spending power for infrastructure, as yourself.

The long-term benefits to Cyprus, of so much continuing support, from the Diaspora, is paramount ... especially faced with the bleakness of so many Turkish Settlers to "neutralize", at some point :wink:


I didn't think I mentioned tax anywhere Mrs O. You have however analysed to me the benefits of the support of the diaspora to Cyprus and not the benefits of direct involvement in municipal, parliamentary and presidential elections.

Its very simple, if you're a citizen of the Republic of Cyprus then you should be able to vote.

This law BTW was not passed for the diaspora but for the students.


You got up my goat by mentioning my home turf ... :D

Why the hell should someone from Toronto have a say on whether the country will spend 800 million Euros on a 12 minute route from Polis to Paphos!


I KNEW THATS WHAT GOT YOU!!!!!

I bet you're behind this white elephant....Nearly a billion Euros so that the muchtaris of Polis can visit Pittokopitis 6 minutes faster! :lol:
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