Oracle wrote:insan wrote:miltiades wrote:Turkey must realize that the entire world can not be wrong in it's assessment of her presence in Cyprus as one of occupation. Her insistence in " continuing" as Babacan stated her role as a guarantor power is grotesque. She forfeited any right given to her under the Zurich agreements by not only invading her " protectorate" but by importing into Cyprus thousands upon thousands of her nationals with one and only one purpose .To change the demographics of the island of Cyprus. Gun boat diplomacy is not going to work this time around. Turkey will have to abide by the wishes of the International community , stop putting out rubbish that her creation the "trnc" is a separate state while at the same time proclaiming that she wants a solution.
Recognition of the occupied part will never happen , and here I appeal to my fellow Cypriots that we , the G/Cs and the T/Cs have much to thank America and Israel for , both nations have steadfastly refused to recognise the "trnc" as well of course as the rest of the world.
I emphasize the fact that America has declined much pressure from Turkey to recognise the "trnc" , should it had done so the rest of the world would have followed, make no mistake about that.
I'm replying only one aspect of ur post Miltiadis, when the then ruling elite of TC and Turks agreed that the ruling elite of GC-Hellenes would have never considered TC community as a "politically equal" partner so that they self-proclaimed TRNC. On the other hand u already know that before TRNC, there was Turkish Federated State of Cyprus. However it was meaningless to continue talks/negotiation under such a state name because there's no such actual Federated structure. It was just a hope. Through the decades of frustration of TC-Turkish side regarding especially the "political equality"; in 1983, TRNC self-proclaimed.
From the beginning of Brit rule till now, most of the TC-Turkish intelllectuals were/are all well aware that existence of a "politically equal" TC community in Cyprus is against the national interests of GC and Hellenes. A very tiny minority within 2 communities might feel themselves just Cypriots but the fact is overwhelming majority of 2 communities feel themselves either Greek or Turk. U can't change this fact by just saying let's all feel ourselves as Cypriot nation; neither u can force them to feel this...
If there is an overwhelming sense of one major community (Greek), that is because it is the
prevailing one from thousands of years.
The fact a recently introduced minor community is trying to
subvert the natural major community is a humanitarian crime. Doing so by bringing in 40,000 troops and imposing no-go areas to the major community is the illegal act of ethnic cleansing which is trying to destroy the age-old community of Cyprus.
.... And for Turkey to use this, unashamedly, as a blackmail to gain entry into the EU ... well the EU must be mad to open the door to such destructive parasites.
"It's not possible for Turkey to be accepted as a member of the union while continuing the occupation of Cyprus. It's very clear for the members of the European Union and for the commission," he said on Thursday. "No. The answer is one word," Christofias said, when asked by Reuters if he saw a possibility of Turkey joining the bloc as long as it maintained troops in Cyprus.
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detay ... &bolum=102Good work Mr. President
For overwhelming majority of TCs and Turks, Turkish troops in TRNC has never been considered as occupation army neither the TRNC as an occupied territory no matter how others consider it as this or that according to the international laws. Everyone(Except Enosisists/majority rule supporters) was highly hopeful for a just solution during the talks of 1967-74. Had the problem been solved in 1973 or earlier or afterwards of the events of 1974, 1975, 1977 etc.. there would have been only the agreed number of Turkish troops in Cyprus. Nevertheless, hopes lost for a while following the events of 1974. In 1974 the struggle between Enosis-Majority Rule supporters and Poitical equlaity-Taksim supporters had completed almost it's first century since it's begining, British Rule in Cyprus.
In the last 100 years, I believe that TCs, Brits, Turkey, US and UN did their best to build a consociational governance structure for 2 communities to coexist peacefully. However, for Ultra Nationalist Hellenes; a "politically equal" Turkish Cypriot community in Cyprus has always been considered as potentially harmful Turks opposing the national interests of Hellenes. I strongly believe that even the population ratio of TC-GC had been 50-50; there would still have been "national interest" clashes between 2 communities, due to Cyprus' strategical importance in the region.
Turkey and Greece, by being the 2 important allies of western alliance, Greece has always exerted to become more important than Turkey. Had Greece succedeed to take full control of Cyprus, most probably she would has become to a better position than Turkey in western alliance.
What if Turkey has been in EU too? Then i guess, most probaly the Turco-Greco relationships would have been far better than what it has been till now. We can comfortably say that a far better solution is possible when/if ever Turkey becomes a full member of EU. In such a situation, besides the better relationships between Turks and Hellenes; Turks, at least would have had an equal say in the larger consociational community; EU.
End of the problems? I don't think so. Before we see the day, I guess we still have one more WW to settle some old accounts.
