Bananiot wrote:I cannot really respond to Piratis's logic for the simple reason that he thinks that democracy is just a matter of statistics. No matter what anyone says the mind of such people cannot be changed. Piratis believes that the majority has a sovereign right over the minority and if the majority decides to annihilate the minority then this is the democratic right of the majority. We have been through this one thousand times and Piratis has not learnt a single thing.
Let me return to the enclaves issue. The question that begs an answer is who guided and kept the turkish cypriots into the enclaves and a life of misery and pain. The liars in the Greek Cypriot community say that it was their choice. The truth of the matter is that the Turkish Cypriots were forced into the enclaves by the strong pressure of TMT, their fear of Greek Cypriot attacks and the actions of the legal government of Cyprus. Makarios, speaking in Athens on February 6 1967 was quite revealing. He said:What kind of a new Turkish Cypriot generation will be produced in Cyprus when everything is in the hands of the Greeks? For how long will they last? May be for 3, 5 or 10 months, I cannot be sure. The Turks will then give in. Their morale is extremely low.
Makarios admits here what the defendants of the true history deny. That the aim for keeping the Turkish Cypriots in enclaves was to squeeze them to submission. There were 33 road blocks at the time around the enclaves as well as check points and all persons going in or out were checked out. There was a list of products that were not allowed in the enclaves. Among them were spare parts for cars! The worst, the government would allow Turkish Cypriots to go abroad for studies but upon concluding their studies they were not allowed to return to Cyprus!
How many Greek Cypriot pupils know of the above? The answer is no body knows these horrific details. We have been telling our kids that the Turkish Cypriots went into the enclaves willingly and that this was the policy of Turkey. These kind of lies have produced a nation of ignorant imbeciles like a few of the Greek Cypriots that write in this forum and make decent Greek Cypriots ashamed of what they are.
You can not defeat my arguments so you put words in my mouth and defeat them instead. What you do actually has a name. It is called the "Straw Man Fallacy" http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html
I never said anything about the right of majority to "annihilate the minority".
I am talking about the right of the Cypriot people for self-determination. To determine the destiny of their own island in a democratic way and unite (if they want) with whomever they want to unite, Greece, EU or whatever.
The TCs, with the encouragement of Turkey and UK, attacked us in the 50s starting the inter-communal conflict with the aim to refuse to Cyprus its self-determination rights and have gains on our expense, which were granted to them by the British with the 1960 "agreements" which were forced on the Cypriot people. We simply fought back seeking our rights. Noting more than that.
What Makarios did in the 60s had one aim: To bring democracy. If the Turks had accepted democracy (=one person - one vote, majority rule, minority rights) then the conflict would not continue. But the TCs insisted on continuing the conflict they started in the 50s with the aim to maintain the unfair privileges that were granted to them by the British and Turks.
What did you expect us to do? To just sit there and be second category citizens on our own country? Sorry Bananiot, but we had enough of the Ottoman Style privileges granted to the Muslims by foreigners on our expense. We are were not living in the Ottoman era anymore. Every Cypriot should be equal citizen and there was no way we could tolerate any more racist discriminations on our expense anymore.
These are the facts.
