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[paaul12]

im intrested to see how turkey will reply to christophias when he says troops out or no eu

Probably tell him to fcuk off, and remind him of his country’s position, which in the scale of things is insignificant, and he should really be aware of his position in context of the “Bigger Picture” EU wants, it gets!!!!

[Viewpoint]

im intrested to see how turkey will reply to christophias when he says troops out or no eu

That question will not arise because, the Cyprus problem will be resolved soon, and the Troops will revert back to 1960 levels.

The EU question will not be asked for another 10 years yet.
Turkey does not have that much to lose either way, because they already have a special relationship and they trade very well already.

There is no problem about the troops in Cyprus. They will go after the agreement.

If GC's had agreed, most would have gone by now.

The point of the troops is to force the illegal occupation of our land. If we agree to surrender our land to you with something like the Annan plan, the of course the troops would not be needed to force the occupation, because the occupation would be legalized. As I hope you understood already, we are not stupid to legalize the occupation of our land by others.

Our aim is to get our land back. If our land is under occupation by others, it really matters little who those others are.

So you adocate we tell the Turkish army to leave, where would that leave us? with 20.000 Greek and GC soldiers and 100.000 armed reservists waiting for the opportunity to get the upper hand, can you really see us being that stupid? they will go once we have agreed to a comprehensive solution.

You are not after a compromise. I asked from you in another thread to name one compromise that you are willing to make from what is legally yours, and your answer was "63% of Cyprus"

So basically you are willing to make absolutely no compromise, you are just occupying our land and trying to blackmail us and force us to accept some form of partition that would make you the legal rulers of the north part of our country, which belongs by 82% to us.

You conveniently forget that Cyprus belongs 100% to everyone, you have been offered 71% yet you still want more, arent you being greedy??? The individual rights of refugees will be assessed seperately so anticipating your standard response that you own 82% is irrelevant.

We own the 82% and we are greedy because we want that 82% which is ours?

You own 18%, and you want 29%-37%, that makes you the greedy ones obviously!

Apparently you are still unable to find even a single compromise that you are willing to make from what is legally yours. And still you demand a ton of such compromises from us, even compromises of our basic human and democratic rights!

You are confusing individual property rights with the right to govern your own GC state, the proerty rights of individuals will be addressed seperately, you only do this so as not to accept that er ae cmpromisig by giving you 71%. Obviously we cannot see eye to eye on this issue.

Another compromise is the removal of Turkish troops.

[Piratis]

Turkey should consider her EU accession as impossible already.

Europeans simply don't want Turkey in EU. They saw what a Turkish minority can do to a country, and they don't want such problems for themselves.

Cyprus will be glad to say the big "Fuck off" to Turkey, on behalf of the vast majority of the European people.

[paliometoxo]

im intrested to see how turkey will reply to christophias when he says troops out or no eu

Probably tell him to fcuk off, and remind him of his country’s position, which in the scale of things is insignificant, and he should really be aware of his position in context of the “Bigger Picture” EU wants, it gets!!!!

they probably will, there is no way they will remove troops on account of eu, instead they go to eu direct and try convince them to forget cyprus and take turkey then eu laughs and says no, they desperatly try anything so they have have two states and join eu.

but you see most of the eu countries dont want turkey as a member..germany france to name a few

[Piratis]

im intrested to see how turkey will reply to christophias when he says troops out or no eu

That question will not arise because, the Cyprus problem will be resolved soon, and the Troops will revert back to 1960 levels.

The EU question will not be asked for another 10 years yet.
Turkey does not have that much to lose either way, because they already have a special relationship and they trade very well already.

There is no problem about the troops in Cyprus. They will go after the agreement.

If GC's had agreed, most would have gone by now.

The point of the troops is to force the illegal occupation of our land. If we agree to surrender our land to you with something like the Annan plan, the of course the troops would not be needed to force the occupation, because the occupation would be legalized. As I hope you understood already, we are not stupid to legalize the occupation of our land by others.

Our aim is to get our land back. If our land is under occupation by others, it really matters little who those others are.

So you adocate we tell the Turkish army to leave, where would that leave us? with 20.000 Greek and GC soldiers and 100.000 armed reservists waiting for the opportunity to get the upper hand, can you really see us being that stupid? they will go once we have agreed to a comprehensive solution.

You are not after a compromise. I asked from you in another thread to name one compromise that you are willing to make from what is legally yours, and your answer was "63% of Cyprus"

So basically you are willing to make absolutely no compromise, you are just occupying our land and trying to blackmail us and force us to accept some form of partition that would make you the legal rulers of the north part of our country, which belongs by 82% to us.

You conveniently forget that Cyprus belongs 100% to everyone, you have been offered 71% yet you still want more, arent you being greedy??? The individual rights of refugees will be assessed seperately so anticipating your standard response that you own 82% is irrelevant.

We own the 82% and we are greedy because we want that 82% which is ours?

You own 18%, and you want 29%-37%, that makes you the greedy ones obviously!

Apparently you are still unable to find even a single compromise that you are willing to make from what is legally yours. And still you demand a ton of such compromises from us, even compromises of our basic human and democratic rights!

You are confusing individual property rights with the right to govern your own GC state, the proerty rights of individuals will be addressed seperately, you only do this so as not to accept that er ae cmpromisig by giving you 71%. Obviously we cannot see eye to eye on this issue.

Another compromise is the removal of Turkish troops.

The 100% of Cyprus belongs to Republic of Cyprus, and Republic of Cyprus is a unitary state. You are illegally occupying 1/3rd of Republic of Cyprus, and the Turkish occupation troops are in Cyprus again illegally.

So again you failed to give even one thing that you are willing to compromise from what is legally yours.

You just prove what I said: That you are illegally occupying our lands, and you are trying to blackmail us and force us to accept your terms of partition. You are making absolutely no compromise.

[Viewpoint]

You have revealed your true face that you do not see TCs as your equals you need to wake up to the fact that we to own Cyprus' the TCs have rights you cannot and we will make sure you do not ignore us or try as is the case in the past to try and push us to one side.

The compromise which you will never admit is to allow you the right to a GC state on 71% of our country.

[Kikapu]

You have revealed your true face that you do not see TCs as your equals you need to wake up to the fact that we to own Cyprus' the TCs have rights you cannot and we will make sure you do not ignore us or try as is the case in the past to try and push us to one side.

The compromise which you will never admit is to allow you the right to a GC state on 71% of our country.

How did you come to 71%-29% figure anyway, VP.??

Even taking the 4:1 ratios between the GC's and the TC's in 1960, which was perhaps the highest number for the TC's, as suppose to today when only about 100,000-120,000 True TC's are in Cyprus..

Please explain.!

[Piratis]

You have revealed your true face that you do not see TCs as your equals you need to wake up to the fact that we to own Cyprus' the TCs have rights you cannot and we will make sure you do not ignore us or try as is the case in the past to try and push us to one side.

The compromise which you will never admit is to allow you the right to a GC state on 71% of our country.

So partition is your compromise?

You couldn't prove in any better way how uncompromising you are and that what you want is for us to make all the compromises and accept your outrageous demands.

[Piratis]

You have revealed your true face that you do not see TCs as your equals you need to wake up to the fact that we to own Cyprus' the TCs have rights you cannot and we will make sure you do not ignore us or try as is the case in the past to try and push us to one side.

The compromise which you will never admit is to allow you the right to a GC state on 71% of our country.

How did you come to 71%-29% figure anyway, VP.??

Even taking the 4:1 ratios between the GC's and the TC's in 1960, which was perhaps the highest number for the TC's, as suppose to today when only about 100,000-120,000 True TC's are in Cyprus..

Please explain.!

Just a correction Kikapu. In 1960 the TCs have been less than 1 in 5, not 1 in 4, this remained the same until 1974. But today they are even less than that, since most of them have replaced by Anatolian Turks.

[Viewpoint]

You have revealed your true face that you do not see TCs as your equals you need to wake up to the fact that we to own Cyprus' the TCs have rights you cannot and we will make sure you do not ignore us or try as is the case in the past to try and push us to one side.

The compromise which you will never admit is to allow you the right to a GC state on 71% of our country.

How did you come to 71%-29% figure anyway, VP.??

Even taking the 4:1 ratios between the GC's and the TC's in 1960, which was perhaps the highest number for the TC's, as suppose to today when only about 100,000-120,000 True TC's are in Cyprus..

Please explain.!

AP and all previously negotiating % have been around this %.