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[Oracle]

For overwhelming majority of TCs and Turks, Turkish troops in TRNC has never been considered as occupation army neither the TRNC as an occupied territory

As I said, only the Turks ignore what is right and acceptable. The EU and the President have stated, categorically, that the troops must leave for any progress towards Turkish EU consideration. They are not interested in how many ex-TCs and Turks think otherwise.

In the last 100 years, I believe that TCs, Brits, Turkey, US and UN did their best to build a consociational governance structure for 2 communities to coexist peacefully.

What more proof do you want that you can't fake facts and force unfair rights against the majority of the people by elevating the power of a minority group.

As for the rest of your rant about Greek and Turkish relations ... it does not figure here, nor there!

Consociaionalism has never been considered as a fake fact and unfair rights against any ethnic groups on planet earth. Only the greedy numerical majorities like Hellenic ultra nationalist exerts to distort it's meaning or make it fail.

As to the Turco-Greco relations, hope it figures more frequently as much as it could be to make some blinds like u to see and feel it deeply.

How are the GCs greedy? Because we still "greedily" have 60% of our island that you think you deserve on top of everything else you have stolen, and wish to excuse by some convoluted, unworkable, archaic system that just suits "Lord insan the greedy-guts"?

[insan]

For overwhelming majority of TCs and Turks, Turkish troops in TRNC has never been considered as occupation army neither the TRNC as an occupied territory

As I said, only the Turks ignore what is right and acceptable. The EU and the President have stated, categorically, that the troops must leave for any progress towards Turkish EU consideration. They are not interested in how many ex-TCs and Turks think otherwise.

In the last 100 years, I believe that TCs, Brits, Turkey, US and UN did their best to build a consociational governance structure for 2 communities to coexist peacefully.

What more proof do you want that you can't fake facts and force unfair rights against the majority of the people by elevating the power of a minority group.

As for the rest of your rant about Greek and Turkish relations ... it does not figure here, nor there!

Consociaionalism has never been considered as a fake fact and unfair rights against any ethnic groups on planet earth. Only the greedy numerical majorities like Hellenic ultra nationalist exerts to distort it's meaning or make it fail.

As to the Turco-Greco relations, hope it figures more frequently as much as it could be to make some blinds like u to see and feel it deeply.

How are the GCs greedy? Because we still "greedily" have 60% of our island that you think you deserve on top of everything else you have stolen, and wish to excuse by some convoluted, unworkable, archaic system that just suits "Lord insan the greedy-guts"?

U r so ridiculous, Oracle. In any case; be it a united Cyprus or partitioned, total land belongs to TCs won't be more than %29. This has been negotiated by both parties and agreed by TCs. I'm not sure whether any of ur leaders agreed on this. In mid 70s Makarios and Denktash had also agreed a percentage around %32 or so, if i don't remember wrong. The percentages of land and properties belong to each community r all registered on official documents. In any case, be it either a unified Cyprus or partitioned; these documents and the current commercial viability of the land will be taken into consideration when it concerns abt the land ownership of 2 communities. In the current situation and backwards till 1974 period of time, u have no right to insult TCs as thieves stole GC properties in Northern Cyprus. TCs r ready to reduce the land size they have been currently inhabiting on to 29%, restitute a particular amount of private properties to their original owners(in a unified Cyprus), exchange TC properties left behind in South with what GCs left behind in North, in some cases when required pay the compensation or get paid the compensation...

According to ur ultra-nationalist, brain-washed mentality; eveything TCs have done r just excuses to steal ur land and deprive u from ur political and human rights. May i ask is there anything TCs have done, throughout our common history that does not constitute an excuse but a good move? According to ur ill-mentality; as long as a TC supports ur "national cause" he is a good TC; otherwise, "thieves", "neo-partitionists", "mongo-otto-Turks", "undeducated plonkers", "barabarians" just to name a few...

[Oracle]

For every minute that you unlawfully hold land that is not yours ... and you have finally admitted is not yours ... then the term "thief" describes you very well.

The sum total of the state of affairs, is that the majority (GCs) have slaved and served for the material prosperity of one minority (TCs) ... In most other places this would have been grounds for a revolution!

[insan]

For every minute that you unlawfully hold land that is not yours ... and you have finally admitted is not yours ... then the term "thief" describes you very well.

The sum total of the state of affairs, is that the majority (GCs) have slaved and served for the material prosperity of one minority (TCs) ... In most other places this would have been grounds for a revolution!

Finally admitted? That was what even Denktash had said during the Talks between Makarios and him and successors of Denktash also reaffirmed it. It's not something new. I guess u were deaf nad blind till i "admitted" it. Yes, u better use it in quotes as "thief", instead thief without quotes then this way we can understand that u have some ideas how the struggle of "political equality" vs "majority rule" has been led us.

[kentish]

For every minute that you unlawfully hold land that is not yours ... and you have finally admitted is not yours ... then the term "thief" describes you very well.

The sum total of the state of affairs, is that the majority (GCs) have slaved and served for the material prosperity of one minority (TCs) ... In most other places this would have been grounds for a revolution!

this is way i love to login and read some the drivel written on this forum. i have to lift myself off the floor and stop laughing.morons write stuff in a way that they think is truly factual.if you lot uttered this rubbish in public to an audiance you would be locked up until you got your sanity back

[Oracle]

Facts? ... But I was debating with insan

He can't handle facts ... I tried that earlier with him .... he faints.

(I see you've never managed any facts yourself kentish ....)

[miltiades]

For every minute that you unlawfully hold land that is not yours ... and you have finally admitted is not yours ... then the term "thief" describes you very well.

The sum total of the state of affairs, is that the majority (GCs) have slaved and served for the material prosperity of one minority (TCs) ... In most other places this would have been grounds for a revolution!

this is way i love to login and read some the drivel written on this forum. i have to lift myself off the floor and stop laughing.morons write stuff in a way that they think is truly factual.if you lot uttered this rubbish in public to an audiance you would be locked up until you got your sanity back

I see another Plonker is back !

[kentish]

Facts? ... But I was debating with insan

He can't handle facts ... I tried that earlier with him .... he faints.

(I see you've never managed any facts yourself kentish ....)

when you say debate you must mean "debate" in the loosest terms possible

if you want facts , the fact is the reality of the cyprus position is fact.there are two seperate states whether you like it or not.it is fact that this happened because of the events on the island in the 60s and early 70s.
the fact is nothing is going to change because for change you need negotiation.the two sides do not negotiate because they both have what the other side wants and neither are prepared to give.
the politician that shows he is prepared to negotiate will be ousted at the earliest opportunity

ok oracle what are you prepared to give me to get what you want ?

as for you miltiades you irrelevant racist git ,sod off

[humanist]

go Mr Christofias, well done. If only the so called European relatives would have the bone to stand up ad support you and therefore all Cypriots ....

[Oracle]

Facts? ... But I was debating with insan

He can't handle facts ... I tried that earlier with him .... he faints.

(I see you've never managed any facts yourself kentish ....)

when you say debate you must mean "debate" in the loosest terms possible

if you want facts , the fact is the reality of the cyprus position is fact.there are two seperate states whether you like it or not.it is fact that this happened because of the events on the island in the 60s and early 70s.
the fact is nothing is going to change because for change you need negotiation.the two sides do not negotiate because they both have what the other side wants and neither are prepared to give.
the politician that shows he is prepared to negotiate will be ousted at the earliest opportunity

ok oracle what are you prepared to give me to get what you want ?

as for you miltiades you irrelevant racist git ,sod off

Surely the problem is your understanding of the term "fact".

So where is a temporary, illegal, unrecognised occupation, equated with a factual "state"?

The only facts are two communities. One major and indigenous; the other minor and recent. The major is the natural custodian of the island ... which the minor has stolen by invasion.

No one recognises anything else, other than the occupying force ... which does not make it a fact ... but a crime!

If what you say were facts ... we would not have the likes of VP pleading for recognition!

If what you say were facts ... we would not have Turkey begging ... for soooo long ... for EU consideration!

So the lies are that there are two states in Cyprus, and the facts are that there is an unrecognised illegally occupied section of Cyprus, for which the EU and Christofias has said, has to be cleared of invading Turkish troops, if the begging of Turkey is going to be rewarded, to allow it to eventually achieve its decades old goal, of EU membership.